Over 60% Winners Guaranteed.. Its really True..

[haylife]

Hey guys! A few weeks ago I started a thread in here asking people to join my group to buy picks at www.atsbets.com After I got 3 people interested, we monitored their site for a few weeks and found out that www.atsbets.com is a Big Time Scam.. It might seem like they post their plays daily but the results are not real... If they have a losing day they will say the pick won and hope nobody notices it. And a few weeks later they post the opposite in their site that will make it look like they won.. Anyways Im glad the guy from my group caught them doing this because we were going to lose alot of money on their worthless $20.00 per game plays... I have 1 advice to you guys. Do not trust any handicapper online because they are all about taking your money.They dont care if you win or lose. I know this because nobody on their site monitors their daily plays andwho is 100% honest about it..Good Honest Capppers do not need to start a web site to make money. They are already making money by betting for themselves and making killer money from their sportsbooks.

In the last few months I have been searching for a good honest capper online and I was not successful. I did however find a good capper here in my city of Los Angeles... He does this full time.. Wagering on Sports is his life. He is a Multi Millionaire and made his living from wagering on sports and Real Estate.

He does charge a nice amount to people that want to play his picks.. $1000.00 a month to be percise. However a guy I know is sending them to me for free. He has bought his package for the month. This is how the picks get sent to me..

That capper makes his decision and has someone working for him that emails or texts the plays to his subscribers. Sometimes he has a late information game that starts 15 to 30 minutes before game time..

As soon as that game gets emailed or texted to a phone, the guy I know immediately calls me and tells me what the play is and then its my choice what I want to do with them..

I have decided to post the plays in here before gametime.. If you want these picks sent to you please email me at penlighter4you@yahoo.com and I can add you to my mailing list. The email will be sent to you 5 minutes after I place the bet myself. I am not charging anyone for this.. You dont even have to play these games. Just monitor the plays and see how they do.. I already know these plays are hitting at a very high 60-65% range or more. No Joke! I just hope that guy that caps these games doesnt see this forum because I will get burned big time.

He has a very nice Money Management System which I dont want to say on the forum because I dont think many people do this and it will be obvious that these are in fact his picks and system...

Anyways.. I wanna keep a low profile in this site and I will just post which team to bet on without including any spreads or Money Management Systems.. If I email these picks it will be different. I can tell you exactly what the spread is and what units need to be followed to guarantee a bigger profit. I am so excited about this. Last week he had a 9-0 day which shocked the hell out of me. Anyways Keep your eye in this forum and I will post the plays in here on Thursday 10 minutes before game start.

If you want the games sooner, please let me know so I can add you to my emai list and email them to you!

Take Care guys and remember dont get fooled by the dishonest scamdicappers on 99% of the sites..

My email address again is penlighter4you@yahoo.com

[Aznboi]

I'd like to also add that I tried to post a review about atsbets on handicapping police and they wouldn't allow it, i'm thinking they're a bunch of service in a huge scam ring..

http://www.handicappingpolice.com/

http://www.handicappingreviews.com/

Both are scams..

[Aznboi]

Haylife, thanks for sending out picks, i'm not going to put any money on them yet, but i'll definitely track them..

[nyot168]

how about MaxBetSoccer.com do u know this site ???

[Aznboi]

One more thing about ATSbets, i didn't check on them closely until i asked TravisBickle if he knew anything about them.. It all makes sense about the record padding..

You see, each capper have 10+ picks selling each night, i doubt all the picks would be bought, and if the picks that were bought losses, ATSbets could just count the picks no one bought as wins to keep their cappers at a 60% winrate..

Luckily we caught an error on their part when they posted a LOST on their daily record update and a WIN on the overall record with the opposite pick for Red Hansen..

[TravisBickle]

You guys crack me up with your tailing of the BBD. Someone PM'ed me three weeks ago about what I thought about atswins, I should have made my reply public as it went on 11/17 --


I would stay away from them, I would need to look at them more but their webpage has all the obvious signs of scammers. You get sensitive to these things after a while.

Words like "Exclusive", "legitimate", "world class" are trademarks of scammers. Very very bad words to read on a webpage, true cappers with real customers NEVER use those words front and center. Also using ATS in the URL -- that is like putting HYIP in a HYIP URL. Bad.

I am not saying they are 100% scamming but definitely over hyping and probably padding records.

The trick they use is to pad over 365, that way when they lose over a shorter period they do not pad because they are going to get flushed out of customers anyways. Those customers monitoring shortterm records will go away and then they step in with the pad to make them look good long term.


The evil trick is some poor guy stays in longer on a losing streak believing the padded long term record. That is an old trick.
For the money they charge, there are better choices out there.

I know for a fact the records (which are only mid-term) on www.biggreenmachine.net are correct (who will cover). The free selections there are solid, you have to watch and learn how to pick them though as sometimes cappers will go opposite on games. But they cost nothing.

It looks like atsbets is trying to copy that model (multiple handicappers all touted on a site).

[Aznboi]

Yup, i was the one who msged you about atsbets, we haven't paid them for any picks, just monitor them everyday..

[Aznboi]

You guys crack me up with your tailing of the BBD.

Hey TravisBickle, i'd also like to thank you for warning me.. But what's BBD?

[TravisBickle]

Hey TravisBickle, i'd also like to thank you for warning me.. But what's BBD?

Bigger Better Deal.

[TravisBickle]

Hey TravisBickle, i'd also like to thank you for warning me.. But what's BBD?

I don't presume to tell anyone what we all should all know.

Haylife is a SCAM.

Definite SCAM so save your $$$.

[inversionist]

Hi, i can guarantee Haylife is not a scam, hes a very honest person, and im glad i found him.I joined his mailing list already, and the help i ve got from him have been incredible. I will be following these picks ,and i know we will make profit from these picks.

[haylife]

I don't presume to tell anyone what we all should all know.

Haylife is a SCAM.

Definite SCAM so save your $$$.



I'm a scam? Excuse me? How would I be a scam? Im just an average guy trying to invest in sports wagering and at the same time trying to help you guys out...You think Im making this stuff up? Who is this clown? Im not even charging anyone... Sorry for trying to help. Wilson.. Can you believe he called me a scam? HA HA HA! That website youre promoting is a scam... They got a bunch of idiots in there that barely make a living making money from ignorant people like you. Go get their free pick... Its as good as a coin toss. www.biggreenmachine.net Dont tell me i'm a scam.. I dont promote any websites like you do..

Anyways, i'll be sending these plays out to whoevers in my mailing list. It will be around 3:30-4:00pm Pacific Time... Lets prove Mr Travis who the real scam is... :thumbs up

[Aznboi]

I can actually prove haylife is not a scam too, i've been talking with him a few weeks now, and money was never brought up, all we're trying to do is look for a legit service or find ways to make consistent money in sportsgambling..

He's sending us picks for a month starting yesterday, there's really nothing to lose.. I'm currently taking some time off from sportsbetting, but i will still track the picks..

[haylife]

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ok here are some of Thursdays Plays
cleveland ats nfl
phoenix/nj over 51.5 1st quarter
detroit ATS NBA
detroit Moneyline NBA
Austin Peay ATS NCAAB
Miami Ohio ATS NCAAB

[haylife]

la kings

[haylife]

notre dame Moneyline
Long Beach St ATS

[haylife]

Well guys.. 4-5 on the night...
All 3 NBA games were a winner.
3 College Hoop losses all by an average of 2 points... WoW. I had Long Beach at -7.. They were up by 15 points with 2 minutes left and Pepperdine comes back and lost by 5.. That was unbelievable.. Anyways I hope I get better results tomorrow.. I have about 20 of you in my mailing list already. Keep an eye on the plays and remember if you want to join the mailing list email me at penlighter4you@yahoo.com
Thanks!

[iluvabet]

Saying 60% winners is absolutely meaningless without giving the average price of the wins. At 60% the price needs to be over 0.7/1 before you start to make money.

As for paying someone $1000 a MONTH for tips. Jeeeeeez.

[raymondyanglu]

It s pretty hard to hit 60%.

[haylife]

Well the beauty of it is I didnt pay the $1000 Im not crazy.. I only have a $2000 bankroll right now. Paying $1000 by myself would be retarded..I agree.. It is pretty hard to hit 60% Lets just see how close to 60% these picks will be for the next 3 weeks or so..

Oh and by the way I am doing this one NBA system that is winning 99.2% of the time. I just strted it last week and the system is 2-0 so far. People in my mailing list already know about this..

[haylife]

Fridays Plays
Denver ATS NBA
New Orleans ATS NBA
New Orleans Moneyline NBA
Orlando ATS NBA
Iowa ATS NCAAB

[Chris24]

I mean it doesn't hurt to try but as for the picks, how is your capper's performance with other sports other than NBA? 60% is a hard percentage to hit, I mean I as well have a capper who hit 11-0! no problem and then turned around and hit 9-0! I can prove it with no problem! If anyone who is looking to hit parlays like taking candy away from a baby email me at cburna24@hotmail.com. He has a website and his prices/packages are affordable but I will charge a upfront fee as a referral. (P.S. he is also a forex trader and is currently trading for me at forex.com so far he has doubled my intial investment which was $930.00 please if anyone who is looking for a great opportunity this guy is the one to talk too.)

[haylife]

You want a referral fee? LOL.... Nobody is going to pay you anything so youre wasting your time.. Why dont you give me his web site for free? After all I did add you to my mailing list.... I will see for myself how his picks are and then refer people to them from my group.. I dont want anyone and I mean anyone to get scammed in here.. i have been svammed way to many times in my life and im going to put a stop to it as much as i can

Changing the subject.. The plays went 2-3 on Friday but still made me a very small profit because of the money management.....Look for some solid NCAAB and NFL picks for this weekend... Im confident it will make us some money... Keep an eye on these plays..Take Care,,, Rememberif you want to get added to the list, plaease email me at penlighter4you@aol.com Everyne from my email list will get an NBA system play that is hitting at 282-3 in 5 years... I'm Out

[haylife]

Sorry! That was a misprint! The record is 282-2

[TravisBickle]

plays went 2-3 on Friday but still made me a very small profit because of the money management.....

Haylife how did you accomplish a profit off a 2-3 day using money management controls?

[haylife]

Saturdays plays,,
LA Clippers ATS
Wichita St ATS
Murray St ATS
Purue ATS
Buffalo ATS
ATS=against the spread

Hey Travis:
If you were in my mailing list you would know how.. But since I'm a "Scam" i went 0-3 and still made a profit .... HAHAHAHAHA
You still doubting me Travis?

Anyways GL on the games...

[haylife]

Sorry another misprint..... Its penlighter4you@yahoo.com i had aol by accident..

[TravisBickle]

i went 0-3 and still made a profit ...

I wish I had your master strategy , unfortunately for me I have to win games to make a profit. You are a true masterpiece. A renaissance man.

[TravisBickle]

Saturdays plays,,
LA Clippers ATS
Wichita St ATS
Murray St ATS
Purue ATS
Buffalo ATS
ATS=against the spread

Hey Travis:
If you were in my mailing list you would know how..

I would rather eat a bowl of rat poisen soup

[TravisBickle]

You still doubting me Travis?

Anyways GL on the games...



Yes.





Good luck.

[haylife]

Adding NHL
Game 6 Tampa Bay +115
Game 7 San Jose -1.5 +155
Game 8 Florida Panthers +155
Game 9 Boston Bruins -130
Game 10 Pittsburgh Penguins +180
Game 11Columbus Blue Jackets -120
Game 12 Colorado Avalanche -130
Great Day so far... Take Care

[haylife]

Recap 8-5 on the day. I made a nice profit and hope you guys did as well...
College Hoops went 4-0 NBA 1-1 NHL 3-4 Still made a huge profit with the Money Management System..

Some of Sundays plays are
NFL
Jacksonville ats
houston ats
arizona ats
will post more later..

[raymondyanglu]

Recap 8-5 on the day. I made a nice profit and hope you guys did as well...
College Hoops went 4-0 NBA 1-1 NHL 3-4 Still made a huge profit with the Money Management System..

Some of Sundays plays are
NFL
Jacksonville ats
houston ats
arizona ats
will post more later..
Hello Haylife, I think you got 1-0 for nba, coz you only had clipper today. Thanks for posting you picks.

[haylife]

oh then i guess i forgot to add the nuggets... my mistake... I have so much going sometimes i dont remember what to do...im pretty sure i sent that to the people on my list.. Once again if you want to be added send me email at penlighter4you@yahoo.com

[haylife]

Tampa Bay ats
Green Bay ats
Sandiego ats
Miami ats
NO/Dal Under
Balt/KC Over 37
BAlt/Kc Over & Kc -3 2 team parlay

[haylife]

Adding
NY Jets ATS
Charlotte ATS

[haylife]

Adding Dallas ATS

[haylife]

Recap.. 5-8 on Sunday..
Mondays games
Utah ATS
Cleveland ATS
Pho/Orl over 53.5 in 1st quarter
NHL pitts/wash over 6 5

[format]

I don't presume to tell anyone what we all should all know.

Haylife is a SCAM.

Definite SCAM so save your $$$.

Haylife is a SCAM?are you sure?

[Chris24]

You want a referral fee? LOL.... Nobody is going to pay you anything so youre wasting your time.. Why dont you give me his web site for free? After all I did add you to my mailing list.... I will see for myself how his picks are and then refer people to them from my group.. I dont want anyone and I mean anyone to get scammed in here.. i have been svammed way to many times in my life and im going to put a stop to it as much as i can

Changing the subject.. The plays went 2-3 on Friday but still made me a very small profit because of the money management.....Look for some solid NCAAB and NFL picks for this weekend... Im confident it will make us some money... Keep an eye on these plays..Take Care,,, Rememberif you want to get added to the list, plaease email me at penlighter4you@aol.com Everyne from my email list will get an NBA system play that is hitting at 282-3 in 5 years... I'm Out

Sure please visit his site www.gotogaryspicks.com he charges $5.00 a game I mean that is CHEAP! he has hit parlays for me back to back for the past 2 months. (I have proof from my bodog account.) Listen I have made a great bankroll od $1,500 inless than 2 weeks just by using his picks! ITS NOT A SCAM! if it was why would he charge less that an ordinary capper? I'm not down playing you haylife but just try out his picks visit his site.

[vietviet]

haylife has scam written all over it. i hope the supermods look into his ip address and other users.

nba system that hits 282-2 :lolol:

he is collecting email addresses only to spam you and ask money later. he is also running services under different emails...once he gets your email he will contact you from the other emails...and you will wonder..hmm how did thsi guy get my email :online2lo

scam alert! :*****:

[haylife]

what a dumb ass... i only use my aol address because i am limitted to sending emails from penlighter4you@yahoo.com The NBA system pick i send out for free as well.. So how is this a scam stupid?

Anyways..3 games so far
NY Rangers -.5 in regulation
Detroit Red Wings -.5 in regulation
and GS/sac over the total

[TravisBickle]

Haylife is a SCAM?are you sure?


As you can see Haylife is here on a frantic mission pumping the thread and making sure that you get all those winners. Making sure to get you on his private winners list so he can provide you with more winners (offline of course).

How could that be a scam now then?


Format no offense but if you cannot see this for what it is then you need to be thinking along the lines of -- :helpsmili


You'll learn if you hang around long enough though.



Good luck to you.

[haylife]

i dont have a private winners list you reject. You been fooled so many times you just cant trust anyone anymore.. I know how that feels.. What matters is that im winning and helping others win.. COngrats to whoever cashed in again on the great NBA System play.

[TravisBickle]

i dont have a private winners list you reject. You been fooled so many times you just cant trust anyone anymore.. I know how that feels.. What matters is that im winning and helping others win.. COngrats to whoever cashed in again on the great NBA System play.


There's a sucker born every minute, ehh Haylife?

[haylife]

travis bickle is the biggest sucker...

todays plays are
den/wash over
den/wash 1st quarter
den/wash 1st half
dallas ats

nhl atlanta thrashers ml
pittsburgh -1.5

GL

[Aznboi]

Hey haylife, maybe you should consider updating overall record? and how much profits made or lost..

Just a suggestion..

[Aznboi]

He's giving out free picks for a month, let's see how the picks do before judging haylife..

[jw5470]

Hey haylife, maybe you should consider updating overall record? and how much profits made or lost..

Just a suggestion..


Yes after 1 - 5 night please keep accurate.


GL on your plays though!

[haylife]

golden state -4
sanfrancisco +10

[haylife]

ncaab dec 16th
virginia commonwealth ats
georgia ats
fresno st ats
bradley ats

[acc3000]

Hehe make some sportarbitrages instead... we never lose..

[haylife]

who the helll was this acc3000 joker?
adding dallas ml in nfl
and ********** ats nba

[haylife]

who the helll was this acc3000 joker?
adding dallas ml in nfl
and ********** ats nba

[haylife]

********** ats sorry

[haylife]

what the hell is up with the stars... im typing sacramnto and it shows stars.. lets try kings in the nba ats.

[haylife]

adding den/ny over 1st quarter
nhl tampa bay -.5 regulation time

[haylife]

adding minesota ats
sac/pho over 217
sac/pho over 1st half
sac/pho over 1st quarter

[TravisBickle]

what the hell is up with the stars... im typing sacramnto and it shows stars.. lets try kings in the nba ats.


You really aren't too bright are you? The stars are because you are using the word 'sacrament' not 'sacrament_o', an obvious bug in talkgolds filtering database.

Although as Sacrament refers to a Christian rite that mediates divine grace—a holy Mystery, maybe it is best you don't use it in your wonderful picks.

[acc3000]

adding minesota ats
sac/pho over 217
sac/pho over 1st half
sac/pho over 1st quarter

Haha...find some other place to provide your scams..

[jw5470]

Wow another horrible day. All the NBA picks lost, only the easy money line ncaa favorites win. :(

Maybe it will turn around. I played two ncaa.



but why are no records??

[cheffe2]

Haha...find some other place to provide your scams..

your are funny. You say haylife is a scammer,if he loses some of his bets,that he gives for free,but you advertise for hyip programs that pay 2,5% interest a day.

2,5% interest a day can noone never ever guarantee you everyday! :mad3:

[haylife]

Guys!!! This guy just went on a terrible run.. I got so pissed.. He was hitting at 70% in the previous month. I guess he had to have some losers. Anyways. Im not goint to tail this guy anymore. However, thanks to all the people that joined my list some of you gys returned the favor and gave me some info on some solid cappers.. I thank you guys for that. That is what I call Team Work.
To those that are already on my list, they got the NBA SYSTEM PLAYS THAT ARE HITTING AT 99.3% IN THE LAST 5 SEASONS. I WILL CONTINUE SENDING YOU GUYS THOSE PLAYS ALONG WITH SOME SOLID PICKS ON THE SIDE. I ALSO STARTED A SEPERATE THREAD FOR MY 99.3% SYSTEM WINNERS. 19-0 IS THE RECORD SO FAR THIS SEASON WITH A POSSIBLE PLAY ON THE LAKERS ON FRIDAY. WHOEVER WANT TO JOIN THE NBA SYSTEM LIST, MY EMAIL ONCE AGAIN IS PENLIGHTER4YOU@YAHOO.COM

[haylife]

By The Way, Is It Just Me Or Is Travisbickle The Biggest Smart Ass In This Forum. I Have Noticed Him Go In Many Peoples Threads And Tried To Bash Everyone. Hey Travis I Know Youre Trying To Do Your Thing And Everything But Nobody In Here Needs Your Negativity.
Thank You!