[kennethj]

Don't flame me to be at my first post here please I usually not speak a lot, unless I am really in trouble.

Last week I sent a 2600 euro wire to Perfect Money through the bank details they told me, the account 1T5X1K in Technocash. I thought it was serious as I have myself a Technocash account, but unfortunately not this amount inside, so I sent a wire from my bank. This was to fund my PM account 826639.

I sent the wire as "urgent" and my bank confirmed on Wednesday that the Technocash bank received it.

On friday as I didn't see any money in my PM account I contacted PM Support. Here is their reply:

Dear Kenneth,

Our bank account has recently changed, so please send your deposits using the following new bank details. If you have already sent the money to the bank account in New Zealand bank, then most likely it will return back to you and you will have to resend it once again. We greatly apologize for this inconvenience.

Intermediary bank: Wachovia Bank
Intermediary bank SWIFT: PNBPUS3NNYC
Intermediary bank ABA: 026005092
Intermediary bank address: 11 Penn Plaza, 4th Floor, N.Y., N.Y. 10001
Intermediary bank account number: 2000192006680

Beneficiary bank: Banco de Credito, S.A.
Beneficiary bank Address: 12 Calle 6-70, Guatemala City, Guatemala
Beneficiary name: Bolder Councelling Services, S.A.
Beneficiary account number: 601009242
Beneficiary address: av reforma 6-39, Guatemala City, Guatemala

We hope for your understanding.

Sincerely, Customer Support Manager.
Andrew Lionel


I am really shocked! So they "changed" their account, and my funds are somewhere and will be "MOST LIKELY" returned!

I asked Technocash and their reply was a bit different:

Dear sir

This account has been frozen for investigation upon request of some authorities and all funds are blocked.

We are sorry for this situation. Thank you for your patience in this matter.

Best Regards,

TECHNOCASH Support
www.technocash.com


So more than probably it will take a while before I get my money back IF it happens!

Moreover, the kind of reply of Perfect Money Support "Most likely you will get the funds back, anyway send them again now and here is our new account", is really not appreciated!

And a bank account in Guatemala? And what is this "Beneficiary name: Bolder Councelling Services, S.A." from Guatemala?

I am more than shocked and it is the first time as far as I know that Technocash blocks an account. It is a serious red flag for me, and I have immediately exchanged my small balance in PM for another e-currency.

Kenneth

[stopthewar]

This post is fake. The technocash answer is also fake. This user never had any balance with Perfect Money.

Post made by Intelsoft.

[kennethj]

Originally Posted by stopthewar

This post is fake. The technocash answer is also fake. This user never had any balance with Perfect Money.

Post made by Intelsoft.

What is this crap???

I have nothing to do with your ****ing wars here, the point is that I have for now lost 2600 euro!!!

the psychopath stopthewar should better stop saying such crap, and look at the 3 screenshots I made right now of my PM account.

http://www.filepanda.com/file/2y3htcv0znsu/
http://www.filepanda.com/file/u6qyuqlrfj1b/
http://www.filepanda.com/file/owoobye3lbgg/

Such reaction means that either there are more stupid than the average who open their mouth for any reason, or worse, that Perfect Money pays some people to attack those who get in trouble with their e-currency. This second option is the most probable, though I cannot imagine that 'stopthewar' to be clever, only his nickname means his IQ is as low as a chicken's IQ!

Perfect Money is in serious trouble and it is not by sending such guys to support them that they will get better! I am sure that some other people are in trouble here with Perfect Money, including probably some exchangers. Technocash account blocked means that many people will lose their funds at least for a long time. And having to open a bank account in Guatemala means a lot about the solidity of this "perfect e-currency"


Ken

[stopthewar]

Originally Posted by ecumoney

It is a serious red flag for me, and I have immediately exchanged my small balance in PM for another e-currency.

Right, it's your account. But You never had any funds here.

3754480 10/18/09 17:04:58 User Logout ---   64.46.39.237  
3754462 10/18/09 17:01:56 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3751274 10/18/09 8:17:27 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3745778 10/17/09 13:36:07 Mail Create --- Topic : Deposit. Your have an answer  194.30.129.72  
3744578 10/17/09 11:14:57 Deposit Create +3727.5 BankWire order, invoice #23437  64.46.39.237  
3744522 10/17/09 11:10:59 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Deposit  64.46.39.237  
3744466 10/17/09 11:07:32 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3710056 10/14/09 7:56:02 Deposit Create +2600.00 BankWire order, invoice #23143  64.46.39.237  
3709962 10/14/09 7:46:09 Deposit Delete --- BankWire order, invoice# 22442  64.46.39.237  
3709954 10/14/09 7:45:26 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3487277 09/18/09 12:15:14 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Transfer confirmation complete  194.8.74.247  
3485585 09/18/09 8:40:30 User Logout ---   216.224.124.124  
3485581 09/18/09 8:40:12 Deposit Create +2800.00 BankWire order, invoice #22442  216.224.124.124  
3485528 09/18/09 8:35:41 Security Disable --- Identity Check  216.224.124.124  
3485526 09/18/09 8:35:25 User Login --- Login IP : 216.224.124.124  216.224.124.124  
3485522 09/18/09 8:33:37 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485511 09/18/09 8:31:56 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485501 09/18/09 8:30:32 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485472 09/18/09 8:26:54 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  204.8.156.142  
3485458 09/18/09 8:25:31 User Login --- Login IP : 66.230.230.230  66.230.230.230  
3485453 09/18/09 8:24:26 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  66.230.230.230  
3485432 09/18/09 8:22:04 User Login --- Login IP : 85.214.73.63  85.214.73.63  
3485430 09/18/09 8:21:24 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  85.214.73.63  
3485389 09/18/09 8:17:57 Notification Create --- Notifications settings  83.91.86.29  
3485388 09/18/09 8:17:57 Security Create --- Identity Check  83.91.86.29  
3485387 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  G1300080  83.91.86.29  
3485386 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  U2564861  83.91.86.29  
3485385 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  E2857917  83.91.86.29  
3485384 09/18/09 8:17:56 User Create --- Member ID: 826639  83.91.86.29

You made 3 bank wire deposit requests.
According to technocash, you never didnt send any bank wire. Nice try!

You also have not any funds (and never had) in your other account 908535 (Lugano Capital SA):

Lugano Capital
Created 2009-09-27 18:39 PM
Last login 2009-10-13 17:02 PM
IP 64.46.39.237

Lugano Capital SA
Grand Cayman
Cayman Islands
KY1-1401
admin@lugano-capital.com
Lugano Capital SA
Financial Services

Intelsoft.biz (your domain) and Lugano-Capital.com (your domain too) are registered by one hand for sure.

I also forgot to say.. Lugano-Capital.com is hosted on the server of your privacy hosting company privacyhosting.biz , which also is part of ecumoney team

Domain Name: LUGANO-CAPITAL.COM
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS17.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: lugano-capital@Safe-mail.net

Domain Name: INTELSOFT.BIZ
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS4.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS13.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: intelsoft@safe-mail.net

This is my last post here. Clever people will understand.

[perfectmoneynews]

This Ken is intelsoft ??? But I thought that Intelsoft it is me, as I read earlier on talkgold! So I am cloned, Gosh!

So, stopthewar is perfectSCAMoney admin? And he posts here what is supposed to be logs of his scam service? Very good indeed After Trainex who posted ICQ logs, here is his clone perfectSCAMoney posting logs (or at least what he says to be logs). Funny! Please post my photo too!!!

ALL ASSERTIONS IN ALL POSTS have to be believed without evidence, BUT there is a FACT: PERFECTSCAMONEY CHANGES BANK ACCOUNTS EVERY WEEK, because ALL THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS GET IMMEDIATELY BLOCKED! TECHNOCASH account got blocked too some days ago, after the Belize, Seychelles, Panama, Cyprus bank accounts that were also frozen or closed by the banks.

PerfectSCAMoney is now hosted in Guatemala: Let's bet for how long!!!

About the intelsoft/lugano/privhosting/ecumoney/zoneedit/safemail similarities, well it is not my problem for now. I have myself also personal websites with DNS at ZoneEdit as I assume more or less a million domains! Anyway here is the tactics of PerfectSCAMoney: When FACTS are shown, the chief scammer comes, posts what he says to be logs on his server, and tries to attack somebody else. Usual tactic of criminals!

What is interesting indeed is that the perfectSCAMoney supposed admin did not deny that Technocash blocked their account! THIS is the fact!

And my question to this crook: Which country, after Guatemala? Don't worry, your bank has ALREADY received our material and it is just a matter of time they close your account. What will you tell to the poor guys who sent money there?

AS PROMISED SOME DAYS AGO A LARGE MASS MAILING IS BEING SENT CURRENTLY, CONTAINING THE PERSONAL DATA OF THE PERFECTSCAMONEY SCAMMERS! Links to scans of their passports are sent in the mailing! I don't post them here to not have my message deleted for privacy problem, but all will be soon in your emails

List of perfectSCAMoney companies,
List of perfectSCAmoney managers, scans of their passports, REAL addresses and phone numbers.
Links to scans of passports, photos of the scammers, and even a small video. Please accept the bad quality, it was taken with a mobile phone.
ENJOY!

People who have lost their funds will know where to ask them.

And now I sign: OBAMA!

After all, I am intelsoft, privhosting, lugano, why not Obama

PS. Ken, contact me in PM please with your email address.

[hyips-r-us]

Originally Posted by stopthewar

This is my last post here. Clever people will understand.

Pardon me, but I'm a little bit shocked at the moment...
Maybe I'm just not counting to the "clever people that should understand", but did you just publish PERFECTMONEY LOGFILES here? On a public forum? For everyone to see?

So, not just does that mean that you have a very intense connection to PerfectMoney authorities but also a very, very wicked sense of business practice! In NO CASE should any business reveal its client's data. What's next? Posting the IDs of your customers here as well?

I never saw that happen before, and in such an unprofessional and needless way, unbelievable... the log doesn't add any more credibility to the whole thread here, but just shows clearly that your sense of privacy got lost in your struggle against your personal nemesis in this forum, as every Don Quijote seems to need his windmills from time to time...

hope you take your last words serious, and this error/post was your last one...

[shield]

When PP are on the dead track, they do everything to let people know that they are still on Live track. But they still have little time frame to get in the grave bed.

[Redd]

Originally Posted by stopthewar

Right, it's your account. But You never had any funds here.

3754480 10/18/09 17:04:58 User Logout ---   64.46.39.237  
3754462 10/18/09 17:01:56 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3751274 10/18/09 8:17:27 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3745778 10/17/09 13:36:07 Mail Create --- Topic : Deposit. Your have an answer  194.30.129.72  
3744578 10/17/09 11:14:57 Deposit Create +3727.5 BankWire order, invoice #23437  64.46.39.237  
3744522 10/17/09 11:10:59 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Deposit  64.46.39.237  
3744466 10/17/09 11:07:32 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3710056 10/14/09 7:56:02 Deposit Create +2600.00 BankWire order, invoice #23143  64.46.39.237  
3709962 10/14/09 7:46:09 Deposit Delete --- BankWire order, invoice# 22442  64.46.39.237  
3709954 10/14/09 7:45:26 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3487277 09/18/09 12:15:14 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Transfer confirmation complete  194.8.74.247  
3485585 09/18/09 8:40:30 User Logout ---   216.224.124.124  
3485581 09/18/09 8:40:12 Deposit Create +2800.00 BankWire order, invoice #22442  216.224.124.124  
3485528 09/18/09 8:35:41 Security Disable --- Identity Check  216.224.124.124  
3485526 09/18/09 8:35:25 User Login --- Login IP : 216.224.124.124  216.224.124.124  
3485522 09/18/09 8:33:37 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485511 09/18/09 8:31:56 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485501 09/18/09 8:30:32 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485472 09/18/09 8:26:54 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  204.8.156.142  
3485458 09/18/09 8:25:31 User Login --- Login IP : 66.230.230.230  66.230.230.230  
3485453 09/18/09 8:24:26 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  66.230.230.230  
3485432 09/18/09 8:22:04 User Login --- Login IP : 85.214.73.63  85.214.73.63  
3485430 09/18/09 8:21:24 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  85.214.73.63  
3485389 09/18/09 8:17:57 Notification Create --- Notifications settings  83.91.86.29  
3485388 09/18/09 8:17:57 Security Create --- Identity Check  83.91.86.29  
3485387 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  G1300080  83.91.86.29  
3485386 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  U2564861  83.91.86.29  
3485385 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  E2857917  83.91.86.29  
3485384 09/18/09 8:17:56 User Create --- Member ID: 826639  83.91.86.29

You made 3 bank wire deposit requests.
According to technocash, you never didnt send any bank wire. Nice try!

You also have not any funds (and never had) in your other account 908535 (Lugano Capital SA):

Lugano Capital
Created 2009-09-27 18:39 PM
Last login 2009-10-13 17:02 PM
IP 64.46.39.237

Lugano Capital SA
Grand Cayman
Cayman Islands
KY1-1401
admin@lugano-capital.com
Lugano Capital SA
Financial Services

Intelsoft.biz (your domain) and Lugano-Capital.com (your domain too) are registered by one hand for sure.

I also forgot to say.. Lugano-Capital.com is hosted on the server of your privacy hosting company privacyhosting.biz , which also is part of ecumoney team

Domain Name: LUGANO-CAPITAL.COM
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS17.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: lugano-capital@Safe-mail.net

Domain Name: INTELSOFT.BIZ
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS4.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS13.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: intelsoft@safe-mail.net

This is my last post here. Clever people will understand.

That's a direct violation of user privacy. That user can easily sue you right now and you might lose any financial license (if you had any) due to improper handling of user information. Or that user can just show any bank you work with how you share people's information. That will result in losing more bank accounts.

[Patryn]

Originally Posted by Redd

That's a direct violation of user privacy.

Did you read the PerfectMoney TOS? It's a private company, and unless explicitly stated otherwise: Can do whatever it wishes with such information. Ever wonder where telemarketers found your phone number, for those of you who are not listed in the white pages?

[trile]

Originally Posted by stopthewar

Right, it's your account. But You never had any funds here.

3754480 10/18/09 17:04:58 User Logout ---   64.46.39.237  
3754462 10/18/09 17:01:56 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3751274 10/18/09 8:17:27 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3745778 10/17/09 13:36:07 Mail Create --- Topic : Deposit. Your have an answer  194.30.129.72  
3744578 10/17/09 11:14:57 Deposit Create +3727.5 BankWire order, invoice #23437  64.46.39.237  
3744522 10/17/09 11:10:59 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Deposit  64.46.39.237  
3744466 10/17/09 11:07:32 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3710056 10/14/09 7:56:02 Deposit Create +2600.00 BankWire order, invoice #23143  64.46.39.237  
3709962 10/14/09 7:46:09 Deposit Delete --- BankWire order, invoice# 22442  64.46.39.237  
3709954 10/14/09 7:45:26 User Login --- Login IP : 64.46.39.237  64.46.39.237  
3487277 09/18/09 12:15:14 Mail Create --- New Support Ticket: Transfer confirmation complete  194.8.74.247  
3485585 09/18/09 8:40:30 User Logout ---   216.224.124.124  
3485581 09/18/09 8:40:12 Deposit Create +2800.00 BankWire order, invoice #22442  216.224.124.124  
3485528 09/18/09 8:35:41 Security Disable --- Identity Check  216.224.124.124  
3485526 09/18/09 8:35:25 User Login --- Login IP : 216.224.124.124  216.224.124.124  
3485522 09/18/09 8:33:37 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485511 09/18/09 8:31:56 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485501 09/18/09 8:30:32 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  216.224.124.124  
3485472 09/18/09 8:26:54 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  204.8.156.142  
3485458 09/18/09 8:25:31 User Login --- Login IP : 66.230.230.230  66.230.230.230  
3485453 09/18/09 8:24:26 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  66.230.230.230  
3485432 09/18/09 8:22:04 User Login --- Login IP : 85.214.73.63  85.214.73.63  
3485430 09/18/09 8:21:24 Security Send --- Send PIN code. E-mail mail4swap@safe-mail.net  85.214.73.63  
3485389 09/18/09 8:17:57 Notification Create --- Notifications settings  83.91.86.29  
3485388 09/18/09 8:17:57 Security Create --- Identity Check  83.91.86.29  
3485387 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  G1300080  83.91.86.29  
3485386 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  U2564861  83.91.86.29  
3485385 09/18/09 8:17:56 Account Create ---  E2857917  83.91.86.29  
3485384 09/18/09 8:17:56 User Create --- Member ID: 826639  83.91.86.29

You made 3 bank wire deposit requests.
According to technocash, you never didnt send any bank wire. Nice try!

You also have not any funds (and never had) in your other account 908535 (Lugano Capital SA):

Lugano Capital
Created 2009-09-27 18:39 PM
Last login 2009-10-13 17:02 PM
IP 64.46.39.237

Lugano Capital SA
Grand Cayman
Cayman Islands
KY1-1401
admin@lugano-capital.com
Lugano Capital SA
Financial Services

Intelsoft.biz (your domain) and Lugano-Capital.com (your domain too) are registered by one hand for sure.

I also forgot to say.. Lugano-Capital.com is hosted on the server of your privacy hosting company privacyhosting.biz , which also is part of ecumoney team

Domain Name: LUGANO-CAPITAL.COM
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS17.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: lugano-capital@Safe-mail.net

Domain Name: INTELSOFT.BIZ
Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM
Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
Name Server: NS4.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server: NS13.ZONEEDIT.COM
E-Mail: intelsoft@safe-mail.net

This is my last post here. Clever people will understand.

Your ACTIONS give you AWAY!!!


WHY? Because Trainex always do the same like you. They show all private conversations, data, ips, all!! to everybody!

You are NOT professional. You are NOT a company with PRIVACY! You are giving confidential details to everybody! You, a company of Panamá and Switzerland. That's unbelievable!!

Trainex = Perfect Money... NO DOUBT!

And answer us a question please. How did kennethj have money in his/her account if you didn't accredited it with the money sent to your closed bank account?

Man you are a liar...

Originally Posted by Patryn

Did you read the PerfectMoney TOS? It's a private company, and unless explicitly stated otherwise: Can do whatever it wishes with such information. Ever wonder where telemarketers found your phone number, for those of you who are not listed in the white pages?

And you dude...do you know what is the code of practice?...You are going to be wrong like you were with RegalPay.