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Taxi_Driver
06-16-2006, 11:25 PM
The only way to have a chance in hell to acheive 70% would be to limit your amount of games go on a winning streak, quit, and then be **extremely lucky**.

Guess what by doing so a guy who hits 60% betting more games will make more money than you by playing more games, guaranteed. A guy who does 58% can easily make more money than someone hitting 62%. 62% is crazy hard to do betting a large amount of games.

Amatuers will tout percentage and not have a clue how to win in this business. I'm not trying to come off like a know it all but then again I do know it. They don't understand the basic basic basic key to winning over time.

We don't make money in this business with luck. Anyone who claims 70% is full of you know what and should be avoided like the *PLAGUE*.

The below is for your consideration, personally I can hit near 60% but that is very difficult and I am very good.


The most popular kind of bet is without a doubt, flat betting. Every Saturday night or every Monday night, an astronomic number of people place a bet on their favorite team. Soccer, Hockey, Football, on any sports. They just go for a 10$ bet or higher if they can afford to do it. They watch the game with some friends and they have a lot of fun. Sometime they win and sometime they lose. Over a year, they win half of their bets. Of course, they can make some little money over this period but not a lot of money. Like almost everybody they think that it is impossible to make a living at sports gambling especially using flat betting. Well, many people believe professional sports gamblers win almost all of their bets or at least 80% of their bets to make good money. It's understandable that people think that, but it's absolutely not true. The fact is, the difference between the percentage of bets won by professional sports gamblers and the percentage of bets won by chronic losers is relatively very small. We'll ignore money line bets here for the sake of clarity, and use only those bets wherein the player risks 107 to win 100. We?ll use point spreads and over/under bets. Against this type of bet, anyone at all can expect to win 50 percent. After all, the only thing required is to flip a coin and pick a side. The bookmakers' profit comes from the difference between what a bettor must risk and what a bettor expects to win.Every time a player wins, the bookmaker withholds slightly more than 6.5 percent of the winnings ($7 for every $100 risked). Consequently, a bettor winning only half his bets will ultimately go broke.


Professional sports gamblers, by comparison, rarely sustain a long term winning percentage higher than 57 or 58 percent, and it's often as low as 54 or 56 percent. People find that hard to believe, and they understandably get even more skeptical when told that, for a genuine professional sports gambler, a long term winning expectation of 60% or more is actually too high and a winning rate of 65% mathematically almost impossible to reach. I know that it sounds crazy at first, but as crazy as it may seem there is a simple explanation: If a bettor has five bets on a given day, risking $107 to win $100 on each bet, and wins three of them, that's a
25 great winning ratio of 60% and a net profit for the day of 86 dollars. (The bettor wins $300 and loses $214) If another bettor has fourteen bets on that same day, risking $107 to win $100 on each one, and wins eight of them, that's a much poorer winning percentage of only 57%, but almost twice as much profit for the day of $158 (The bettor wins $800 and loses $642).


The second bettor was not necessarily less skilled at picking winners than the first bettor. The second bettor may simply have chosen to apply all his advantages, including those which had less than a 60% chance of winning in the first place.
If the ultimate goal is to make money, it is obvious which of those two bettors was more successful. The real goal is, of course, to make money. The measure of success of a sports handicapper is not his percentage of winning bets, but the amount of profit he made over any given period of time. Although there are, indeed, propositions that offer more than a 60% expectation of winning, such propositions are relatively few and far between, and are only a very small part of the overall picture.


With the break-even point at about 51.8%, genuine professional sports gamblers know there is no tenable excuse to pass up propositions offering expectations of higher than, say, 55 percent. A small advantage applied over and over is awesomely effective. Mathematicians will confirm that a profit is more assured from a group of 200 bets with a 55% expectation-per-bet than from a group of 50 bets with a 60% expectation-per-bet. In other words, the more bets placed, the more predictable the outcome.


This is a fact of life of which pro sports gamblers must be familiar. It's a basic principle of math: the more bets you are able to place, the more likely it is that your winning percentage will be close to your expectations. A pro sports gambler must be more concerned with profit than with establishing a great winning percentage, and those two conditions are not always compatible. A real pro applies all his advantages as often as possible, not only the best of his advantages when they occasionally arise. The accompanying illustration (below) shows the results of different winning percentages over different numbers of bets. Standard vigorish charges of 4.55 percent are figured into the numbers. (The bookies' net commission is 4.55 percent of all risked funds. Notice in the illustration that winning 55% of 250 bets is more profitable than winning 65% of only 50 bets, - and remember that a profit is more 26 assured - that is, more dependable - because of the higher number of trials.


Now, let?s take a look at some numbers.
The regular Joe will place a bet one bet a week on his favorite team. The odds are at 1.93. This is of course against the spreads or for the total over/under.
Over a year, if he wins 55% of his bets, that would be 29 bets. If he bets $100 a game, he would end up the year with a clear profit of $397.
29 X 1.93 X $100 = $5597 - $5200 = $397


On the other hand, the pro sports gambler will bet as much as 20 games everyday. He will bet $100 a game.


Let?s take a look at the numbers if he has a winning rate of only 53%.
20 games X 365 days = 7300 bets
53% of 7300 bets = 3869 wins
3869 wins at odds 1.93 at $100 = $746,717
$746717 ? total wagered = $746,717 - $730,000 = $16,717
NET PROFIT = $16,717


After a couple of years, pro sports gamblers will bet over $5000 to $10,000 on each game. After a couple of years, a $1000 bettor will pocket over $167,000 a year in net profit. Pro sports gamblers tend to have a lot of bets compared to non-professionals. Note that winning 55% of 500 bets is actually more profitable than winning 65% of only 50 bets. More importantly, a bettor is more assured of achieving his expected win percentage over a larger total number of bets, and with more bets and smaller bet sizes, the 'ride' is much smoother, less risky, and more predictable. Generally speaking, non-professional sports gamblers go wrong by risking too much of their bankroll on individual bets. They don't spread their risk over enough bets. Professionals use smaller bet sizes in proportion to their bankroll over larger numbers of bets.


As a matter of fact, one good way to spot a non-pro is that he invariably has less than a half-dozen bets per week, and he risks more than 20 percent of his bankroll on each bet. Ideally, you must place 8-10 bets a day, and not risk more than 2.5% of the ?first block bankroll? per bet, in order not to exceed 25% of the net running total and to obtain optimal results.

Profit-Watcher
06-17-2006, 10:04 AM
Very good!

ng499
06-17-2006, 10:50 PM
I agree here - I believe the right approach is to make many small bets to diversify (just like investing) - spread the risk to bet another day.

Taxi_Driver
06-18-2006, 12:55 AM
I agree here - I believe the right approach is to make many small bets to diversify (just like investing) - spread the risk to bet another day.

Exactly, Let's say you and I start out with a 20K roll at the beginning of the year. You bet 2.5% of the bankroll ($500) and pick 55% winners playing more games than me for the year. I bet 10% of the bankroll ($2000) betting less games and hitting 64%, we may end up with around the same amount of winnings one year later.


But if you were to chart our production during the year you would see wild changes with huge volatility on my chart. Your chart would be very "smoothed" with few if any peaks and valleys.

The peaks are great and make for much exuberence (sometimes leading to bigger bets). The valleys, the drawdowns is where I could potentially blow up my 20k roll and be out of the game permanently.

It ain't hard to hit a cold spot of 2 - 12 over a one years period. That right there will blow you out betting 10% and i'm not even getting into ****'s that bet 20% or above.

Money management is more important than your system, as long as you can hit 55% over many games you are GOLDEN **YOU CANNO'T LOSE**.

But you are not GLAMOROUS which is what some folks seem to be striving for. There ain't no such thing, it is better to be a "blue collar worker" and try to collect your daily paycheck of smaller amounts.

spartak
06-18-2006, 02:53 PM
really really good but let me not agree with the thing that any pro bettor can bet on nearly 20 games a day.This is not impossible or maybe a few tipsters in the world can do that but everything else is 100% true.
good job

lordsirrah
06-18-2006, 07:10 PM
I believe you. 70% is not even possible. In fact to make return on that in the US is illegal! Don't do sports arbitrage if you live in the US. Email me at xxxxxxxxxxxxx and I'll show you what I do as a safe alternative to online sports betting.

knomo_7
06-19-2006, 02:18 AM
lol

razorconor
03-09-2008, 05:13 PM
The only good tipster i've come across is the soccer compiler system tipster,he has shown so far such a strike rate

nadalbg
03-09-2008, 06:46 PM
If you make around 20 bets a day 55% is very very good, its absolutely possible and all you have to do is bet on underdogs. Surprises happen very often, in fact I have seen days when more than 50% of the favourites lose.

lubo
03-10-2008, 05:36 PM
The only way to have a chance in hell to acheive 70% would be to limit your amount of games go on a winning streak, quit, and then be **extremely lucky**.

Guess what by doing so a guy who hits 60% betting more games will make more money than you by playing more games, guaranteed. A guy who does 58% can easily make more money than someone hitting 62%. 62% is crazy hard to do betting a large amount of games.

Amatuers will tout percentage and not have a clue how to win in this business. I'm not trying to come off like a know it all but then again I do know it. They don't understand the basic basic basic key to winning over time.

We don't make money in this business with luck. Anyone who claims 70% is full of you know what and should be avoided like the *PLAGUE*.

The below is for your consideration, personally I can hit near 60% but that is very difficult and I am very good.


The most popular kind of bet is without a doubt, flat betting. Every Saturday night or every Monday night, an astronomic number of people place a bet on their favorite team. Soccer, Hockey, Football, on any sports. They just go for a 10$ bet or higher if they can afford to do it. They watch the game with some friends and they have a lot of fun. Sometime they win and sometime they lose. Over a year, they win half of their bets. Of course, they can make some little money over this period but not a lot of money. Like almost everybody they think that it is impossible to make a living at sports gambling especially using flat betting. Well, many people believe professional sports gamblers win almost all of their bets or at least 80% of their bets to make good money. It's understandable that people think that, but it's absolutely not true. The fact is, the difference between the percentage of bets won by professional sports gamblers and the percentage of bets won by chronic losers is relatively very small. We'll ignore money line bets here for the sake of clarity, and use only those bets wherein the player risks 107 to win 100. We?ll use point spreads and over/under bets. Against this type of bet, anyone at all can expect to win 50 percent. After all, the only thing required is to flip a coin and pick a side. The bookmakers' profit comes from the difference between what a bettor must risk and what a bettor expects to win.Every time a player wins, the bookmaker withholds slightly more than 6.5 percent of the winnings ($7 for every $100 risked). Consequently, a bettor winning only half his bets will ultimately go broke.


Professional sports gamblers, by comparison, rarely sustain a long term winning percentage higher than 57 or 58 percent, and it's often as low as 54 or 56 percent. People find that hard to believe, and they understandably get even more skeptical when told that, for a genuine professional sports gambler, a long term winning expectation of 60% or more is actually too high and a winning rate of 65% mathematically almost impossible to reach. I know that it sounds crazy at first, but as crazy as it may seem there is a simple explanation: If a bettor has five bets on a given day, risking $107 to win $100 on each bet, and wins three of them, that's a
25 great winning ratio of 60% and a net profit for the day of 86 dollars. (The bettor wins $300 and loses $214) If another bettor has fourteen bets on that same day, risking $107 to win $100 on each one, and wins eight of them, that's a much poorer winning percentage of only 57%, but almost twice as much profit for the day of $158 (The bettor wins $800 and loses $642).


The second bettor was not necessarily less skilled at picking winners than the first bettor. The second bettor may simply have chosen to apply all his advantages, including those which had less than a 60% chance of winning in the first place.
If the ultimate goal is to make money, it is obvious which of those two bettors was more successful. The real goal is, of course, to make money. The measure of success of a sports handicapper is not his percentage of winning bets, but the amount of profit he made over any given period of time. Although there are, indeed, propositions that offer more than a 60% expectation of winning, such propositions are relatively few and far between, and are only a very small part of the overall picture.


With the break-even point at about 51.8%, genuine professional sports gamblers know there is no tenable excuse to pass up propositions offering expectations of higher than, say, 55 percent. A small advantage applied over and over is awesomely effective. Mathematicians will confirm that a profit is more assured from a group of 200 bets with a 55% expectation-per-bet than from a group of 50 bets with a 60% expectation-per-bet. In other words, the more bets placed, the more predictable the outcome.


This is a fact of life of which pro sports gamblers must be familiar. It's a basic principle of math: the more bets you are able to place, the more likely it is that your winning percentage will be close to your expectations. A pro sports gambler must be more concerned with profit than with establishing a great winning percentage, and those two conditions are not always compatible. A real pro applies all his advantages as often as possible, not only the best of his advantages when they occasionally arise. The accompanying illustration (below) shows the results of different winning percentages over different numbers of bets. Standard vigorish charges of 4.55 percent are figured into the numbers. (The bookies' net commission is 4.55 percent of all risked funds. Notice in the illustration that winning 55% of 250 bets is more profitable than winning 65% of only 50 bets, - and remember that a profit is more 26 assured - that is, more dependable - because of the higher number of trials.


Now, let?s take a look at some numbers.
The regular Joe will place a bet one bet a week on his favorite team. The odds are at 1.93. This is of course against the spreads or for the total over/under.
Over a year, if he wins 55% of his bets, that would be 29 bets. If he bets $100 a game, he would end up the year with a clear profit of $397.
29 X 1.93 X $100 = $5597 - $5200 = $397


On the other hand, the pro sports gambler will bet as much as 20 games everyday. He will bet $100 a game.


Let?s take a look at the numbers if he has a winning rate of only 53%.
20 games X 365 days = 7300 bets
53% of 7300 bets = 3869 wins
3869 wins at odds 1.93 at $100 = $746,717
$746717 ? total wagered = $746,717 - $730,000 = $16,717
NET PROFIT = $16,717


After a couple of years, pro sports gamblers will bet over $5000 to $10,000 on each game. After a couple of years, a $1000 bettor will pocket over $167,000 a year in net profit. Pro sports gamblers tend to have a lot of bets compared to non-professionals. Note that winning 55% of 500 bets is actually more profitable than winning 65% of only 50 bets. More importantly, a bettor is more assured of achieving his expected win percentage over a larger total number of bets, and with more bets and smaller bet sizes, the 'ride' is much smoother, less risky, and more predictable. Generally speaking, non-professional sports gamblers go wrong by risking too much of their bankroll on individual bets. They don't spread their risk over enough bets. Professionals use smaller bet sizes in proportion to their bankroll over larger numbers of bets.


As a matter of fact, one good way to spot a non-pro is that he invariably has less than a half-dozen bets per week, and he risks more than 20 percent of his bankroll on each bet. Ideally, you must place 8-10 bets a day, and not risk more than 2.5% of the ?first block bankroll? per bet, in order not to exceed 25% of the net running total and to obtain optimal results.
You've been reading too much Frank Belanger.Almost quoted word for word.
Anyway who's gonna bet 20 games /day @ $100 /game?
I have an NFL system which has averaged 61% over the last 3 years.
I also subscribe to a football tipster whose strike rate is 74%.Believe it or not,but it is a fact.

Dolphin2326
09-27-2008, 06:11 AM
Winning 70% of your picks is hard to do in the long run!

hailmareyclan
09-30-2008, 07:52 AM
ya but if you want to make profit non stop there is a way.

It is very hard to win in sports betting just by betting straight games following a capper. I have used many services that advertised anywhere from 58% to 80% success rate and they all have flunked big. They always fail. Most cappers are lucky enough if they can hit 54% in the long run.

I started making profit only after using Mrmartingale system from www.mrmartingale.com Simple system that you can read in that website for free. You can use this system with your picks or for more success use his picks for lot of profit. I have been using this system with his picks for a while and it has been awesome. Playing underdog in this system makes lot of profit. There is another big discussion about this forum in a major sports forum: http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=616685 This sports betting system is by far the best for making profit.

Even with a $2000 bankroll you can make good money with this system and picks. MOST PEOPLE BASH PROGRESSIVE SYSTEM BUT THIS IS BUILT IN A WAY TO WORK WITH UNDERDOG ODDS. This site is also in the approved list of talkgold thread for their picks.

mrstein
10-02-2008, 07:58 AM
HE SEEMS PRETTY PRICEY FOR HIS SERVICES ??????

What happens if he occurs 2 0r 3 6 game progression loses then what ???

okosh
10-02-2008, 08:46 AM
HE SEEMS PRETTY PRICEY FOR HIS SERVICES ??????

What happens if he occurs 2 0r 3 6 game progression loses then what ???

You'll lose your money :help1: ALL these systems are BS....NONE work :help1:

LOL...It's not like he didn't tell you this in his post :holiday:

ya but if you want to make profit non stop there is a way.

It is very hard to win in sports betting just by betting straight games following a capper. I have used many services that advertised anywhere from 58% to 80% success rate and they all have flunked big. They always fail. Most cappers are lucky enough if they can hit 54% in the long run.


I personally have a better that 60% success rate at sports betting....
For the month of September I made over $1200 per week profit....

If anyone wants to piggy back my bets and are stupid enough to want to pay for the info then pm me and I'll give you my LR# so you can make me richer...cough...I mean make deposit :holiday:

For those with a brain my mail is always free....Go the Hussler :help1: :woohoo:

nadalbg
10-03-2008, 10:45 AM
The only good system is picking winners :thumbs up
I agree with Okosh, paying for services is ridiculuos. There are many people that post free picks and they are if not better at least equal to the paying services. I personaly made some money from tennis before. Soon I will start again and I'll post my picks.

koks89
10-04-2008, 01:47 PM
I believe you. 70% is not even possible. In fact to make return on that in the US is illegal! Don't do sports arbitrage if you live in the US. Email me at xxxxxxxxxxxxx and I'll show you what I do as a safe alternative to online sports betting.

intoxicated
10-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Betting is very hard.... I'd rather play forex

okosh
10-06-2008, 12:46 PM
The only good system is picking winners :thumbs up

It's the only system that works :ro_emote_