'Soccer System Secrets'

[Fordster]

Has anybody got 'Soccer System Secrets' from Lawrence Taylor?

After checking his results from his website http://www.topbettingsystems.com/letter.htm and reading the review below, I would like to buy/trade a copy of this system with anyone who has it.

I reckon its a system all about laying weak teams like Stoke City vs Man Utd at Old Trafford but if it can mulitply your bank balance by 28 times over a year then I dont care!

http://www.laytheodds.com/articles/276/1/Fancy-Your-Hand-at-Laying-This-Upcoming-Season/Soccer-Strategies.html

Does anyone have this system or can back it's claims?

Cheers

[ribo]

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[manicminer83]

Yes I have it and it's nowhere near like the hype says. I f you like laying big teams at 25-30 liability then go for it. Like so many laying systems it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

[safepairofhands29]

Well, I have this system and I think it's very well thought out indeed. It's actually 4 separate lay methods which all make excellent profits. It's also endorsed by Clive Keeling (What Really Makes Money), who doesn't go in for praising rubbish.

[safepairofhands29]

Also, from a brief look at his lists of results of the last 8 seasons the systems don't have such high priced losers, most being around the 3 and 4 mark.

Now you're going to tell me the man's falsified his results, I suppose?!

[Fordster]

Well, I have this system and I think it's very well thought out indeed. It's actually 4 separate lay methods which all make excellent profits. It's also endorsed by Clive Keeling (What Really Makes Money), who doesn't go in for praising rubbish.

Clive Keeling endorsing a product means nothing and is only the sales blurb that the people connected with the system bang on about. Clive Keeling will recommend anything what his publishing house will tell him to do!

Looking at the results it is obvious they lay high for a 90% strike rate. What bugs me is that its been going on for a few years yet there is no honest review about it on the internet.

Its probably not worth the paer its on but i just wondering if there any specific rules that I might not realise that might improve my own laying?

[safepairofhands29]

In fact, Fordster, it's not "obvious" at all exactly what these systems are about. You won't know until you actually get one as I doubt that anyone who's got it will want to breach the confidentiality agreement.

Suffice to say that various methods are used, not only involving laying teams to lose over 90 mins. It certainly surprised me when I received it.

Sometimes it pays to be very knowingly sceptical, other times one simply loses out.

[tincup65]

I emailed the author and got a prompt reply explaining a few things. May try this one out.

[manicminer83]

Fordster,if you wand an honest review of this crap system here is areview from "BusinessOpportunities" site :

Basically the system attempts to teach you a 'foolproof' method to lay football teams on betfair for profits of £20,000 per year bla bla we all know the spiel.
Unfortunately the results from using the system, in practice, have little or no bearing on what the reported results should be. The odds quoted in the manual are a joke, you just can't get those odds in reality on betfair and without those odds the system falls down, big time.
I have the feeling that Lawrence Taylor does not even use his system and just relies on mugs like me to furnish his lifestyle, oh and about the money back guarantee he refuses to honour it, i e-mailed him to request my cash back and he told me, politely, to get lost!!


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Nuff said Ascammer and certainly no gentleman .I tried it last season and it bombed. His results in the latest version are NOT what you'd get!! And the reviewers beef with the odds are spot on. Ithink it's good that a lot of these chancers finally get rumbled.Bin their crappy systems and if you paid for one,demand a refund or threaten them with renaging on a legally binding purchase promise.

[Fordster]

Thanks for the comments ManicMiner83. :thumbs up

[Johnsie]

I can't understand all the negative comments about Soccer System Secrets, I have used this system in the last 2 seasons and made a few thousand quid each time. By following the rules of the system exactly it's very profitable. All I can say is that you are not using it properly.

The system is just about to start for the new season and I can't wait to get started again.

[Johnsie]

Also 'Fordstar' is doing most of the 'slagging of' about Soccer System Secrets but he doesn't even have his own copy of the system. He started this thread by saying he would like to buy/trade a copy of this system with anyone who has it. I rest my case.

I think it's the best system I have ever owned.

[safepairofhands29]

Sounds good, Johnsie and I agree that it looks like a decent system (or rather, 4 systems).

But I notice that you've posted only a couple of times before at this forum in about 15 months, again defending Soccer Systems. You wouldn't, by any chance be Lawrence Taylor, would you, looking to make sure your methods don't get a bad reputation?!

[manicminer83]

:ro_emote_ Good point Safepairofhands,always be suspicious of someone who suddenly pops up defending a load of old bollocks who only posts once in a blue moon and then only to defens a particular system? The only thing is, if Johnsie is Taylor,he'd better get over to "BusinessOpportunities U.K." pronto to defend his crap system. Only snag is,he'll have to fork out the £57 yearly join up fee::lolol: It's going to be fun to see if a robust defensive posting of this pile of dog's dinner suddenly pops up? The only scathing review was posted back in March, so a defence of this rubbish suddenly appearing on the BussinessOpportunities site will be the tin lid on it all, as far as I'm concerned.:woohoo:

Save your money folks AND your bankroll, please:ro_emote_

[richp]

I have also purchased the system and was taken back by the fact that the figures are "updated each year". But in his defence Lawrence is quick to reply and always answers honestly. He claims a 90 point profit last year before tweaking - that is not bad even if you were at £10 /point

manicminer83 did you actually stick to the rules or did you deviate at all? Also mentioned above about the odds are also "tweaked" etc but surely if the strike rate is as high as he says and you limit your exposure - i.e you do not lay anything over a certain price surely you should be ok.

Don't start jumping down my throat because I have not posted for a while - I hjave been around on these forums for a long time but usually prefer to sit back and let other people maul eachother -and I can 100% assure you I am not Lawrence (or even a freind of his) - just someone looking to make a few extra £!!

[scott61]

I can't understand all the negative comments about Soccer System Secrets, I have used this system in the last 2 seasons and made a few thousand quid each time. By following the rules of the system exactly it's very profitable. All I can say is that you are not using it properly.

The system is just about to start for the new season and I can't wait to get started again.

Well, good on you Johnsie! Just you go ahead and make another few thousand quid. Don't take any notice of the bad men!:lolol:

[Outcast]

Thanks to all the folks who bought this system

Thanks for your cash :) :)

[tradinghorse]

i have the system, basically it has high risk trades! the purported profits is IF you get a loser only late in the betting calendar. If you experience it early, then your wiped out really. also, the likelihood of getting losers in a row is remote, but it is bound to happen and imagine losing at odds above 10-15 TWICE in a row.

[richp]

Tradinghorse - this is not the case if you compound your profits and only use % of your bank. Say you start with £1000 bank and only with 2% on evry bet then it is very hard to get wiped out. Plus you can decide against very very high odds bets and just stick to what you think is a comfortable amount. If you are using level stakes sure you can get wiped out but if you use the compounding /% method and bank at certain levels you should be fine

[Fordster]

Richp - If you staking 2% of your bank (50 points) you can easily wipe out a 3rd of your bank in one game. For Example the system lost when Man City beat Man Utd last season. The odds on City to win were 18.0-20.0, i know because I backed City.

Here is an example from last season -

Starting Bank £1000

City Won so bank would would be reduced to £660 (£20 / 2% x 17 points). You would need to win the next 21 bets :helpsmili to recover that sort of loss from 2% compound staking.

£660 x 1.02 = £673.20
£673.20 x 1.02 = £686.64
£686.64 x 1.02 = £700.39

and so on

21 bets is literally is a good chunk of the season! Also the 21ish Bets to recover the losses is also not taking into account the 5% Betfair commission.

Just to also add to the woes, if you are making the kind of money the system says it is you will be charged 20% commission as per new betfair rules.

Personally, think you are on a loser with this system to be honest!


2% Compound staking is also not the way forward for this particular system!

[richp]

Thanks for the advice. Will take it on board. May use the system as outline and not trade derby games and also limit the odds to a maximum

Cheers

[manicminer83]

For example, Rangers v Motherwell on Sunday which is a draw lay and a 0-0 lay.The 0-0 draw to back on williamhill is 12/1 so 20% over is about 14/1 to lay..But Betfair's lowest price to lay the 0-0 draw is 22.No way,Jose.Crazy odds and much much more than the 20% over williamhills odds that he proofs his results to.

[richp]

Actually the odds on a 0-0 you could have got at 18.0 or 19.0 early in the week. That said I ignored that as there is no value in that bet however the away lay on that game and draw lay on stenhouse v berwick both paid off with laying odds of around 5.0 and 7.0 respectively.

Therefore it is not necessary to keep slating it why not just try and modify it so it works fo you. I will use it but with caution

[Kentzor84]

Try this ebook instead, "how to make your bookie your atm machine". Made $1k in 2days after reading his methods. Easy to understand and straight forward.

[richp]

Please advise the link or send the e-book to me. You can PM
Thanks

[KThom]

I bought this "system" last year, and it is really a waste of money. It is aimed at the clueless punter who doens't realise the odds are unobtainable.

I found and use another site now, (http://www.progamble2win.co.uk) which has produced much higher profits, at much lower stakes, the response time to my questions has been great too.

I don't even use Taylor's calculation method now.

[KThom]

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[manicminer83]

Ah Kthom,I know. But I also know that you're probably the owner of the Progamble2win site and are on here trying to drum up subscriptions.You see, you were kicked off the "Punters Lounge" forum,weren't you? You unwisely used progamble2win as a username which,coincidently,just happens to be the name of your site.You then joined here 2 days ago (and probably some other forums)and have one post.Which recommends progamble2win.People aren't stupid,you know.Too many people have learned the hard way,you see.They see through all the same old tricks and scams and they get a sense when things don't seem right.Correct?

[KThom]

Urmm, I have never visited, nor been kicked off any other forum.

I merely googled "soccer system secrets" to see what other opinions were made of the original system and came across this thread!

It seems you can't make a positive post about a system without being "an insider".

But thanks for your accusations! :thumbs up

[George44]

I want to buy the book for 1 dollar? Any one who wants to sell??