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TheBloke
12-04-2006, 07:11 PM
I've read a few posts here where people are talking about roulette systems, or baccarat systems, and other casino betting systems.

I've replied to a couple of those posts, but I thought I'd make a general post too.

THESE SYSTEMS ARE SCAMS.
THEY DO NOT WORK.
YOU ARE WASTING YOUR MONEY.

Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true. For a much more detailed explanation, read these two articles:
http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/bettingsystems.html
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/One_Million_Roulette_Experts.htm

The first, by The Wizard of Odds, is a mathematical explanation of why no betting system can ever work. The basic premise is simple - casino games are designed to incorporate a mathematical advantage to the house. This is how the casino makes their money. These odds cannot be overturned by any progressive betting or sequencing, and assuming the game is sufficiently random, it is not possible to 'predict' the result of any game.

For online casino play, this is absolutely always the case. Casinos use industry-grade random number generators that are just about as random as it is possible to be, and it is simply not possible to predict the results of them using any method available to a casino player.

For real live casino play, there are ways to beat the house. In blackjack, one can count cards. With roulette, it is sometimes possible to identify a biased wheel which is more likely to throw up certain numbers than others. Also with roulettte, it is possible to track the path of the ball around the wheel using a sophisticated computer and camera system, and predict roughly where it will land.

But neither of those methods is easy. For blackjack card counting, you will need to spend many hours (perhaps hundreds) learning and perfecting your methods before you will get even a fractional percentage of an edge. With roulette, you will now find it almost impossible to identify a biased wheel because the casinos are themselves constantly monitoring the wheels and will replace any that are faulty before you even notice. And as for the ball-path prediction method; well, don't even think about that unless you have a PHD or two, and also don't mind risking sneaking some custom-made computer hardware into the casino.

The second article I posted above is by Arnold Synder, who is known as the 'Bishop of Blackjack'. He has developed many successful blackjack card counting methods, and is regarded as one of, if not the leading expert on blackjack today. The article I've linked to explains, in basic mathematical terms, how these betting systems can - quite truthfully - claim to have made some people rich. As a very quick summary - if 1 million people use your fake roulette system, it's highly likely that at least a handful of them will get really rich using it. But the point is, the chances of them getting rich are exactly the same, whether they use a system or not.

So if you're thinking about spending your money on a casino system, read those two articles, then think "does this look too good to be true?" Because it is.

TheBloke
12-04-2006, 07:17 PM
By the way, I should add that there are two groups of people who will always make money from 'beat the casino' systems. These are:
1. The people who sell them
2. The casinos

Casinos love them because they know they don't work, and because they bring extra customers to the tables.

Why else do you think land-based casinos provide sheets of paper and pens for roulette players to write down and analyse all the previous spins? Because the casinos know it doesn't matter in the slightest, but it makes the gamblers happier and makes them bet (and lose) more money.

TheBloke
12-04-2006, 07:40 PM
Another point I should mention.

If you had a working betting system, why would you sell it?

If you discovered a gold mine, would you sell a map to the location? Or would you just take all the money you could yourself?

If these betting systems really worked, there would be absolutely no justification in ever selling them. Even if you could sell 1000 copies at $400 each (which of course you never would be able to), that's still less money than you could make yourself personally using it.