My Mathematical Formula

[Lohnro]

Has any body got or heard of this system before??

[Dags]

I went and had a look at this site and it reads as follows

My Mathematical Formula - Is quite simply extraordinary in that for example: A sequence of just 5 selections with an original £50 stake at odds say of £1.50 - £1.40 - £1.40 - £1.70 - £1.80 will return, after the 5th. selection is placed, £1182.45 Very impressive !

The highest possible return you can can for a series of bets is to go all up on the next race so

50 x 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.7 x 1.8 = 449.82 does come close to the 1182.45 as claimed

thats just my perspective - Lohnro your tips have an excellent place strike rate - I bought a system in Aust a few years ago called "Fortune on Four" which is based on a 4 race place bet all up, starting a new series after every race so you have up to 4 series running at once.

[Lohnro]

I bought that one as well Dags quite a few years ago. It was a good idea for a beginer punter back then. It is funny how you try things,and at the first sign that they don't work they are shelved.......

I just don't know how that formula can possibly work as advertised?? (and I don't want to fork out the money to find out!)

[dtm]

I just don't know how that formula can possibly work as advertised?? (and I don't want to fork out the money to find out!)

To be honest, Lohnro, I don't know either how it can possibly work.

Though I have bought the system some time ago, and though I consider meself to be mathematically inclined, as he states you should be.

[wassem]

I went and had a look at this site and it reads as follows

My Mathematical Formula - Is quite simply extraordinary in that for example: A sequence of just 5 selections with an original £50 stake at odds say of £1.50 - £1.40 - £1.40 - £1.70 - £1.80 will return, after the 5th. selection is placed, £1182.45 Very impressive !

The highest possible return you can can for a series of bets is to go all up on the next race so

50 x 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.7 x 1.8 = 449.82 does come close to the 1182.45 as claimed

thats just my perspective - Lohnro your tips have an excellent place strike rate - I bought a system in Aust a few years ago called "Fortune on Four" which is based on a 4 race place bet all up, starting a new series after every race so you have up to 4 series running at once.

As an owner of the system, it IS possible to return 1182.45 from an initial $50 stake because the staking plan involves putting in a new stake after each successful bet, but retain a portion of the profit as a "safety vault". It's not simply a "rollover" staking plan.

The problem is of course you need to win at least 5 consecutive times for it to be worth the effort of the complex calculation, and the only way to consistently achieve that kind of strike rate is to bet on a hot favorite to place. But that way you wouldn't be able to get odds of say 1.8 or 2.0, its more like 1.2, in which case the staking plan is rendered completely useless, as your winnings would be too small, and if you lose, you'd lose MORE than your initial stake.

Not to mention its a horribly written book.

My advice: STAY AWAY FROM IT!

[Lohnro]

Thanks for the feedback.

[Redeagle]

Thanks for the input. Glad i found this thread. Was actually planning to invest in it. Cheers!

[PlaceBet1]

I'd like to make some comments about My Mathematical Formula as it appears this plan is not very well understood.

I'm quite qualified to make these comments as I wrote the book!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regarding different methods and publications and naturally I certainly go along with that but when I see comments made that are incorrect, these should be addressed.

quote* from DAGS: - The highest possible return you can can for a series of bets is to go all up on the next race so

50 x 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.4 x 1.7 x 1.8 = 449.82 does come close to the 1182.45 as claimed

To DAGS.

This is incorrect when discussing The Diabolical Staking Plan. Just because you do not understand the concept outline in My Mathematical Formula it does not mean the claims made are wrong. Quite the reverse. What is stated in writing is quite provable and understandable once you know what the plan is about and understand it! Your mathematics are correct under those circumstances but that has nothing to do with The Diabolical Staking Plan, only half the story has been told. The Diabolical Staking Plan is somewhat more advanced than simply accumulating your winnings.

DTM - You have purchased the plan and clearly don't understand what it's about - why not ask me? I would have explained any area that you did not understand.

Now, WASSEM has just declared that what I said is possible! BUT...

To WASSEM - quote* - As an owner of the system, it IS possible to return 1182.45 from an initial $50 stake because the staking plan involves putting in a new stake after each successful bet, but retain a portion of the profit as a "safety vault". It's not simply a "rollover" staking plan.

The problem is of course you need to win at least 5 consecutive times for it to be worth the effort of the complex calculation, and the only way to consistently achieve that kind of strike rate is to bet on a hot favorite to place. But that way you wouldn't be able to get odds of say 1.8 or 2.0, its more like 1.2, in which case the staking plan is rendered completely useless, as your winnings would be too small, and if you lose, you'd lose MORE than your initial stake.

"..You need to win at least 5 in a row ..."- first off, what is wrong with that? - You are NOT betting for a WIN - YOU ARE MAKING A PLACE ONLY BET, 1st, 2nd or 3rd. - This is not hard to do at all. Having 10 or 15 in a row is not so hard either. There are no complex calculations to make as you state, and the supplied spreadsheets makes working out your next bets ' a piece of cake'....actually you can make your selections in a few minutes if you listened to what is said and understand what has been written and then KNOW what you are doing.

Even with low odds of 1.20 the plan is NOT rendered "completely useless" as you state. Do some mathematics before you make these comments. On success, even with a small run of 5 correct, by the fifth race, work out what your odds will be, you will find that at this point on success your odds will be overall very much higher than that .

On an average, you will find that the odds for each race will work out to be at least 1.60 - It's no good to say, who is going to have this type of success, as this is happening all the time and runs of 10 to 15 are also happening all the time. Remember, your horse only need come 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

I will agree with one comment that this could have been explained a little better in the book, but that has been rectified since this post.

My suggestion to anyone reading these posts, or if you have purchased this book, before making unfounded comments on forums such as this. Try writing to the Author, me. I am always happy to answer anyone who has questions and will always answer in a timely and courteous manner.

[mucho69]

i have bought your book, big mistake, you need extremely high strike rate to make small profit, and if anyone has a losing streak at any one time, you will never be able to catch up.

[retodax]

nice

[PlaceBet1]

Hi Mucho69 - Thanks for your comments. It's quite clear you haven't under stood the plan at all. With My Mathematical Formula you will obtain about 80% strike rate for a Place Only Bet. How high a strike rate do you want? - 80% is proven average over many decades.

As you have purchased My Mathematical Formula, did you follow the rules when you made your selections? Did your selections actually qualify or did you perhaps rush things? - As with Mohammed Ali's e-book, which is very similar in the selection process, you simply can't have much less than an 80% strike rate. In his case he claims higher. My 80% is based on fact. Not only have I personally used this for decades, 1000's of races were analyzed all over the world spanning a 15 year period and 80% was the average. How can that be wrong?

That means 8 out of 10 of your selections are going to be right.

We all should know that EVERY PUNTER EVERYWHERE is going to have a losing streak, you can't get away from that. No System has or can be manufactured that will win all the time. Take any typical example you like....but what have you actually lost?

With My Mathematical Formula, you are never increasing your stake money, so, even if the results are similar to playing black or red with Roulette, you win a bit lose a bit, not winning much but not losing much either. When you DO hit a successful run, you have made a profit, whatever way you look at it. AND these successful runs are happening all the time.

How hard can it be following a basic set of rules to pick a horse from say 8, 9, or 10 runners that only needs to come 1st, 2nd or 3rd? - it isn't that hard and on success with a run, you must be in the money, simple mathematics dictates this. In Practice proves this.

I suggest you read The Diabolical Staking Plan again - as clearly it's not been understood. As I've mentioned many times in advertisements - you could have 50 straight losses, but on success, you have all that back. And you would have to be a pretty bad selector to have that many losses.

What does 50 losses mean? lets say your stake is $10. Ok, $10 and you lose 50 times in a row. You have LOST $500 ok that money has gone. We are not going to try and recoup this by usual methods, the money has gone.

Now lets say the next time you were successful on a run of 10 (happens all the time too) what have you got back? and lets take $1.70 as an average price. I know some bets will only be $1.20 but in a run like that you can also expect some will be $2.20 and this is so. PLUS it will pay to be selective with your selections and skip some choices if the price is too low. - But $1.70 is a fair average price. With this run you have risked a total of $100 and if successful you have won a total of $3,342.87 - you have regained your loss of $500 with plenty of profit on top, what's wrong with that?

[mucho69]

the odds you talk about are in reality 1.2-1.4, and you need 80% just to make profit, so if youre down $500 you would have to go on a massive strike rate, you have proven my point exactly, whats the point of a high strike rate when you need to win 3 or 4 in a row just to break even for one loss, been paper trading for a while and still down,

[Fairtrader]

The high sucess rate ratio versus the risk involved is not worth the investment.. imo

[PlaceBet1]

Hi Mucho69 - I appreciate your comments but do you ever actually read anything? - Straight above your post I just explained the average odds you are looking for and if you feel the price offered is too low, then simply move onto the next race offering better odds.

You then go onto to say and I quote "..... You need 80% just to make profit ..."

YOU GET AN 80% STRIKE RATE...AND ISN'T THIS ALL ABOUT PROFIT? - IT'S NOT A LOSS IT'S A PROFIT.

You make unfounded complaints about My Mathematical Formula, my methods & plans etc. because it seams you have not grasped what has been written. It seems you are one of the knockers that I mention in the book!

AND YET.....

On another post of yours, you come up with this fantastic plan betting on favorites, pretty much based on what I wrote in the book you purchased, mixed in with what Mohammed Ali also wrote about some 10 years after my book....and yet you are knocking the very same method. The only difference is it seems you are backing for the win and I also mentioned doing the same ...30 years ago! - The only thing I said back then and maintain today is: - Backing for a win instead of a place only bet, you will never get the consistency

Anyway, I'm not responding to these posts to upset you, what I would like to see is a better interpretation when my book is openly talked about in forums such as these. If one has complaints, fine...but be accurate with what you are complaining about and be precise with your mathematics. if I can improve on My Mathematical Formula due to constructive criticism, it will benefit everyone.

[PlaceBet1]

Final thought.

I do appreciate what has been said and welcome debate. I'd like to look at mucho69's actual example.

Let us say you did take the odds of $1.20 on all of the 10 races. (I personally wouldn't do that myself, not on the whole run, but I would accept those odds on a few of my choices) - But that's beside the point. I make sure my overall average price is about $1.70 or better.

But even so.....

You make your bets and take the $1.20 odds. On success you have still risked $100 and you have got back a total of $280.74 and that's a profit whether small or not. It's no good to say what happens if you lose half way through, that happens too, however you make your bets, but you also have to remember that these runs of 10 and more, quite often 15/16/17 and more are happening all of the time. No one has said you had to take such low odds, even when, after going through my selection process which is pretty much the same as Ali has written about except my selections are not always the favorite., BUT whatever selection process you use... No one is suggesting that because the horse has passed the various tests and filters that you have to go and put money on it. Use a bit of common sense!

PLUS.....

Whatever you guys are backing..WIN or PLACE and whether $1.20 or $10.40 if you lose..........you lose.

My plan is simple and a good way within a year to make quite a large some of money without too much risk.

You may have read this part before but still I'll write it again......and think about this statement....

"....Putting $3 on and winning (NOT Place Betting) but winning at 4-1 twice a week, and NOT HAVING ONE SINGLE LOSING BET will take 20 years to achieve a goal of $25,000. That is not having one loser in 20 years. nor spending a single cent of your winnings ..... and, 4 -1 is a really good price...."

My Mathematical Formula shows a quicker way to make far more.... Of course you have to be successful with your selections and that is covered, but, however you make your selections and however you bet, YOU STILL HAVE TO BE CONSTANT AND SUCCESSFUL.

I know I mention about having 50 losses in a row, but that was an example under certain conditions. Who have you ever known to be that bad a selector to have 50 straight losers. I don't know anyone, but I suppose it could happen.

level stakes will never make you rich. You might get a small profit each year if you are lucky. A percentage of a bank will never make you rich, still, slightly better than level stakes. You have to think outside the box and look at something different. Increase your stakes, then you'll go broke, but I'm sure most here are aware of these points.

Be a little more selective with your place selections, because what I have said is quite true, I've done this more times than I can remember and made it my life's work, because at the end of the day it works. It's paid for my mountain bike! believe me!...Quite a few others who followed this particular path have had similar success.

Who wants to wait 20 years to get that sort of money?... no one does, and My Mathematical Formula will, & does show you how.

Nothing is automatic, especially with horse racing, you have to use common sense and be professional to Be a professional.

Serious note, if you have questions and want an honest answer, then just ask, email me, I'm open and responsive. My email address is on my sites, you'll find it.

[nicobo78]

Good for rubish!

[dtm]

Hi mate,

sorry if my comments from last year were unjustified.

From you posts here it seems you are trustworthy, so it might well be that I have not understood totally how it works, and I will give it another go.

Just one question: What is the filename, so I can find it easier on my harddisk?

Thanks
dtm

[okosh]

anyone got a linkey to this "formula"....

as a rule all these "formulas" are BS....

and I'm talking from a math point of view not a punter...

Formulas for Roulette have also been worked on for years...
same with poker....
but they all scams and none work cos the numbers never add up...

As any numbers person will tell you, "the numbers never lie"
think about it!!!

[PlaceBet1]

Hi mate,

sorry if my comments from last year were unjustified.

From you posts here it seems you are trustworthy, so it might well be that I have not understood totally how it works, and I will give it another go.

Just one question: What is the filename, so I can find it easier on my harddisk?

Thanks
dtm


Hi DTM Investor. Please Private MSG me. as you have purchased b4 I will send you a copy of the newer version.

[wallym]

Hi dtm,

Just wondering if you able to have a closer look on this "formula". I'm been looking all over the net for the "best" staking plan and this kinda caught my attention. Just would like to ask someone who has experience on this one...

Would appreciate your inputs...Thanks!

Cheers,
Wally

p/s: I was suppose to PM you but I'm not qualified yet. Btw, I'm from Sydney as well...


Hi mate,

sorry if my comments from last year were unjustified.

From you posts here it seems you are trustworthy, so it might well be that I have not understood totally how it works, and I will give it another go.

Just one question: What is the filename, so I can find it easier on my harddisk?

Thanks
dtm

[leolllbornydgtr]

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[akadanny]

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Schicken Sie bitte Ihre Bewerbung an info@acglogistics.net
Verpiß Dich hier Du Arschloch. Hier unterhalten sich ernsthafte Wetter. und zwar auf Englisch.

Sorry folks to use that foreign language. Just needed to tell him we speak English and we are not interested in MLM.

[topbombing]

A sequence of just 5 selections with an original £50 stake at odds say of £1.50 - £1.40 - £1.40 - £1.70 - £1.80 will return, after the 5th. selection is placed, £1182.45 Very impressive !

So that's backing horses to place that are something like 6/1 or 7/1 or even higher to win and you are out to get 5 in a row to place. Pretty tall order!
At the quoted odds £1.50 - £1.40 - £1.40 - £1.70 - £1.80 that's equivalent to trying to back a 107.7/1 winner.

[MAZZA]

BOY am i glad i stumbled on this thread (plus others) the system you preach works OK but first it is your attitude (look at your threads) and your attitude towards people who purchase your program, you state you give a money back guarantee (joke you dont get one) there is a saying in selling "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" and boy as your time come!

Purchase this product if you like BUT dont trust this guy Malcolm MacLean (PlaceBet1 talkgold name) if you purchase it.

Plus, when have you ever managed to place a place bet at the bookies above £1000 because this guy thinks you can place a £20,000.00 place bet somewhere in this universe. DON’T be fooled by the big figures like I was, because they are real the system works IF all the bets placed come in BUT this guy SUCKS!!! NOT TO BE TRUSTED!

MAZZA









Hi Mucho69 - Thanks for your comments. It's quite clear you haven't under stood the plan at all. With My Mathematical Formula you will obtain about 80% strike rate for a Place Only Bet. How high a strike rate do you want? - 80% is proven average over many decades.

As you have purchased My Mathematical Formula, did you follow the rules when you made your selections? Did your selections actually qualify or did you perhaps rush things? - As with Mohammed Ali's e-book, which is very similar in the selection process, you simply can't have much less than an 80% strike rate. In his case he claims higher. My 80% is based on fact. Not only have I personally used this for decades, 1000's of races were analyzed all over the world spanning a 15 year period and 80% was the average. How can that be wrong?

That means 8 out of 10 of your selections are going to be right.

We all should know that EVERY PUNTER EVERYWHERE is going to have a losing streak, you can't get away from that. No System has or can be manufactured that will win all the time. Take any typical example you like....but what have you actually lost?

With My Mathematical Formula, you are never increasing your stake money, so, even if the results are similar to playing black or red with Roulette, you win a bit lose a bit, not winning much but not losing much either. When you DO hit a successful run, you have made a profit, whatever way you look at it. AND these successful runs are happening all the time.

How hard can it be following a basic set of rules to pick a horse from say 8, 9, or 10 runners that only needs to come 1st, 2nd or 3rd? - it isn't that hard and on success with a run, you must be in the money, simple mathematics dictates this. In Practice proves this.

I suggest you read The Diabolical Staking Plan again - as clearly it's not been understood. As I've mentioned many times in advertisements - you could have 50 straight losses, but on success, you have all that back. And you would have to be a pretty bad selector to have that many losses.

What does 50 losses mean? lets say your stake is $10. Ok, $10 and you lose 50 times in a row. You have LOST $500 ok that money has gone. We are not going to try and recoup this by usual methods, the money has gone.

Now lets say the next time you were successful on a run of 10 (happens all the time too) what have you got back? and lets take $1.70 as an average price. I know some bets will only be $1.20 but in a run like that you can also expect some will be $2.20 and this is so. PLUS it will pay to be selective with your selections and skip some choices if the price is too low. - But $1.70 is a fair average price. With this run you have risked a total of $100 and if successful you have won a total of $3,342.87 - you have regained your loss of $500 with plenty of profit on top, what's wrong with that?

[chucky1963]

please somebody have the spreadsheet of my mathematical formula ?? my file is corrupted and I had to destroy it,the system is not bad ,I prove it several times!! thanks chucky1963

[mrchisel]

i have the spreadsheet what have you got in return

[chucky1963]

ok could you please send the my mathematical formula spreadsheet to me to chucky63@speedy.com.ar
if you need something do not hesitata in ask me for,thanks again!!
chucky1963

[mrchisel]

charts sent

[sneak]

This system sounds interesting BUT... If it is so great why does "PlaceBet1" feel the need to sell it to others for cash ?? Surely if it was as profitable as he claims he would back his selections with massive stakes and live happily ever after without the need to defend his "Great" system on forums like this one...

Keep winning :P

[BookieSniper]

This system sounds interesting BUT... If it is so great why does "PlaceBet1" feel the need to sell it to others for cash ?? Surely if it was as profitable as he claims he would back his selections with massive stakes and live happily ever after without the need to defend his "Great" system on forums like this one...

Keep winning :P

You do make a good point. One is if you try to educate people and show them how they can make money on their own.

And then again there's that other road where you sell something that doesn't work.

[sneak]

What a good marketing ploy "BookieSniper" lol you guys never give up.

[kevspace]

You all have a fair point.
I bought the system too, but I do think it can work.

The only problem is, it is NOT EASY to get 8 or 10 winners in a row, even with place betting short priced favourites.

You allways find one hot favourite will let you down and the prices here in the UK for super hot favourites is very low. So as in the ebook "how to place bet on favourites for a living", it is not as easy as it seems.

To make it work you effectively you have to look for slightly higher priced horses, thus increasing the chance of your horse not being placed.

So far the best run I've managed is 5 wins on the spin, but all at ridiculously short prices, so the profit was quite minimal.

A good system in theory though.

[mrchisel]

i have tried to get a roll on the place but cant get past 5 without being let down

[bismoot]

have any one checke it before?

[jackthelad]

Hi, I would be interested in obtaining a copy of this system... I have a few to trade...

Please email me at... jacktlad28@hotmail.co.uk

[RSharpe]

Have been looking at this system and while the math sounds fair, I am a little concerned about the strike rate requirements. Does one HAVE to get 10 wins to complete a cycle? Can it be reduced to 5 wins to complete a cycle?

Cheers ...

[vinesltd]

so does this work actually?>

[Bettingbabe]

Nah this won't work, they are just trying to earn money.

[razorconor]

Yeah got this e-book and Mohammad Ali's how to place a bet on favorites for a living,I do think that both the systems work but it involves alot of work for
short odds.Something i personally don't like.

[PlaceBet1]

Hi All.,

I’d like to straighten out one point first up and this particularly applies to the posting by MAZZA

“…….BOY am i glad i stumbled on this thread (plus others) the system you preach works OK but first it is your attitude (look at your threads) and your attitude towards people who purchase your program, you state you give a money back guarantee (joke you dont get one) there is a saying in selling "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" and boy as your time come!..... and dont trust this guy…


Careful what you say on forums!!! ……Your first statement is: “…. the system you preach works OK….

Then you go onto to say the most ridiculous stuff……… If it works ok …. What’s you’re problem?

“…you state you give a money back guarantee (joke you dont get one) there is a saying in selling "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND" and boy as your time come!.....”


When ANYONE buys My Mathematical Formula from www.mymathematicalformula.com in fact no matter what product you purchase THERE IS ALWAYS A 60 DAY MONEY BACK WARRANTY.

This guarantee is out of the control of the publisher (vendor) - AND ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS REQUEST THE REFUND and will get it straight away… The publisher has NO say in the matter…in fact this rule alone causes no end of problems for publishers…

If you have a comment to make on a personal nature, then speak to me direct… I’m available…

As to the other personal defamatory comments, which are unfounded and untrue, I’ll leave it at that.

I’ve dealt with thousands of clients on the Internet over the years and I have always answered every question posed to me in a timely manner and in a personal way. Answering any questions about horse racing, whether to do with my publications or others.

All I ever see are comments about this product or that product saying this doesn’t work or that doesn’t work etc.

When My Mathematical Formula was first published (and long before the internet was ever heard of) – This book was published with a view to HELP punters NOT hinder their punting experience. Of course the book is for sale, what would you expect? – That I go out and print 50,000 copies and not expect a return for my work? This is not just an e-book but a registered physical publication that’s been around for over 30 years!!!..... Plus marketing and advertising does not come cheap…

The trouble is, most punters, DO NOT HAVE A PLAN of any kind – don’t have any will power to know when to stop betting – and generally blow whatever money they have right out the window……. (There are of course a few exceptions to that statement) but on the whole, that sums up the average punter….and they lose and lose and lose…. I’m sure you’ve all heard the quotes in percentage terms of losers, right?...

Plus if it wasn’t for the losers, there would be no money to win…so stop complaining…

Even when plans are presented, whether my book or Mohammad Ali's book or what ever…. Very few people put sound plans into practice through lack of any patience or understanding …and then simply criticize the products and make nasty comments all over the net, hardly fair…

ANYONE betting on horses is going to lose, the object of these publications (some of the publications anyway).. is to help turn that situation around… to show different ways to secure a profit, whether large or small, a profit is a profit and not a loss.

Someone here makes statements saying “…where can you place such bets etc…” Crikey. If you don’t know where or how to do that, you should be taking up another line of entertainment….

You people have at your hands some good works (publications) whether it be mine or others. Why not try to learn from these?

Anyone here – Tell me a better method than mine? Or Mohammed Ali’s? or others … ( No Don’t) … because all I will hear is to try this or try that… level stakes or percentage etc .etc. etc…. then that puts you in the same category doesn’t it? ……..

My book first went on the internet back in 1998 (ish) and first published in the late 70’s early 80’s .. Mine was the only book available at that time on the net… Now there is in excess of 70+ books ……

Every book on the market has taken little bits and pieces of MMF and made a new system out of it…. So, if my book is so wrong…then every other also is wrong…. Every conceivable method of staking and selecting is covered in My Mathematical Formula… so if I am so wrong, then you all are. Because one way or another, you all do what is already covered within the book…. Even Lay Betting, I told you that 25 years ago…. Just a different way of doing it to the likes of Betfair etc…..

For the most part these publications have been well researched, and in my case I’ve used this for over 30 years… don’t say to me it doesn’t work, you don’t even know me or anything about my life….

I don’t have to do this at all, or ever make my books available to anyone… but I still enjoy horse racing and it’s nice to keep in contact with clients and be involved with this business, If I didn’t like it, believe me I wouldn’t do it.

In fairness, it’s an open world and people can say what there views are but also be fair to us publishers, we put a lot of time, money and work into this and it’s mainly to help you.

I’ll put my money where my mouth is. Everyday (most days) I offer FREE selections for the UK and you can find these here www.macleanracing.com THIS IS FREE (and moderators don’t block the link! Seeing as you don’t block the other stuff…)

Let’s just see how I DO FAIR on a daily basis… and Would you have been able to do any better???? And perhaps you might also let me know YOUR staking methods on these selections…

www.macleanracing.com

Regards
PlaceBet1

[topbombing]

Your links should be blocked. Why should you be allowed to advertise your systems when nobody else can? As for giving FREE selections that's just to get people to go to your site then you hope they'll buy your system or one of the others you're selling as an affiliate. Most of those systems anyone can download for free if they know where to look on the net anyway.

[midasuk]

I would just like to add my opinion if I may. I purchased My Mathematical Formula nearly two years ago. I understood it well enough and could see how it could work, I just didn't have enough funds at the time to give it a proper go. Then around July last year (2007), it was the summer holidays and I had another detailed look, put £500 in a Betfair account and started properly.

Now I'm not going to tell you it was easy or that I made my fortune but I did see consistent profits. My first attempt (6 selections) failed at the third, the second failed at the fourth but the third attempt went all the way as did the next three. There have been losses along the way but the wins have always, without fail recopued them with profit on top. I have recently been able to secure better prices on occasion by betting on the in running place market, (I like that addition to Betfair).

I don't win every time and I sometimes get a bit frustrated at having a long wait in between bets, but all in all the profits do turn up regularly. Patience is the key I think, so perhaps it's not for everyone. I do, from time to time, supplement my horse picks with other sports picks such as tennis, baseball and football matches because at the end of the day it's about making a profit, wherever it may come from.

This system, in my opinion, is far from crap. If used properly and sensibly it will give you great rewards, but if you like to have more than one bet a day it's not for you.

Mark

[hughmarshall]

I've just stumbled across this link and I'm amazed at some of the responses. I've always loved a punt and read the MMF quite a few times and it took me quite a few times to understand it. I use the formula in several ways including sports betting and especially line betting. It is a truly amazing staking plan without increasing your bets. That's the important bit. Not increasing your bets!!!!!!! Also being able to win even if you lose the bet after 3 or 4 consecutive wins.

As for the person that said what bookie would take a bet of $20 000 for a place bet, They obviously haven't heard of betfair and UK racing where millions of dollars are traded in each race.

For the people that are a bit unsure about stringing many wins together to make a profit and don't see the point I do something a bit differently. Instead of doing 1 string of bets where if you lose the bet and you have to start again, I start off with 30 different strings so the 1st 30 bets are are all my first. If I win 25 of the first bets I still have 25 games in play to go to my second bets. If I win 20 of those second bets I I then have 20 bets to go onto the 3rd mine and so on. If you lose a bet that string finishes. Then you'll find it quite easy to get at least a few of those strings to get to 15/20 consecutive bets and a nice profit.

I can only give my experience with the system and it's great. Just put the time into understanding it.

Thankyou Mr Maclean!

[hughmarshall]

I purchased the program before the spreadsheet came out. Does anyone have this? If so Please forward to hugh.marshall@optusnet.com.au Will exchange programs

[alexaherself]

As for the person that said what bookie would take a bet of $20 000 for a place bet, They obviously haven't heard of betfair and UK racing where millions of dollars are traded in each race.

Not so. Betfair volumes might be millions of dollars for a Saturday race at Ascot or Epsom, but have a look at the volumes for a Monday meeting in Cartmel or Yarmouth.

Good luck trying to get $20 000 on for a place bet!! You won't manage anything like that even using Betfair, Betdaq and WBX all together as well as the tiny number of bookies who'll take substantial place-only bets.

It's just not a viable market. There isn't enough liquidity. When there is, for place bets, it's because "connections know something" and those are bets to avoid anyway, if you understand how the betting markets work.

People looking at place bet systems usually have little (if any) perception of how often "connections" will back the win and lay the place when the jockey's been told to try to win but if not winning to avoid getting placed at all cost. That's how "connections" lock in their profit. To pretend otherwise is just naive.

[kvvwebdesign]

hehe boy am i glad i found this thread,
nice reading here!

hehe..

PS: i like the different signatures for bookiesniper.com, betpointer.com , ..
I think they are all scammers looking for a quick buck!

[okosh]

hi all

I think there is no mathematical formula.bu watch properly and then bet the game.

The ONLY formula that works is picking winners ;)

[superbadglenn]

Hey guys I am new to all of this and have wondered about this mathematical formula, has anyone used it successfully?

I have a few systems so if you would like to swap then just email at superbadglenn@gmail.com

Or if anyone has used it successfully then please share your experience and let me know.

Thanks again