Why Arbitrage and "Risk Free"Profits can easily cause you to lose all your money

[talkgo]

I see "Risk free" profits are a trendy scam these days... :nono:

To clear things up:


Arbitrage might seem like betting's equivalent of the Holy Grail. If the punter profits whatever the result of the sporting event, betting becomes risk-free, right? Wrong! No form of gambling is entirely risk-free, not even arbitrage. That fact that it is frequently and wrongly acclaimed as being so is perhaps partly due to the use of the term "sure win". There are numerous difficulties associated with arbitrage betting that can and do eat into the profits, sometimes with potentially disastrous consequences.

The first issue to consider with arbitrage betting is stake size. The majority of arbitrage opportunities are limited to only a few per cent at best. Consequently, stakes have to be large to secure any form of sizeable profit. In the example illustrated here, an outlay close to £100 was required to win £4.31. If a punter wanted £43.10 instead, total stakes would have to be nearly £1,000. In itself, this should not present a problem, provided the punter has at his disposal enough liquid cash to place the bets or make deposits with different online bookmakers. The first difficulty arises, however, if a bookmaker imposes limits on the maximum size of a stake. Since an arbitrage bettor's stakes are likely to be larger than most, this problem may occur quite frequently. A punter, for example, may successfully place his two bets on Greece and Ireland, only to discover that he cannot place a £285.70 stake with Bookie 3 on the draw, which limits him to £200. He is then left to sweat on the result of the match, which if drawn will lose him £171.20. Incidentally, the match finished 0-0.

Perhaps a more significant and ongoing problem concerns the effects of deposit and withdrawal costs, and in some cases currency transaction costs as well. For certain types of deposit, and with a number of internationally based online bookmakers, these additional costs can amount to anything from 1 to 5%. Given the usually small percentage profits available, these costs can potentially wipe out any guaranteed profit that is generated through the arbitrage. Of course, a punter can limit the number of deposits and withdrawals he makes but, given the large stake sizes and the number of bookmaker accounts he will require to be able to benefit from arbitrage opportunities that arise, none but the very wealthiest of punters will be able to have the required capital locked away in online accounts. With most arbitrage opportunities offering little more than 1 or 2%, one might assume that to earn as little as £300 per month from at least one winning arbitrage each day would require up to 20 online accounts, each with perhaps £1,000 available to spend. The wealthiest punters, of course, are unlikely to be interested in earning a few extra pounds through arbitrage betting.

A further problem arises with the currency of the betting account. Most online bookmakers now allow a choice of primary currency, with pounds, US dollars and euro all available. However, some of the smaller bookmakers may only permit transactions in one currency. If the currency used to make up one bet differs from that used to make up the others, a very careful calculation of currency conversion will be required to ensure that the appropriate stakes are used to secure the arbitrage profit. Of course, currency rates fluctuate by the hour, and even small mistakes made in calculating the equivalent value of one currency in another can eat into or wipe out the "sure win" return.

Finally, there is the issue of postponed sporting events. Under certain circumstances, postponed events may be rescheduled for within a few days of the original fixture. What a bookmaker does with bets placed on these matches will then depend upon his rules as set out in the terms and conditions. Some bookmakers may decide to void all bets placed, and reopen the book for the rescheduled event. Others may feel it appropriate to leave existing bets to stand. For a football match a punter may then be left with two standing bets and one voided bet. If the new book then offers a different set of prices from the original ones, the possibility of arbitrage may disappear. Again, the punter will be left to sweat on the result.

[mucho69]

all i can say ive been doing it for over a year, never made less then $3,000 a month, yes i have $30,000 invested in various accounts, yes i do get f**ed sometimes because of various bookmaker rules and game rules, yes i do sometimes work 10-12 hours a day, not easy at all, but in the end this is not a scam and ive been making it my living for over a year, im not posting any links, not promoting anything, just dont want people to think this is a scam, its not, its very real and profitable, but its definitly very very hard.

[awty]

An excellent analysis, thanks!
Jeff

[ProfessorBets]

I'd be interested in hearing your story mucho69 on how you've made a living off of arbitage betting, I've always been interested in the concept but never really completely immersed myself into it or completely committed enough money to make a full-time living off of it. Do you think you could PM me when you get a chance?
I would really appreciate it if we could talk about your experiences with arbitage trading, and all the work you have to put in as I'm very interested... I'm not asking you to pay me anything and not expecting to pay you for anything, I just wanted to swap some information as I'm a very inquisitive person by nature. I look forward to talking to you soon...

[WiseGrub]

Mucho69, I like to start Arb trading. For a beginner like me can you recommence some quality and needed bookmakers for this trade. I only have $5000 to spread between them and how do i allocate my resources.

Thanks

[chilly]

arb trading is very fine, if you had a little knowlage... after one or two bets, you KNOW wich bookie accepts wich bet... this is my opinion.

And after this, its only a thing of money... and trust me, there are a lot bookies out there with NO maximum betting ammount...

bye chilly...

ps.: sorry for my bad english... ;-)

[mucho69]

well i cant really recomend any sportsbooks, because if i give u a couple, there may not be any arbs there for a while, you never know where they might pop up, but you can start arbing with 5,000, dont expect to make much, 20%max for the month, thats $1,000 on your money, so $33 a day max, most people get furstrated sitting for 10hours to make $25 for the day, that $2.50 an hour, welcome to mexico, hehe, but im being serious, i use alot more money thats im capable of doing $100+ a day, everyday thats $3,000+ a month, but i get tired beleive me, i just dont want to work for someone so i put up with the hours, but you can start and then see how it is for you, open up accounts that accept neteller that way u can fund the book in seconds, but this will slow you down abit, everyone starts out somewhere, just dont give up and youll do fine

[ocean7443]

if u wanna save time and willing to pay some money, there are some good arbitrage softwares out there.

[chavez]

if u wanna save time and willing to pay some money, there are some good arbitrage softwares out there.

Hi ocean7443,

You are absolutely right and I know a good one.

It also comes with a great feature for members. :ro_emote_


Best Regards,

[lotsbg]

I think most people just go full steam into it without properly analysing what is required (actually checking bookies rules etc.) and hence get done.

If you are to do it, and I believe one can, then you have to put in the hard work. Nothing comes easy.

[Global*Money]

Personally i am not into Arb trading but my downline has tried it once and has made some profit

[alexeow]

I think most people just go full steam into it without properly analysing what is required (actually checking bookies rules etc.) and hence get done.

If you are to do it, and I believe one can, then you have to put in the hard work. Nothing comes easy.

Well said. People need to really analyse everything like checking bookies rule etc. before they actually get involved. Some people really have no patient to do it and get done at last.

[againstbush]

Instead of working with a couple of different bookmakers, you can also work with only ONE betexchanger! www.betfair.com is the biggest.
I am working with them for a few weeks now and although I am still a newbie I made about 5 winning days to 1 losing day.
But remember, this is not the typical arbitrage betting.
I see it more like trading, but alot more easier than Forextrading.

[mucho69]

been with betfair for 4 years nothing new, be careful

[KoreanBoyDJ]

well i would recommend if u are really going to start arbitrage... then get MORE money~!!!!
Cuz its just waste of time if u goin to make less than 50bucks a day by spending whole day > every day!!!
I don't want to insult mexicans but... You really don't want to get paid like mexicans~
Get at least 20,000 or up to begin.
And when u do begin then use about 10bucks to check if those bookmakers are workin or not. and read Rules especially transaction part. Gluck to those of whom wants to do it.

[lotsbg]

Agree Korean,
I know lots of experts who work full time trading on betfair, and they earn around $150 a day, which is really crap money for a fully intense 9-5 day.

You're better off gambling on horses or sports which show and prove a long term profitable result.

[marklv]

$150 tax free per day is not crap money; it's $4,500 per month. Many people in the US and Europe, even in decent white collar jobs, take home less money.

What the f*ck do you expect to earn? Millions a month?



Agree Korean,
I know lots of experts who work full time trading on betfair, and they earn around $150 a day, which is really crap money for a fully intense 9-5 day.

You're better off gambling on horses or sports which show and prove a long term profitable result.

[chavez]

$150 tax free per day is not crap money; it's $4,500 per month. Many people in the US and Europe, even in decent white collar jobs, take home less money.

What the f*ck do you expect to earn? Millions a month?

And its TAX free

Great post marklv

[Debiter]

if u wanna save time and willing to pay some money, there are some good arbitrage softwares out there

[alexeow]

Yes and I know one of them. Probably the best one! :ro_emote_

[boeze]

lol 4.5k not enough for you?

[lotsbg]

4.5k? YOu want to work 30 days a week? ha! Lets look at a 5 day working week which therefore equals $3.25k a month for a 9-5 fully intense day of trading non stop (no breaks allowed throughout the day!)

Personally I make a lot lot more than that in sports betting and all it takes a making a few bets in the morning and then coming home after work to see how they have gone. So yes, $3.25k/month is not enough for me, when there are so many better options out there.

[boeze]

Yes I also won't work 9-5 every single day for 4.5k, but there enough automated programs out there, not?

So you also bet, not only arbitrage?

[lotsbg]

well my point is, if there are automated programs that do all the work for you that actually make money, then the people selling the things wouldn't sell them. Simple as that. Why let other people make money when they can make more.

Yeah I am all sports betting through www.sportpunter.com

[SGInvest]

Is SportPunter a good method for beginners ?
I'd like to begin with $500...

Thanks for your advice.

[12dp user]

Im intrested but no money to invest in this :/

[lotsbg]

Is SportPunter a good method for beginners ?
I'd like to begin with $500...

Thanks for your advice.

Yeah I'd say so. I think when beginning you've really gotta learn the capper about how to bet and with who and how much, and they do that very well. The idea is to bet consistantly and with proper rules, so you don't chance losers and the like, and SP teach you that well. Their forum is pretty good with people answering questions about where to start etc.

[alexeow]

well my point is, if there are automated programs that do all the work for you that actually make money, then the people selling the things wouldn't sell them. Simple as that. Why let other people make money when they can make more.

Yeah I am all sports betting through www.sportpunter.com

Automated arbitrage programs are just aiding you to quickly find out arbitrage opportunity once it is available. You still need to master the sport betting skill by yourself before you can actually earn good money with arbitrage sport trading.

[viviangd]

To Mucho69
I have signed up for Risk Free Profit. I am studying and getting training. Just ready to
start trading. I would appreciate it if you would email me at viviandavis25@yahoo.com
I have some questions, since you are sucessful. Thanks. Vivian Davis

[chavez]

To Mucho69
I have signed up for Risk Free Profit. I am studying and getting training. Just ready to
start trading. I would appreciate it if you would email me at viviandavis25@yahoo.com
I have some questions, since you are sucessful. Thanks. Vivian Davis

Welcome to RFP viviangd,

Speaking for the RFP members that do not have time to trade but are in the members pool keep us informed on your progress.


Best Regards,

[adeline1610]

Hi there i'm new to all this. Finding arbs a little too much work, so i joined a pool instead, seems like a lazy way out huh

[lotsbg]

arbs are too much work, just like I said ages ago. let me know how the pool goes. I would imagine terrible. Considering that most bookies have upper limits on their bets...

[chavez]

arbs are too much work, just like I said ages ago. let me know how the pool goes. I would imagine terrible. Considering that most bookies have upper limits on their bets...

Hi lotsbg,

I have been in the pool for 24 weeks with 1500 and I am already up over 200%. In my opinoin the pool is great. And i still get 28 more weeks of this great profit. :ro_emote_

Best regards,

[alaves]

post here screenshots with your account and the results. nobody believes your lies until then

[chavez]

post here screenshots with your account and the results. nobody believes your lies until then
Hi alves,


I would be glad to post my pool results here but I have tried and the file is to big.

Pm me with your email address and i would be glad to send it to you like I have others.

Also I have no reason to lie but when you see the results please come back and change your post to aknowledge the profit you have seen.


Best Regards,

[stearns777]

Risk Free Profits is a scam. You have to trade your own Accts. How come RFP's won't answer my numerous requests for the following:

How much money is pooled and traded per Arb. trade? Is that $1,000 or up to $10K?

How many bookmarks have shut you down or placed a limit on your trade or bet sizes? What are the limits imposed on your bet sizes? Is that $1,000.00 or probably down to $250.00?

Then, how do you deal with opening up thousands of Accts., in order to place a bunch of capped bets?

Then, how do you even open up a thousand or maybe even up to ten thousand Accts.? Especially, when you would need ten thousand individuals private information, in order to open up Accts., in their names?

I have done the research and Risk Free Profits cannot or will not answer the above questions.

Case dismissed. Don't throw your money at the wind.

Craig

[adeline1610]

Bah to that. And i'm offering a rebate now :)

[mucho69]

i can answer , i bet alongside with one of their traders, you see every time RFP puts together $50,000 thats about 80 people investing $600 the minimum, they hand over this one account to a trader with experience, now on $50,000 20% a month is $10,000 , so the traders goal is to make over $10,000 because he gets to keep everything over that for himself, the trader i bet with does about $13,000-16,000 a month with his $50,000 account , so depending on the month he makes 3K-6K a month for himself, so the 80 people(give or take) get their high return and the trader gets to use the money for free and make himself a living, very fair tradeoff i think, any other questions please ask and ill try to answer

[mucho69]

also im adding, you see if you have 20,000 people in RFP thats only enough money to sponsor up to 250 traders, this is not many traders, and RFP doesnt have so many customers, that is how they are able to generate thse returns easily, people think they have thousands of accounts ITS WRONG, they have 200 traders max and there is plenty of room to grow, i cant convince anyone 100%, so take it as you please, but i can guarantee you this is not a ponzi, very professional operation and will grow tenfold in the future, you will see more about RFP on television in the future.

[chavez]

Hi mucho69,

Those were two great informative posts thanks for that.

Best Regards,

[chavez]

post here screenshots with your account and the results. nobody believes your lies until then

Hi,

I my defence:

I have given alaves plenty of time to respond back to my PM to him to have a look at my screenshot of my profits from my account in the members pool.

He has not responded because he knows he will be proven wrong. There are several other posters that have asked to see my profits and I have shown everyone of them the screen print.

As I said before I have tried to post the screen print here but it is to large to have as an attachment.


Again before anyone wants to call me a liar, please feel free to ask for the screen print.


Best Regards,

[stearns777]

Thank you very much.

Okay, so I am trying to give my money to RFP's. I would love to do this.

Please do this: Have RFP email me a screen shot of a pooled Acct. Please have the traders email for a few questions.

This is really simple, a screen shot, showing a pooled Acct., just one of them. I take it one pooled Acct. is around $50K? That makes sense. Maybe even a screen shot of some trading history. That should show the bookmarks, how much is traded per bookmark, etc., etc.

Let's keep it simple so I can join and be on my merry way.

Please advise.

Craig Stearns stearns777@hotmail.com

[alexeow]

Great posts mucho69! Thanks for that. :)

[round]

Did anyone at all tried to withdraw succesfully from RFP?

Everything iread so far indicates a well-organized scam...

[chavez]

Did anyone at all tried to withdraw succesfully from RFP?

Everything iread so far indicates a well-organized scam...


hi round,

Members are getting paid every month by RFP from the pool account and from commissions.

And yes they are a well-organized company but they are not a scam.


Best regards,

[stearns777]

I just spoke with Ted.

It looks like RFP is the real deal. Their Arb. software does put out the real Arbitrage trades. You can get the alerts and place your own bets or trades. There is no need to put pooled funds with RFP's.

I am going to put some in the pooled Acct and trade some of my own money. The one guy that threw me off was Alan Seymore. He has a site but apparently he owns or is part owner of one of the Arb. services.

RFP has been around for a few years. They, I think are in Ireland? Anyway, they take Visa and Mastercard. That should clue you in that they aren't a HYIP scam?

The best thing to do is, subscribe to an Arb. service and place your own trades. That way, you don't have to worry about being paid from a managed or pooled Acct. Whatever is clever.

Craig

[adeline1610]

Not everyone has the time nor the patience to spend a ton of money on arbs trade to generate a full-time income.

[EuroPhil]

I think the pool is excellent. I already invested $600 and now that two people signed up below me, I will soon add another $900.

I am very impressed by their MLM program. Outstanding!

I have been in MLM before and I didn’t like it. I think the problem with most MLM is the product: usually it’s not a product people really want to buy and it is overpriced. People usually buy the product only to get in the business. In other words, they buy a business opportunity not a product  in my mind most MLM are just pyramids that use a product to seem legal and legit.

RiskFreeProfit MLM program is entirely different: Like many others I presume, I purchased the product without really thinking of getting into the MLM. I wanted the product, I liked it, got so excited that I talked about it to friends. That’s how MLM should be: spontaneous word of mouth. RiskFreeProfit is the first MLM I see with a worthwhile product. A product that actually makes money!!! That’s unique!!!

[chavez]

Welcome to RFP EuroPhil

You are very right in what you say.


Best Regards,


I think the pool is excellent. I already invested $600 and now that two people signed up below me, I will soon add another $900.

I am very impressed by their MLM program. Outstanding!

I have been in MLM before and I didn’t like it. I think the problem with most MLM is the product: usually it’s not a product people really want to buy and it is overpriced. People usually buy the product only to get in the business. In other words, they buy a business opportunity not a product  in my mind most MLM are just pyramids that use a product to seem legal and legit.

RiskFreeProfit MLM program is entirely different: Like many others I presume, I purchased the product without really thinking of getting into the MLM. I wanted the product, I liked it, got so excited that I talked about it to friends. That’s how MLM should be: spontaneous word of mouth. RiskFreeProfit is the first MLM I see with a worthwhile product. A product that actually makes money!!! That’s unique!!!

[adeline1610]

Yes i'd really like to know, and even perhaps have screenshots. The RFP members are split into two main types, one that invest, one that trade. Hardly any would do both!

[chavez]

Yes i'd really like to know, and even perhaps have screenshots. The RFP members are split into two main types, one that invest, one that trade. Hardly any would do both!


Hi,

I am sure your sponsor "Shaq" of the "Dream Team" will show you his profits.
Be patient you will have your own soon.

RFP members are "1" main type. People who see a good thing in RFP,in there software and the members pool.


Best Regards,

[adeline1610]

Hahhaa what's in a name.

Thanks anyway, as I mentioned in my PM, the actual trading part is something that is a bridge that has to be crossed soon.

The product knowledge is just not THERE without it.

[talkgo]

Still no proof at all of succesfull arbitrage trades using this RFP blablabla

[Frank42]

Hello, thanks for pointing me to RFP .. I will check that later today.
There are also managed accounts so you would not hand over your dollars to somebody else.

[talkgo]

in "managed accounts" this is exactly what you do : You hand over money to someone else.

who can at anytime run with your money easily. exactly the case of the RFP scam fund

[Frank42]

Why are you shouting at me, what's the problem.

I just said I know of a guy who operates other peoples betfair account. He never has access to those others' money, he just places the bets. And he gets paid 30% of the profits at the end of the month. He can't run with any money, so how could that be a scam.

OTOH I am not sure yet about RFP. Many say that is a scam...

[talkgo]

you were not clear in what you said the first time.

And yes, if you leave your username and password unprotected at betfair, there are many ways for someone to clean your account.

One of them is laying impossible outcomes (like 3-3 soccer score) at small odds from his own betfair account, and then backing (and therefore losing) the impossible outcomes from your account with all the money that you have.

After the events are over, all your money will be transferred into his account (backing those - loss for you, laying those - profit for him) :birthday:

[jrivas23]

all i can say ive been doing it for over a year, never made less then $3,000 a month, yes i have $30,000 invested in various accounts, yes i do get f**ed sometimes because of various bookmaker rules and game rules, yes i do sometimes work 10-12 hours a day, not easy at all, but in the end this is not a scam and ive been making it my living for over a year, im not posting any links, not promoting anything, just dont want people to think this is a scam, its not, its very real and profitable, but its definitly very very hard.

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[jrivas23]

Hi,

I am sure your sponsor "Shaq" of the "Dream Team" will show you his profits.
Be patient you will have your own soon.

RFP members are "1" main type. People who see a good thing in RFP,in there software and the members pool.


Best Regards,

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[chavez]

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Hijrivas23,


I am sure it is. My point was that there is one type of RFP member and that is one that sees RFP as a good thing. Meaning everything about it.

You should post your profits from your trades, so you can prove to the naysayers how good RFP is.

Great to here you doing so well.


Best Regards,

[talkgo]

i thought after the RFP scam was exposed, you will stop posting so much hypey bullsh*t here...

[chavez]

Hi talkgo,

I would really like to carry on with this yes/no yes/no topic but I will not.


You did post that you would show everyone your profits, and how well you are doing. I for one would really like to see them posted here for us all to see.

I am not saying that you are not making these profits but would like to just see how profitable Arb trading can be.

I did ask you in my PM to you to send them to me but you have not, so please post them here.

Thank you and keep up the great Arb. trading.


Best Regards, :ro_emote_

i thought after the RFP scam was exposed, you will stop posting so much hypey bullsh*t here...

[pincher]

If you really want to earn, always it is necessary to risk. This risk is reduced to a minimum with similar sites. So trust in success, invest and earn.

[sanni5]

Probably because there is no sufficient knowledge. It seems to me if is their money always it is possible to lose.
Though in the first post the good analysis is given.

[stearns777]

A good way to test and see if you want to invest in a company, is to send an email to admin. or customer service. You should establish if they have any integretity. If they don't respond, that's a big red flag. If they respond, in a timely manner and have some good answers, that's a start. I have passed on a lot of paid to surf programs,just by their response or no reply.

[toster]

Because " Risk Free " Profits does not guarantee on 100 % bringing you profit.

[jrivas23]

A good way to test and see if you want to invest in a company, is to send an email to admin. or customer service. You should establish if they have any integretity. If they don't respond, that's a big red flag. If they respond, in a timely manner and have some good answers, that's a start. I have passed on a lot of paid to surf programs,just by their response or no reply.


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[THErealdeal]

Risk Free Profits is a scam. You have to trade your own Accts. How come RFP's won't answer my numerous requests for the following:

How much money is pooled and traded per Arb. trade? Is that $1,000 or up to $10K?

How many bookmarks have shut you down or placed a limit on your trade or bet sizes? What are the limits imposed on your bet sizes? Is that $1,000.00 or probably down to $250.00?

Then, how do you deal with opening up thousands of Accts., in order to place a bunch of capped bets?

Then, how do you even open up a thousand or maybe even up to ten thousand Accts.? Especially, when you would need ten thousand individuals private information, in order to open up Accts., in their names?

I have done the research and Risk Free Profits cannot or will not answer the above questions.

Case dismissed. Don't throw your money at the wind.

Craig

I have asked them the same questions, but no answer. I think the "members" of RFP are in for a huge surprise. I have read hundreds and hundreds of threads on sports betting forums, spoken to several pro traders, and each and every one of them say it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a 5 % profit a week, week in week out. You would need a huge bankroll, hundreds of accounts, no limiting from the bookmakers and make no mistakes at all. Ad if 40 pro traders plus members are using the same software and placing bets on the same arbs, the arbs would be gone in a split sec. It´s a scam.
The fact that the company won´t answer questions like the ones above, tells me to stay the hell out of it. I am not inerested in the pool, but was interested in the software. I have checked out the software at a friends place, and 8 out 10 of the arbs displayed are different from the odds at the bookies. Its a scam. Once the pool is big enough, the people behind it will be living the good life somewhere, where they can´t be found.

[boeze]

I have asked them the same questions, but no answer. I think the "members" of RFP are in for a huge surprise. I have read hundreds and hundreds of threads on sports betting forums, spoken to several pro traders, and each and every one of them say it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a 5 % profit a week, week in week out. You would need a huge bankroll, hundreds of accounts, no limiting from the bookmakers and make no mistakes at all. Ad if 40 pro traders plus members are using the same software and placing bets on the same arbs, the arbs would be gone in a split sec. It´s a scam.
The fact that the company won´t answer questions like the ones above, tells me to stay the hell out of it. I am not inerested in the pool, but was interested in the software. I have checked out the software at a friends place, and 8 out 10 of the arbs displayed are different from the odds at the bookies. Its a scam. Once the pool is big enough, the people behind it will be living the good life somewhere, where they can´t be found.

You guys are on to it, there were tons of MLM persons from this forum convincing me of there 'realness' but like you guys I asked them the same questions and NO-ONE could answer them, and since RFP doesn't give them out then they are ONE big scam to me.

[talkgo]

And, with all these, clowns like this scammer "chavez" or "Time-Investor" (which are noth probably the same person, the RiskFreeProfit staff or admins), continue to post on this forum and NOT answer any questions, just continuing their stupid arrogant bull**** :flame:

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Just go to my page
http://eaglecyberinvestment.riskfreeprofit.com/ on the side you can see live support, is on almost all day... in a timely manner y9ou can get your answer.. whats best of this is that is not an HYIP it is a tool that helps you get 1.5% to 2.5% daily per arbitrage bet sometimes you even can make 2 arbitarges per day.., bets that you make yourelf.. not anybody for you so you know that you are not going to get ripped off... They train you, they teach you everything so you can get your own profits yourself its not passive you have to do alot of work.. but its way not to get scammed since your profits are made byu yourself....


Good post,

Exactly, customer support is for customers, as in subscribers, and they have always responded to any issues I had, so if those who are critical of RFP have obviously not used it or they would know that this is the way company is set up. WE, as in subscribers are the marketing arm of company if we choose, so if one is not answering all your questions, then don't join. I am glad they take care of us as well as they do and not waste their time with time wasters who wouldn't risk even one month subscription to see for themselves how software works. Sunday football offers up the best arbs of the week, how many saw the 15% plus arbs popping up over and over yesterday?

Good luck to all, Mike
Arbitrage-Sports.com

[THErealdeal]

Nobody made a profit on 15% plus arbs, because none of the members actually trade!!!! And the bets was probably voided anyway. Btw, I HAVE spoken to live support, they know jack! They told me to mail to support, so I did! Several times....and I still didn´t revieve an answer. Oh...thats not true, I did get ONE answer: When I asked if I could pay 12 months in advance. They replied REAL fast to that. What a joke.

[talkgo]

You guys are on to it, there were tons of MLM persons from this forum convincing me of their 'realness' of RFP but like you guys I asked them the same questions and NOONE could answer them, and since RFP doesn't give any answers, then they are ONE big scam to me.

Well, they are a profitable scam indeed. For the RFP admins, Talkgold forum was a goldmine of suckers, and it was well sucked dry. Now the doors are closing in, and RFP-scammers are hiding their black heads even deeper down in the former Soviet Union...

[jrivas23]

I trade, I make 1.% to 2.5% evry 2 days, the software works.. Somebody that really uses the software can answer your questions.. Live help, wont end up the sales of the people that is why they are not going to keep answering your dd questions, I can help you take advantage of the program, Pm for more questions. Tha arbs are true, the only site taht is ometimes find a diffrence is with Pinnacle sports, but is only when i take to long to place the arb...

[chavez]

Well, they are a profitable scam indeed. For the RFP admins, Talkgold forum was a goldmine of suckers, and it was well sucked dry. Now the doors are closing in, and RFP-scammers are hiding their black heads even deeper down in the former Soviet Union...


You sure have a way with words. hahaha


Best regards,

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Nobody made a profit on 15% plus arbs, because none of the members actually trade!!!! And the bets was probably voided anyway. Btw, I HAVE spoken to live support, they know jack! They told me to mail to support, so I did! Several times....and I still didn´t revieve an answer. Oh...thats not true, I did get ONE answer: When I asked if I could pay 12 months in advance. They replied REAL fast to that. What a joke.

Funny,

What a joke indeed. LOL You have not even used software, and you state, bets was (were) probably voided, as if you even had a remote clue. No, they weren't voided, Sunday's football just happens to be one of the best arbitrage-sports days, always has been. Had a few 7% arbs on basketball as well yesterday, so until you have even a clue about the industry, never mind the software, what does your opinion count, it doesn't. You base all your stabs at company because they won't answer your non user questions, and thank goodness they don't or I would not have my questions answered as timely as they do. Keep thrashing, I enjoy the laughs.


Good luck to all, Mike
http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[THErealdeal]

Funny,

What a joke indeed. LOL You have not even used software, and you state, bets was (were) probably voided, as if you even had a remote clue. No, they weren't voided, Sunday's football just happens to be one of the best arbitrage-sports days, always has been. Had a few 7% arbs on basketball as well yesterday, so until you have even a clue about the industry, never mind the software, what does your opinion count, it doesn't. You base all your stabs at company because they won't answer your non user questions, and thank goodness they don't or I would not have my questions answered as timely as they do. Keep thrashing, I enjoy the laughs.


Good luck to all, Mike
http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

Your a joke, you have never traded in your life, and you know it. instead of your bull****, maybe you should show us some of your trades....but you can´t can you? And i am not talking about paper trades, but real trades...idiot

[DriverDan]

Had a few 7% arbs on basketball as well yesterday, so until you have even a clue about the industry, never mind the software, what does your opinion count, it doesn't.
Let me guess. You saw them in the software but never actually bet them. If you didn't place any bets they didn't actually happen.

[stearns777]

I joined RFP then quit. I wasn't getting answers to my questions. I could't get one damn actual trading statement; I couldn't get one of their Arb. traders on the phone, or even to email me; I couldn't get an explanation as to how their Arb. trader could trade up to $10K or more per day, and not get red flagged by the bookmarks. A few Arb. trades over $500.00 and the bookmark will put a cap on you. I couldn't get nothing

BTW, my sponsor couldn't get any thing either. He did get an email response from some smart ass guy. The responder sounded like another upline, as he didn't have a solid answer.

Okay... I was a member and I did't get a response. I sent over eight emails. No response. I guess they don't want to hear about billing questions. Weather you are a member or non member, they don't respond... That's a big red flag. Arb. trades are great. Just do them yourself. I think it's Zero risk arbs., that charges like $39.00 a month and puts out a ton or Arb. trades a day.

From : <custservice@riskfreeprofit.com>
Sent : Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:45 AM
To :
Subject : Successful Payemnt Transaction for stearns777

| | | Arbitrage | Inbox


Hello Craig Stearns,

Credit Card Statement Descriptor:
Monthly recurring payment for Surebetpro software

Transaction date:
15-Oct-2005 06:45

Charge to your credit card is:
139

Currency:
USD

Receipt number:
02BC41800665BAFDE040007F01003020

If RFP is really doing the pooled trades, then, somebody get their traders in here to defend they company. A real statement would be a good start. Not a spread sheet. A real statement. Come on kids grow up. I know we hope against hope and don't want to hear the truth. I would suggest, to do the research. Like send a few emails to cust. service.

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Your a joke, you have never traded in your life, and you know it. instead of your bull****, maybe you should show us some of your trades....but you can´t can you? And i am not talking about paper trades, but real trades...idiot

Funny,

Real trades, the only idiot is the one who would think anyone would bother paying $139. for software and not even using it. Sure, it takes time to set up your books, and it takes money to fund them, so the only idiot would be anyone who thinks they would make money by not using software. Only recently was commission enhanced, but prior to that there was little incentive to promote it, and in comparison to trading, there was no comparison.

Typically many will join in hopes of the mystery spillover fairy making them rich, but too many of these people quit before they even begin, as this is the MLM mentality which frequents these HYIP forums. Losers united, that's the joke, seeing those who just love to see if they can recruit more to their losers mentality club who attack those who are not members. Pathetic post, so who is the real idiot of a joke here? So who is the president of the losers club here?

http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

I joined RFP then quit. I wasn't getting answers to my questions. I could't get one damn actual trading statement; I couldn't get one of their Arb. traders on the phone, or even to email me; I couldn't get an explanation as to how their Arb. trader could trade up to $10K or more per day, and not get red flagged by the bookmarks. A few Arb. trades over $500.00 and the bookmark will put a cap on you. I couldn't get nothing

BTW, my sponsor couldn't get any thing either. He did get an email response from some smart ass guy. The responder sounded like another upline, as he didn't have a solid answer.

Okay... I was a member and I did't get a response. I sent over eight emails. No response. I guess they don't want to hear about billing questions. Weather you are a member or non member, they don't respond... That's a big red flag. Arb. trades are great. Just do them yourself. I think it's Zero risk arbs., that charges like $39.00 a month and puts out a ton or Arb. trades a day.

From : <custservice@riskfreeprofit.com>
Sent : Saturday, October 15, 2005 4:45 AM
To :
Subject : Successful Payemnt Transaction for stearns777

| | | Arbitrage | Inbox


Hello Craig Stearns,

Credit Card Statement Descriptor:
Monthly recurring payment for Surebetpro software

Transaction date:
15-Oct-2005 06:45

Charge to your credit card is:
139

Currency:
USD

Receipt number:
02BC41800665BAFDE040007F01003020

If RFP is really doing the pooled trades, then, somebody get their traders in here to defend they company. A real statement would be a good start. Not a spread sheet. A real statement. Come on kids grow up. I know we hope against hope and don't want to hear the truth. I would suggest, to do the research. Like send a few emails to cust. service.

Funny,

Perfect example of a typical quitter, you paid for one month and it appears you joined for only one reason, the pool, for that was the only question you were asking customer service. Why? They do not run the pool, nor would they have information on this, why, because it was not suppose to be promoted to outsiders, it was an insiders bonus and the traders would be stupid to post their names, never mind get bogged down with answering thousands of questions from all the loser club members out there. How the hell are they going to track and do trades if they have to be a babysitter for losers who won't do their own trades?

Sounds to me like the typical money game chasers excuse who came in just to get into pool. Why would any trader want to provide statements to anyone on HYIP trash forums? Arbitrage trading is not new, I was trading three years before RFP came along, and trader forums were used to share up to date potential arbs, so although certainly an advantage, it is not even close to what RFP now offers, so do your homework, as in do your own trades. You jined Oct. 15th, so did you even make one trade? Quitters are losers, losers are quitters, nothing new here. (g)

http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[THErealdeal]

I found out they have an office in Riga, Latvia. Anyone ever meet fat Yuri? Oh sorry, I mean James Beattie. Face to face? Not by phone, messenger or mail, but face to face?

[chavez]

I found out they have an office in Riga, Latvia. Anyone ever meet fat Yuri? Oh sorry, I mean James Beattie. Face to face? Not by phone, messenger or mail, but face to face?


You are the realdeal but i will not say on this forum for what that is.

You bring up a good point, the next time i buy stocks in a company or a new car, house, whatever before I do it I have to have a face to face with the CEO of that company. NOT :lolol:


Best Regards,

[THErealdeal]

You are the realdeal but i will not say on this forum for what that is.

You bring up a good point, the next time i buy stocks in a company or a new car, house, whatever before I do it I have to have a face to face with the CEO of that company. NOT :lolol:


Best Regards,


Oh right, I forgot....cause he is God right?

I´ve seen a lot of posts from rfp members speaking of James Beattie as if he was a personal friend, but I guess a few mails and a phone call is enough to know somebody these days. I would love to see a picture of James Beattie?

I don´t mind people joining rfp, the concept is good, but you will never know wether or not it´s for real. If people get paid after a year, I´ll believe in it a lot more. I´m not hoping people get scammed, but some of the red flags just keep coming up. Good luck to those who invest their money, time and reputation into it. Don´t spend money on it, unless you can afford to lose it. Hopefully you won´t!

[chavez]

Oh right, I forgot....cause he is God right?

I´ve seen a lot of posts from rfp members speaking of James Beattie as if he was a personal friend, but I guess a few mails and a phone call is enough to know somebody these days. I would love to see a picture of James Beattie?

I don´t mind people joining rfp, the concept is good, but you will never know wether or not it´s for real. If people get paid after a year, I´ll believe in it a lot more. I´m not hoping people get scammed, but some of the red flags just keep coming up. Good luck to those who invest their money, time and reputation into it. Don´t spend money on it, unless you can afford to lose it. Hopefully you won´t!

Hi THErealdeal,

Well I can say i also have talked to James Beattie. Do i know what he looks like, no. I know he sounds Irish and that is Guaranteed. Is he a personal friend, no. But i have talked to him more than any CEO from other investments. Actually I never did talk to any CEO from any other investments.
i just listened to my investment planners and hoped they were not trying to screw me. Same goes with this investment, i did more checking into this one than any other investment.

"I don´t mind people joining rfp, the concept is good, but you will never know wether or not it´s for real. If people get paid after a year, I´ll believe in it a lot more. I´m not hoping people get scammed, but some of the red flags just keep coming up. Good luck to those who invest their money, time and reputation into it. Don´t spend money on it, unless you can afford to lose it. Hopefully you won´t![/QUOTE]"

This is a great post to an informative forum. :ro_emote_
You are right, do not spend money in any investment that you can not afford to lose. Ialso do not want people to get scammed. I do not want to be scammed but if I am I will not have to worry about it because i invested like you said "Don´t spend money on it, unless you can afford to lose it."


Best Regards,

[stearns777]

Funny,

Perfect example of a typical quitter, you paid for one month and it appears you joined for only one reason, the pool, for that was the only question you were asking customer service. Why? They do not run the pool, nor would they have information on this, why, because it was not suppose to be promoted to outsiders, it was an insiders bonus and the traders would be stupid to post their names, never mind get bogged down with answering thousands of questions from all the loser club members out there. How the hell are they going to track and do trades if they have to be a babysitter for losers who won't do their own trades?

Sounds to me like the typical money game chasers excuse who came in just to get into pool. Why would any trader want to provide statements to anyone on HYIP trash forums? Arbitrage trading is not new, I was trading three years before RFP came along, and trader forums were used to share up to date potential arbs, so although certainly an advantage, it is not even close to what RFP now offers, so do your homework, as in do your own trades. You jined Oct. 15th, so did you even make one trade? Quitters are losers, losers are quitters, nothing new here. (g)

http://Arbitrage-Sports.com


Hey loser boy... If you have been trading Arbs. for three years before RFP, then why would you pay $139.00 a month when you can get better Arb. trades for $39.00 a month from Zero Risk Arb.? Why are you promoting RFP with your link? That's because you have that MLM mentality. I did not go though any HYIP trash forums, to approach RFP. I did this through email and my sponsor. After numerous attempts and no answer to the questions, then, I posted the details in here. You are reacting because I am exposing RFP for what they aren't. The aren't doing pooled trades; they aren't going to pay you in a year for your units or you block of, what is does it cost, $600.00 for a block? They aren't going to provide a real statement or anything. Yes Arbs are provided, but not cost three times too much. I am smart business man. Do the math.

In my statement I said it's best to do your Arb. trades. In doing your own Arbs., I would rather pay $39.00 a month and get a ton of Arbs. everyday VS paying $139.00 a month for :rant: the Sure Bet Pro Arbs. Quit beating this up and trying to figure it out. You are too defensive. That tells me you know the truth. Allow the truth to set you free.

Again, as a member, I couldn't get questions answered. Why would I stick around and do trades off or their software, if nobody answers my emails? Who cares about this hidden inside Arb. trader BS. If that's where the $600 for a unit of managed Arb. funds, don't you have the right to speak with a trader or a few of them? Maybe even see a real statement? I am not asking for their, SSN, actual trading Acct. name and Acct. numbers. Don't you find it odd, that this MLM part of RFP is a hidden mystery? The reason for the $139.00 charge each month is to be able to pay the Amway up and downline commissions, right?

We can conclude by deductive reasoning, since RFP is secretative about the $600 per unit pooled block and the high $139.00 a month fees, that there is something wrong. Like you said about why would a company RFP managed, pool fund trader, speak with anyone or provide any real proof of the pooled Arb. trades...(?) Because they don't exist. Oh and one more thing, try putting on $10K in Arb. trades a day with the bookmarks. You will get capped at around $500.00.

Anyway, I like doing my Forex Arb. trades better. It beats this 10% a month crap, that you are gettin all slap happy about. Yeah, yeah. I quit trading the futures and commoditties markets, too. I found my niche. I am against MLM's.

Have a great Thanksgiving. :woohoo:

[Soylent Purple]

I thought ZeroRiskArbitridge charged about £149 per month (about $260)?

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Hey loser boy... If you have been trading Arbs. for three years before RFP, then why would you pay $139.00 a month when you can get better Arb. trades for $39.00 a month from Zero Risk Arb.? Why are you promoting RFP with your link? That's because you have that MLM mentality. I did not go though any HYIP trash forums, to approach RFP. I did this through email and my sponsor. After numerous attempts and no answer to the questions, then, I posted the details in here. You are reacting because I am exposing RFP for what they aren't. The aren't doing pooled trades; they aren't going to pay you in a year for your units or you block of, what is does it cost, $600.00 for a block? They aren't going to provide a real statement or anything. Yes Arbs are provided, but not cost three times too much. I am smart business man. Do the math.

In my statement I said it's best to do your Arb. trades. In doing your own Arbs., I would rather pay $39.00 a month and get a ton of Arbs. everyday VS paying $139.00 a month for :rant: the Sure Bet Pro Arbs. Quit beating this up and trying to figure it out. You are too defensive. That tells me you know the truth. Allow the truth to set you free.

Again, as a member, I couldn't get questions answered. Why would I stick around and do trades off or their software, if nobody answers my emails? Who cares about this hidden inside Arb. trader BS. If that's where the $600 for a unit of managed Arb. funds, don't you have the right to speak with a trader or a few of them? Maybe even see a real statement? I am not asking for their, SSN, actual trading Acct. name and Acct. numbers. Don't you find it odd, that this MLM part of RFP is a hidden mystery? The reason for the $139.00 charge each month is to be able to pay the Amway up and downline commissions, right?

We can conclude by deductive reasoning, since RFP is secretative about the $600 per unit pooled block and the high $139.00 a month fees, that there is something wrong. Like you said about why would a company RFP managed, pool fund trader, speak with anyone or provide any real proof of the pooled Arb. trades...(?) Because they don't exist. Oh and one more thing, try putting on $10K in Arb. trades a day with the bookmarks. You will get capped at around $500.00.

Anyway, I like doing my Forex Arb. trades better. It beats this 10% a month crap, that you are gettin all slap happy about. Yeah, yeah. I quit trading the futures and commoditties markets, too. I found my niche. I am against MLM's.

Have a great Thanksgiving. :woohoo:

Funny,

You said it all in your last line, I AM AGAINST MLM's. Face it, you are the typical anti anything you don't agree with crowd, so no matter what I anyone showed you, you would come back and say the same crap as you have.

Again, no one cares if you or anyone joins the pool. Sadly, some were talking about it on forums where it is forbidden, but sadly, that is where you are correct about MLM, many will hype it beyond belief, so we agree on one aspect of your post.

As to it not being real, or not being paid, give us a break, this is not the new HYIP of the week club, this has been well proven to work for thousands, and if you search around, the only complaints are ones form people like you who quit because you couldn't talk to a trader. Bad news travels fast in this industry, so if James was a scammer as you indicate, because few have met him personally, then that illogical equation of yours is a joke.

If we had to meet every person we did business with, I would be out of business for my main business is international, and I cut deals with voices all the time. Many of us have talked with James, and I chatted with him long before RFP as he too frequented the arb forums I was on. He was a respected arb trader within the group, and he certainly knew the business, and if you had talked with him, you would have known that.

Do I care about traders, NO, because that is not where the money is made, nor is it in the commissions. It was for those who could not get up to speed fast enough on their own time or budget limits, and I know many who are earning and getting paid from pool, but most are compounding it as I am as I don't need it. Will this aspect last, no, it was never defined as ongoing, it was simply an incentive to help more people get into business.

If, as you deducted, RFP is a scam simply because you don't understand it, or can't see trader statements, then why isn't the pool allowed to be promoted? Why is it capped? It would be in the best interest of any scammer to build it, hype it, and then run with the money, right? It was only recently introduced, so why wouldn't James have launched pool to start, not add it a year and half later. That is not how scammers operate, they know their days are numbered, and besides, James is making a fortune on subscription fees, and that is why I see this as a long term business, most are not quitting before they begin.

Until you see people not getting paid, your deductions mean little, so why not just admit it, the only reason you waste your time attacking it is because you hate MLM deals, ALL OF THEM. LOL And for good reason, many use pure hype and hoopla, and I hate those as well, but there are exceptions, so to each their own. Overall, I see very little hype or hoopla with RFP posts, and for good reason, the money is in the trading, believe it or not, so overall, most could care less about promoting it, but many are building up their bank with commissions, so it helps, and that is another reason I like the structure, constant improvements are being made, and scammers don't improve their businesses, they wind up, and wind down in less than a year, and I just don't see that here.

Happy Thankgiving to All, Mike
http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Let me guess. You saw them in the software but never actually bet them. If you didn't place any bets they didn't actually happen.

Funny,

Sure, I will let you guess, for that is all you are doing, guessing. Being clueless is fine with me, have fun, you can guess all day long, I could care less what your guess is. LOL Losers are losers because they guess, or haven't you learned that yet? Guess I will guess what games to bet on today, bye bye. (g)

Happy Thanksgiving to all, Mike
http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[jrivas23]

Just speculation,, try the software and see for yourslef if you are up to arbs or not.. For me the software is an excellent tool, i tried to do the arbs myself, and just couldnt do it, when i finally figure where was one when i got there it simply was gone.. if you really want to get into sports arbitarge 138 bucks is nothing, since arbs are small, and you must invest high amounts to get the arbs,, here at least you are doing the work yourself.. and not being scammed..

[DriverDan]

For me the software is an excellent tool, i tried to do the arbs myself, and just couldnt do it, when i finally figure where was one when i got there it simply was gone..
How could you say it's an excellent tool when it didn't work properly for you? Sounds like it's giving arbs that have already been changed.

[jrivas23]

How could you say it's an excellent tool when it didn't work properly for you? Sounds like it's giving arbs that have already been changed.


Nopp.. what i meant is that this happened before, when i tried to do the arbs, without the software, too much trouble to figure them out on the sites that dont give you realtime data...

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

How could you say it's an excellent tool when it didn't work properly for you? Sounds like it's giving arbs that have already been changed.

Funny,

Comprehension problem I see, he said it clearly, MYSELF, as in without software, and he is right, manual arbitration is only as good as you are, and most experienced in arbitrage are running 80% wins, while software shortens the learning curve significantly, and increases win ration to 99%, not bad for a few bucks a month. In your haste to turn any statment into a negative one, all you are proving is your posts are a time waste.

Good luck to all, Mike

[thatsjustthewayitis]

Well I can say i also have talked to James Beattie. Do i know what he looks like, no. I know he sounds Irish and that is Guaranteed. Is he a personal friend, no. But i have talked to him more than any CEO from other investments.

i've seen him face to face, at Goodison Park
(that might only make sense to British sports fans but here's a link to explain; http://www.geocities.com/jamesbeattiewebsite/)

[talkgo]

How could you say it's an excellent tool when it didn't work properly for you? Sounds like it's giving arbs that have already been changed.

The old problem with all the scam arbitrage softwares....

[stearns777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stearns777
I am mesmorized. Anybody in contact with at least a few of the 20 RFP managed traders? I mean their are 20 that handle up to $80K in the units, a piece. Just wondering how they are getting $80K out on trades and making 5% a week to 20% a month? I heard that they will put on $10K of Arb. trades, a day. Is anybody seeing any actual statement or proof of that managed Arb. activity? Can anyone validate?

Please Advise. I am making 12% to 20% a month in my Forex trades. I see my actual statements. I am in control of my money but it sure would be nice to have an Arb. account, going. Those Arb. bets look like a good way to go.



Nobody ever saw that and nobody will ever see that.

The fact is that most of the bookmakers limit the constantly winning accounts, and they limit them really drastically, so the "traders" would have to open up new accounts all of the time, on other names. But there are NO RFP Pool "traders", and this is obvious.

Most of the bookmakers do everything they can to discourage "arbitrages",
and i even talked to a REAL (not a ghosty scam like RFP) company who does arbitrage, and they say it becomes worse and worse every week that it passes by, and they will soon be out of business because of the limitations that bookmakers place when they smell someone is doing "arbitrages"

[Soylent Purple]

The fact is that most of the bookmakers limit the constantly winning accounts, and they limit them really drastically, so the "traders" would have to open up new accounts all of the time, on other names. But there are NO RFP Pool "traders", and this is obvious.

Most of the bookmakers do everything they can to discourage "arbitrages",
and i even talked to a REAL (not a ghosty scam like RFP) company who does arbitrage, and they say it becomes worse and worse every week that it passes by, and they will soon be out of business because of the limitations that bookmakers place when they smell someone is doing "arbitrages"

I'm not signed up with RFP, and Ihave no intention of doing so. But it is a common myth that the Bookies try to shut down Arb traders. I've been doing it for about 3 years (OK, I'm not a fulltimer or anything). And the number of bookies I actually WIN at is tiny. All the bookie sees is 10 loses and 1 win. They love you. e.g. you bet on 3 soccer games, 1 X 2, that is probably 6 to 9 different bookies. You are only going to win 3 of those outcomes. The bookies don't care, as you are losing thouasands.

[stearns777]

I think the Arb. trades are a great way to add some additional income to your bank! I don't see it as a viable way to make $5K to $10K a month. Also, handing money over to somebody like RFP, isn't prudent. I have seen so many con artist, scam deals. BTW, I can smell one a mile away or as with RFP, thousands of miles away. Might as well face it, RFP isn't doing the managed block Arb. trades. What are they saying,or is it what are the upline MLMers saying, " each Arb. trader manages up to $80K and puts out $10K in Arbs. a day."

Too this day, RFP or Sure Bet Pro. has not stepped up to the plate, to my original challenge: To speak with some of the Arb. traders, to see a few real statements, to just f*** ng prove something! Oh and BTW. I have sent over 10 emails to support. Guess what? That's just it. Nothing; no response. Why the hell would anyone promote RFP as a MLM, when they have no trading Dept.? Like a ghost ship lost out to sea....

Did anyone joing DX Gold? How about some of the paid to surf sites, 4daily.con, Sensitive Surf, Mission Hits, Club Auto Surf, or... the list goes on. They all make promises, not even the best frigging Forex trader could deliver. DX Gold was marketed through Matt Gagon at Mazu.com. He's a big phoney, A double ss hole piece of work. Oh yeah.... Now, Matt is marketing RFP and the Feeder Fund, through that piece of crap glossy FXIG deal. They all have one thing in common, privacy issues.

A big red flag, if you can't find them, touch them, feel them, you won't be able to F (figure out what they are doing.) They will surely F (flying flipping rip you off.)

Maybe the Feeder Fund and FXIG are okay. Maybe RFP is great for their Sure Bet Pro Arb. software. It's all about control. You need to have control of your funds. If you don't have control, somebody is going to run with your money, who is in control.

Have a wonderful weekend

You know something.... I read this long forum about a guy in Amway. He gave his life to Amway. He was a diamond or something. He never made any money, he spent thousands on being in Amway, he lost his, wife, family, and home. He lost it all. Yeah sure... Send me your money. I'll Arb. trade it for you. I will make a profit (right in my pocket.)

[talkgo]

I think the Arb. trades are a great way to add some additional income to your bank! I don't see it as a viable way to make $5K to $10K a month. Also, handing money over to somebody like RFP, isn't prudent. I have seen so many con artist, scam deals. BTW, I can smell one a mile away or as with RFP, thousands of miles away. Might as well face it, RFP isn't doing the managed block Arb. trades. What are they saying,or is it what are the upline MLMers saying, " each Arb. trader manages up to $80K and puts out $10K in Arbs. a day."

Too this day, RFP or Sure Bet Pro. has not stepped up to the plate, to my original challenge: To speak with some of the Arb. traders, to see a few real statements, to just f*** ng prove something! Oh and BTW. I have sent over 10 emails to support. Guess what? That's just it. Nothing; no response. Why the hell would anyone promote RFP as a MLM, when they have no trading Dept.? Like a ghost ship lost out to sea....

You know something.... I read this long forum about a guy in Amway. He gave his life to Amway. He was a diamond or something. He never made any money, he spent thousands on being in Amway, he lost his, wife, family, and home. He lost it all. Yeah sure... Send me your money. I'll Arb. trade it for you. I will make a profit (right in my pocket.)

This is a post that went straight to my heart, because it is very concise, very good analyse, very smart, and very deep.

It is excellent, it should be a sticky on this section of the forum :ro_emote_

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

I think the Arb. trades are a great way to add some additional income to your bank! I don't see it as a viable way to make $5K to $10K a month. Also, handing money over to somebody like RFP, isn't prudent. I have seen so many con artist, scam deals. BTW, I can smell one a mile away or as with RFP, thousands of miles away. Might as well face it, RFP isn't doing the managed block Arb. trades. What are they saying,or is it what are the upline MLMers saying, " each Arb. trader manages up to $80K and puts out $10K in Arbs. a day."

Too this day, RFP or Sure Bet Pro. has not stepped up to the plate, to my original challenge: To speak with some of the Arb. traders, to see a few real statements, to just f*** ng prove something! Oh and BTW. I have sent over 10 emails to support. Guess what? That's just it. Nothing; no response. Why the hell would anyone promote RFP as a MLM, when they have no trading Dept.? Like a ghost ship lost out to sea....

Did anyone joing DX Gold? How about some of the paid to surf sites, 4daily.con, Sensitive Surf, Mission Hits, Club Auto Surf, or... the list goes on. They all make promises, not even the best frigging Forex trader could deliver. DX Gold was marketed through Matt Gagon at Mazu.com. He's a big phoney, A double ss hole piece of work. Oh yeah.... Now, Matt is marketing RFP and the Feeder Fund, through that piece of crap glossy FXIG deal. They all have one thing in common, privacy issues.

A big red flag, if you can't find them, touch them, feel them, you won't be able to F (figure out what they are doing.) They will surely F (flying flipping rip you off.)

Maybe the Feeder Fund and FXIG are okay. Maybe RFP is great for their Sure Bet Pro Arb. software. It's all about control. You need to have control of your funds. If you don't have control, somebody is going to run with your money, who is in control.

Have a wonderful weekend

You know something.... I read this long forum about a guy in Amway. He gave his life to Amway. He was a diamond or something. He never made any money, he spent thousands on being in Amway, he lost his, wife, family, and home. He lost it all. Yeah sure... Send me your money. I'll Arb. trade it for you. I will make a profit (right in my pocket.)

Sad,

Sorry you lost your wife, family and home, guess that is why you hate all MLM deals and feel compelled to waste your time grieving over all your losses by venting here over amway. (g)

Better stick with what you feel comfortable with, as in job, because your ranting about not being able to speak to a trader is a lame excuse for quitting. RFP is not forcing anyone into the pool, it was set up as a bonus incentive and has nothing to do with the software or how effective it is.

You don't like giving up control, which is fine, I don't either, but others don't mind and look for the easy way to make money, like you were evidently doing, or the topic would not be beat to death here as it has. LOL Repeat, the pool has nothing to do with software and control of your own accounts, nor would RFP risk a loss with what is at stake.

They earn far more on monthly software fees than the pool is accumulating, so I would think it would be pretty stupid of owner to cut and run with a few hundred thousand when monthly revenues are that or more over and over. This business

End of story,

[chavez]

I think the Arb. trades are a great way to add some additional income to your bank! I don't see it as a viable way to make $5K to $10K a month. Also, handing money over to somebody like RFP, isn't prudent. I have seen so many con artist, scam deals. BTW, I can smell one a mile away or as with RFP, thousands of miles away. Might as well face it, RFP isn't doing the managed block Arb. trades. What are they saying,or is it what are the upline MLMers saying, " each Arb. trader manages up to $80K and puts out $10K in Arbs. a day."

Too this day, RFP or Sure Bet Pro. has not stepped up to the plate, to my original challenge: To speak with some of the Arb. traders, to see a few real statements, to just f*** ng prove something! Oh and BTW. I have sent over 10 emails to support. Guess what? That's just it. Nothing; no response. Why the hell would anyone promote RFP as a MLM, when they have no trading Dept.? Like a ghost ship lost out to sea....

Did anyone joing DX Gold? How about some of the paid to surf sites, 4daily.con, Sensitive Surf, Mission Hits, Club Auto Surf, or... the list goes on. They all make promises, not even the best frigging Forex trader could deliver. DX Gold was marketed through Matt Gagon at Mazu.com. He's a big phoney, A double ss hole piece of work. Oh yeah.... Now, Matt is marketing RFP and the Feeder Fund, through that piece of crap glossy FXIG deal. They all have one thing in common, privacy issues.

A big red flag, if you can't find them, touch them, feel them, you won't be able to F (figure out what they are doing.) They will surely F (flying flipping rip you off.)

Maybe the Feeder Fund and FXIG are okay. Maybe RFP is great for their Sure Bet Pro Arb. software. It's all about control. You need to have control of your funds. If you don't have control, somebody is going to run with your money, who is in control.

Have a wonderful weekend

You know something.... I read this long forum about a guy in Amway. He gave his life to Amway. He was a diamond or something. He never made any money, he spent thousands on being in Amway, he lost his, wife, family, and home. He lost it all. Yeah sure... Send me your money. I'll Arb. trade it for you. I will make a profit (right in my pocket.)


I hate to do this but i am getting fed up with your crap here. This guy actually signed up under me and I have regretted this right from the start.
His story for not going any farther with RFP was a personal issue that I am sure is a bunch of bull. All his ideas that he puts on this forum are all from someone elses information that he gathers on the net and none of it is his own.
While I talked to you over the phone and the constant emails on just getting onto a website tells me you are not to bright. Talking to you was like talking to a teenager. Young, dumb and you dumber. But you sure can spew some bull crap.

With a big bank role and the 15 to 20% a month you are doing in forex, why would you want to do anything else. This is all crap to.


Talkgo why dont you and stearns hook up for a phone conversation and have a hillbilly chat. Because if you think his post was so accurate, you guys have a lot in common and should get together and be dumb together.

I am sorry I had to do this but stearns you gave me no option.


My apologizes to the members on the forum for stooping to this level.


Best Regards,

[stearns777]

Oh no. That last paragraph, was about a guy in Amway. He lost everything, even though he was a diamond.

There are some great opportunities, in here. I like 12Daily Pro; 12DP, is the only one that has paid me well and on time. I lost in some other ones. I am in Studio Traffic, Aussie Earners, Dad n Dave's, and Grand Hits. After these go away, I am done with the surfing game.

I am trading the Forex but with small trades. I am expermenting with buying and hold the currency pairs that pay good interest. Getting this alert service set up, to.

I will start to do some Arb. trading. That looks like the bomb. I would never attempt to let somebody like RFP, do them for me. You have to do you own trading. Otherwise, you'll just keep getting scammed

:banana:

[talkgo]

The Crap from these RFP scammers never end (chavez, wealthwhatever)

They are NEVER ABLE to prove they ever traded any arb at all in their life, they cannoty prove is there a single ghost "RFP Trader", though they keep posting here busllhit, to show just how desperate they are.

[stearns777]

Hold on TAlkgo... I am with you about the RFP scam crap. Chavez and wealthwhatever... They are making 10% + a month doing their own Arb. trades. Just ask then for a crip statement. I believe Chavez said he'll post them. Crap! At least we can get some good software and make a bundle doing Arb. trades, right? Isn't that what RFP is all about, making 2% a day or 10 to 20% a month, no hassle, interest free, Arb. profit, trades?

The good news is, why don't we ask that RFP, Chavez, and whoever, put together a live chat room and let's see some Arbs. I see the Arb. trades are real. Let's put it back on them... All's these RFP'ers have to do is get maybe, 5 or more of the RFP (the managed, $80K guys) traders in a chat room and see some real statements and real action. Can't beat that?

If anyone wants the information on how to do your own Forex Arb. trades, PM me and I will give you the contact information to the expert that has put it together. He charges a one time fee of $90.00, to join his organiztion. He answers his calls, he has posted some of his Accts. with the trades that are on. He has a forum and etc., etc...
Anyway, you set up your Forex accounts; you are in control and put on your trades. Yes. It is labor intensive at first but worth it. On 2% margin you would make 5% a month; on 1% margin 10%, and if you can handle .50% on margin, well, that would be a bit much. You could take in 20% a month but you probably would get stopped out, on one side, too much juggling.

No. I don't have an affiliate link. John says, that anyone who joins and tells them who referred them, he would pay a one time $45.00 referral fee. I don't give a rats tail about $45.00. I would like to see some good people, who have been scammed by some of these high paying, promising wiggets, to get into something that's for real, mate.

You can email me (stearns777@hotmail.com) and I will email you John's website.

I like the idea of getting good Arb. alerts and doing some of those trades. At 2% profit a day or per funds traded on margin, can't beat that. It's just that, everytime I see an RFP site, I hear this annoying, irritating gong or ringing sound. I see some stupid lady's picture on the site. I say to myself, "this looks great; I want to speak with somebody in the home office." I believe you send off an email and an upline person returns your call or email (maybe.) I remember getting no response the first times I attempted to contact them.

:party smi

Have a wonderful day!

[chavez]

Hold on TAlkgo... I am with you about the RFP scam crap. Chavez and wealthwhatever... They are making 10% + a month doing their own Arb. trades. Just ask then for a crip statement. I believe Chavez said he'll post them. Crap! At least we can get some good software and make a bundle doing Arb. trades, right? Isn't that what RFP is all about, making 2% a day or 10 to 20% a month, no hassle, interest free, Arb. profit, trades?

The good news is, why don't we ask that RFP, Chavez, and whoever, put together a live chat room and let's see some Arbs. I see the Arb. trades are real. Let's put it back on them... All's these RFP'ers have to do is get maybe, 5 or more of the RFP (the managed, $80K guys) traders in a chat room and see some real statements and real action. Can't beat that?

If anyone wants the information on how to do your own Forex Arb. trades, PM me and I will give you the contact information to the expert that has put it together. He charges a one time fee of $90.00, to join his organiztion. He answers his calls, he has posted some of his Accts. with the trades that are on. He has a forum and etc., etc...
Anyway, you set up your Forex accounts; you are in control and put on your trades. Yes. It is labor intensive at first but worth it. On 2% margin you would make 5% a month; on 1% margin 10%, and if you can handle .50% on margin, well, that would be a bit much. You could take in 20% a month but you probably would get stopped out, on one side, too much juggling.

No. I don't have an affiliate link. John says, that anyone who joins and tells them who referred them, he would pay a one time $45.00 referral fee. I don't give a rats tail about $45.00. I would like to see some good people, who have been scammed by some of these high paying, promising wiggets, to get into something that's for real, mate.

You can email me (stearns777@hotmail.com) and I will email you John's website.

I like the idea of getting good Arb. alerts and doing some of those trades. At 2% profit a day or per funds traded on margin, can't beat that. It's just that, everytime I see an RFP site, I hear this annoying, irritating gong or ringing sound. I see some stupid lady's picture on the site. I say to myself, "this looks great; I want to speak with somebody in the home office." I believe you send off an email and an upline person returns your call or email (maybe.) I remember getting no response the first times I attempted to contact them.

:party smi

Have a wonderful day!

Stearns, where do you come up with this stuff. I have talked to you on the phone and sent emails and PMs and posted on here and in any of those I have never told you or anyone else that i was making 10% a month Arb trading. If you go back over your emails and these posts you will see that I am only in the pool and have not traded real money with the software.

Please, start getting it right.

And talkgo if you have not read his posts, states that he will show his profits but has yet to do so. So take his comments lightly because he can not prove anything he posts.


Best Regards,

[eighT]

there are thousands of scams created every new day.

if we would take our time to invest money with all of them, we will:

1.lose our money
2.waste our time
3.make the scammers richer every day

it takes few hours to create a website like RFP. chavez, good luck getting your money back from them, although i higly doubt you will get anything at all back

[Linging]

i think chavez is a great guy

[tjpartners]

I see "Risk free" profits are a trendy scam these days... :nono:

To clear things up:


Arbitrage might seem like betting's equivalent of the Holy Grail. If the punter profits whatever the result of the sporting event, betting becomes risk-free, right? Wrong! No form of gambling is entirely risk-free, not even arbitrage. That fact that it is frequently and wrongly acclaimed as being so is perhaps partly due to the use of the term "sure win". There are numerous difficulties associated with arbitrage betting that can and do eat into the profits, sometimes with potentially disastrous consequences.

The first issue to consider with arbitrage betting is stake size. The majority of arbitrage opportunities are limited to only a few per cent at best. Consequently, stakes have to be large to secure any form of sizeable profit. In the example illustrated here, an outlay close to £100 was required to win £4.31. If a punter wanted £43.10 instead, total stakes would have to be nearly £1,000. In itself, this should not present a problem, provided the punter has at his disposal enough liquid cash to place the bets or make deposits with different online bookmakers. The first difficulty arises, however, if a bookmaker imposes limits on the maximum size of a stake. Since an arbitrage bettor's stakes are likely to be larger than most, this problem may occur quite frequently. A punter, for example, may successfully place his two bets on Greece and Ireland, only to discover that he cannot place a £285.70 stake with Bookie 3 on the draw, which limits him to £200. He is then left to sweat on the result of the match, which if drawn will lose him £171.20. Incidentally, the match finished 0-0.

Perhaps a more significant and ongoing problem concerns the effects of deposit and withdrawal costs, and in some cases currency transaction costs as well. For certain types of deposit, and with a number of internationally based online bookmakers, these additional costs can amount to anything from 1 to 5%. Given the usually small percentage profits available, these costs can potentially wipe out any guaranteed profit that is generated through the arbitrage. Of course, a punter can limit the number of deposits and withdrawals he makes but, given the large stake sizes and the number of bookmaker accounts he will require to be able to benefit from arbitrage opportunities that arise, none but the very wealthiest of punters will be able to have the required capital locked away in online accounts. With most arbitrage opportunities offering little more than 1 or 2%, one might assume that to earn as little as £300 per month from at least one winning arbitrage each day would require up to 20 online accounts, each with perhaps £1,000 available to spend. The wealthiest punters, of course, are unlikely to be interested in earning a few extra pounds through arbitrage betting.

A further problem arises with the currency of the betting account. Most online bookmakers now allow a choice of primary currency, with pounds, US dollars and euro all available. However, some of the smaller bookmakers may only permit transactions in one currency. If the currency used to make up one bet differs from that used to make up the others, a very careful calculation of currency conversion will be required to ensure that the appropriate stakes are used to secure the arbitrage profit. Of course, currency rates fluctuate by the hour, and even small mistakes made in calculating the equivalent value of one currency in another can eat into or wipe out the "sure win" return.

Finally, there is the issue of postponed sporting events. Under certain circumstances, postponed events may be rescheduled for within a few days of the original fixture. What a bookmaker does with bets placed on these matches will then depend upon his rules as set out in the terms and conditions. Some bookmakers may decide to void all bets placed, and reopen the book for the rescheduled event. Others may feel it appropriate to leave existing bets to stand. For a football match a punter may then be left with two standing bets and one voided bet. If the new book then offers a different set of prices from the original ones, the possibility of arbitrage may disappear. Again, the punter will be left to sweat on the result.
Everthing listed in your post has been covered in the free Live Training provided by RiskFreeProfit and I can address any specific question! There is a means to minimize your loss, which is kept to a level that is easily recovered in a trade or two.

Why Arbitrage and "Risk Free"Profits can easily cause you to lose all your money ...Total Bull!
There is nothing except for collapse of the internet or collapse of civilization that can cause you to lose all of your money! In a very rare instance you could lose all of your money in one bookmaker if he happened to go bankrupt! We've been in RiskFreeProfits since 7/04 and have yet to see that happen!
Best Wishes,
Tom

[buster06]

this thread answers a lot of questions regarding the shady business of RFP and whould be made a sticky

[buster06]

it seems sports arbitrage, even if it doesn't really work, creates an aura of mystery and attracts a lot of people

[resic]

what i find interesting is that there are a lot of free services that offer arbitrages. but RFP scam makes the most advertising and attracts the most naive people

[lobster]

Hey watch ur mouth before calling people scam ok. We din force u to join RFP it is ur own decision whether to join or not. And yes there are a lot of arbitrate program out there but so far there are not as effective as surebetpro offered by RFP. u want better service u gotta pay. Agree?

[GDB]

While I agree SBP does much better than any free service, I disagree that it is "the best" in the business.

[aegist]

From my experience many professional arb traders beleive Zero Risk Arbitrage is at least one of the best service providers, but they are also considerably more expensive than RFP...

In my experience SBP has been more than satisfactory. It provides a constant stream of arbs (of course varying from a couple of low ones, to hundreds of low ones, sporadically showing some high ones...the natural rhythm of bookmaker odds) and lets you do what with them...quite simple really. Where is the scam? The pool? Don't invest if you don't trust it...not your problem. The MLM..thats standard MLM, don't recruit people if you don't like it....seriously, the only thing that SBP needs to be considered on is the arb trading...and trading arbs is up to the end user, not SBP. Does Sports Arbitrage work.... Abso-Fing-lutely. Can you do it? Spend a few months studying it and then a few months practicing it, and I bet you can. Jump in with your eyes closed and your wallet open and expect to lose money. Its all up to you. Stop blaming the providers.

my 2 cents

[MilaN]

i think you are just ignoring the facts

[aegist]

sorry..who is ignoring the facts? Me, or the starter of this thread?

[MilaN]

I see "Risk free" profits are a trendy scam these days... :nono:

To clear things up:


Arbitrage might seem like betting's equivalent of the Holy Grail. If the punter profits whatever the result of the sporting event, betting becomes risk-free, right? Wrong! No form of gambling is entirely risk-free, not even arbitrage. That fact that it is frequently and wrongly acclaimed as being so is perhaps partly due to the use of the term "sure win". There are numerous difficulties associated with arbitrage betting that can and do eat into the profits, sometimes with potentially disastrous consequences.

The first issue to consider with arbitrage betting is stake size. The majority of arbitrage opportunities are limited to only a few per cent at best. Consequently, stakes have to be large to secure any form of sizeable profit. In the example illustrated here, an outlay close to £100 was required to win £4.31. If a punter wanted £43.10 instead, total stakes would have to be nearly £1,000. In itself, this should not present a problem, provided the punter has at his disposal enough liquid cash to place the bets or make deposits with different online bookmakers. The first difficulty arises, however, if a bookmaker imposes limits on the maximum size of a stake. Since an arbitrage bettor's stakes are likely to be larger than most, this problem may occur quite frequently. A punter, for example, may successfully place his two bets on Greece and Ireland, only to discover that he cannot place a £285.70 stake with Bookie 3 on the draw, which limits him to £200. He is then left to sweat on the result of the match, which if drawn will lose him £171.20. Incidentally, the match finished 0-0.

Perhaps a more significant and ongoing problem concerns the effects of deposit and withdrawal costs, and in some cases currency transaction costs as well. For certain types of deposit, and with a number of internationally based online bookmakers, these additional costs can amount to anything from 1 to 5%. Given the usually small percentage profits available, these costs can potentially wipe out any guaranteed profit that is generated through the arbitrage. Of course, a punter can limit the number of deposits and withdrawals he makes but, given the large stake sizes and the number of bookmaker accounts he will require to be able to benefit from arbitrage opportunities that arise, none but the very wealthiest of punters will be able to have the required capital locked away in online accounts. With most arbitrage opportunities offering little more than 1 or 2%, one might assume that to earn as little as £300 per month from at least one winning arbitrage each day would require up to 20 online accounts, each with perhaps £1,000 available to spend. The wealthiest punters, of course, are unlikely to be interested in earning a few extra pounds through arbitrage betting.

A further problem arises with the currency of the betting account. Most online bookmakers now allow a choice of primary currency, with pounds, US dollars and euro all available. However, some of the smaller bookmakers may only permit transactions in one currency. If the currency used to make up one bet differs from that used to make up the others, a very careful calculation of currency conversion will be required to ensure that the appropriate stakes are used to secure the arbitrage profit. Of course, currency rates fluctuate by the hour, and even small mistakes made in calculating the equivalent value of one currency in another can eat into or wipe out the "sure win" return.

Finally, there is the issue of postponed sporting events. Under certain circumstances, postponed events may be rescheduled for within a few days of the original fixture. What a bookmaker does with bets placed on these matches will then depend upon his rules as set out in the terms and conditions. Some bookmakers may decide to void all bets placed, and reopen the book for the rescheduled event. Others may feel it appropriate to leave existing bets to stand. For a football match a punter may then be left with two standing bets and one voided bet. If the new book then offers a different set of prices from the original ones, the possibility of arbitrage may disappear. Again, the punter will be left to sweat on the result.


i guess you did not read at all what the EXPERTS are saying

[MilaN]

aegist, you did not read.

read what talkgo said. and he is 100% right!

[websafecash]

aegist, you did not read.

read what talkgo said. and he is 100% right!

In my experience, talkgo is 100% WRONG. I never heard so much bull in my live.

aegist is 100% RIGHT! At least he knows what he is talking about. All of the possible scenarios discussed in this thread are covered in RFP's training. They teach you how to deal with this and how to avoid making any mistakes. Of course if you jump into arbitrage trading without any training you will loose your money. You don'thave to be a rocket scientist to know this. I can see how someone would start traiding without the propper training and loose a lot of money. Hell, start doing anything (Forex Trading for example) without propper training to see if you are going to do well, of course not. You need training. Training is the most important aspect of arbitrage training.

Experts, give me a break! talkgo has never placed a trade in his live. He doesn't know anything about arbitrage trading or how it works. Please do not give your opinnion on something you don't know anything about, you are just misleading people.

This whole thread is hilarious! :lolol:

[lobster]

Totally agree with that...some people just cant stand to see other people earning.

[brook_m01]

I average about £100 a week, thats about $180 or so! Never lost!....touch wood!

[alexeow]

I average about £100 a week, thats about $180 or so! Never lost!....touch wood!

LOL! Don't worry and no need to touch wood if you follow the guide properly. :D

[sharon]

so you make 400$ per month, and you pay $140 to RFP each month.

and all your work, your sleepless nights, all that value only $260 monthly? Can you even feed your kids with $260 per month?

pretty pathetic

[lobster]

U totally dun understand the situation here girl..How must u earn in arbs trading depends on how much capital u got. If u got 10kUS capital i recon u can earn about 1 to 2k US permonth. It depends on how much time u spend on it.

[aegist]

It depends on how much time u spend on it.More accurately, it depends on how much time you are available for it.... If you sit at your computer 'waiting' for arbs, then you are a sorry site indeed. But if you have the volume up and that alarmbell ready...then you can do anything. You can relax, watch TV, play computer games...do whatever you want. You're work totals a max of 3 minutes at a time when you are required, and the money you make from that short burst of work is well worth it.

Sleepless nights. Pfft....How I wish I would be allowed by my fiance to have sleepless nights again.

[chavez]

LOL! Don't worry and no need to touch wood if you follow the guide properly. :D


Hey alexeow,

You would just have to reach up and touch your head if you wanted to touch WOOD!!!:lolol: So a bat to your head would be like Wood on Wood.

You know I am just kidding . Right?

(Inside Joke everyone)


Best Regards,

[brook_m01]

Hey alexeow,

You would just have to reach up and touch your head if you wanted to touch WOOD!!!:lolol: So a bat to your head would be like Wood on Wood.

You know I am just kidding . Right?

(Inside Joke everyone)


Best Regards,
Lol, i hope so, sounded quite insulting from here.

[muie]

guys, rfp is scam, you have better things to do with your life

[belge]

well, it is not 100% scam, but it is a complete waste of time and money

[aegist]

Its fine that you both beleive each of your respective beleifs, but don't you think that if you are going to tell everyone in a public forum your beleifs that you should justify them???

Everyone who has posted about RFP/SBP so far has said "I like SBP Because..." while as soon as someone is negative about it, they don't seem to think they need a reason to say so.

Why is SBP a scam?
Why is SBP a waste of time and money?

Shane

[lobster]

Just ignore them aegis... There are just some spammer that want to earn more post in order to PM.

[SPiNMe]

when you have fixed games, and sure at least +100% profit for your money, who care about rfp and sh*tty 1% at the end of the week

[SPiNMe]

i wonder how can a ponzi scheme like rfp fool so many people

[chavez]

when you have fixed games, and sure at least +100% profit for your money, who care about rfp and sh*tty 1% at the end of the week

If I am not mistaken I have yet to see any of you Fixed Game scammers come out with win after win. You would think that with " Fixed Games" how could you ever miss. Even with the way i feel about all your "Fixed Games" I will not go to your threads and tell you what i think of them.

Makes you think now does it not?

I will stick with my small % steady profit.


Best Regards,

[Loke]

last week there were 6 fixed games written about for frewe here on this forum, and all 6 of them came true.

it seems you are heavily disinformed, chavez

[chavez]

last week there were 6 fixed games written about for frewe here on this forum, and all 6 of them came true.

it seems you are heavily disinformed, chavez


Maybe there was 6 games that made it but out of all you fixed game pros who is anyone suppose to trust.

If you read all the posts and different threads about fixed games it is hard to believe anyone.

I am sure there are fixed games somewhere but who here has gained the respect to follow them.


Best Regards,

[hyiphh]

good luck to all------

[pottack23]

in rfp luck makes no difference - you lose your money anyway

[nicemans]

Mucho69, I like to start Arb trading. For a beginner like me can you recommence some quality and needed bookmakers for this trade. I only have $5000 to spread between them and how do i allocate my resources.

Thanks
www.thegodtips.com (http://www.thegodtips.com)

How many people want RISK-FREE PROFITS? Awesome global business opportunity with a revolutionary software product that automates Sport's Arbitrage Trading and "takes the gamble out of betting" creating WINNERS.EVERY TIME!
try this SUPERB LOOPHOLE software ...
well
AC MILLIAN WIN with last 3 stupid goal !!!

from nicemans

[aegist]

How many people want RISK-FREE PROFITS? Awesome global business opportunity with a revolutionary software product that automates Sport's Arbitrage Trading and "takes the gamble out of betting" creating WINNERS.EVERY TIME!
try this SUPERB LOOPHOLE software ...
well
AC MILLIAN WIN with last 3 stupid goal !!!

from nicemans
OMG nicemans.... Where did you get this information from? Its incredible.... You mean you can actually make risk free profit from online gambling... by covering both sides of a game??!?!? AND MORE, you can have it automated for you by software?!?!??! NOOO WAY!!!!!!:banana: :birthday:

Remarkable.

(your powers of deduction are truely remarkable. You simply cannot waste them here while villans are getting waway with crimes at this very moment, Go Go for the good of the city! - comic book guy, Simpsons)

Shane

[snotb4ll]

I think arbitrage trading is a good way to make money. I signed up with RFP and have been making over $300 a week from there software. I have no problems with it. Also there pool is another good way I find making money. Yes there is and MLM side to it but only if you want to build it. RFP does not make you money from the MLM side. They allow you to use there software and place trades. This is where your going to make your money.

I am very please with RFP. Although the support can lack, and they dont give much help sometimes. I find If you take the time to read over the guides, and learn how it works which doenst take long you will find yourself making profits in no time.

Go to Arb Trader (http://www.arbtrader.net) and learn everything you need to know about arbitrage trading.

[Pinkblue1]

300$ is not worth the amount of work and time you have to spend daily with their risky arbitrages.

i make weekly 8,600 dollars and i only place few bets every day. But most of them wins. Thanks to the best tipster i ever known

[NeilKelty]

So would you reccomend staying out of this market? I am new to this type of thing. I haven't used anything yet.

[Apu N.]

You need a lot of capital to spread around to the books. The deposit and
withdrawal fees will wipe you out if you don't have alot of money.

Also its not risk free if the teams tie.

[mike_lim]

yes exactly, i have been doing RFP for 2 months, and ended up with some loss. NOT WORTH IT

[aegist]

Funny, I have been trading for about two months and had some losses, and I think it is worth it.

I recommend anyone who wants to find out about it should read around enough before they get involved in anything, and don't go into it with the wrong expectations.

Arbtirage trading is a profession, and a high paying profession for the time involved, however you can't go and throw money at it and expect to make tons. You have to learn the profession, gain experience and then start making the money. If after two months experience you have decided it is not worth it, then you unfortunately you have approached the proffession with the wrong expectations, or were simply completely missinformed.

Get informed before you get started.

[tg365]

i make weekly 8,600 dollars and i only place few bets every day. But most of them wins. Thanks to the best tipster i ever known
I'm interested, pls PM me. Tks

[lobster]

300$ is not worth the amount of work and time you have to spend daily with their risky arbitrages.

i make weekly 8,600 dollars and i only place few bets every day. But most of them wins. Thanks to the best tipster i ever known

I can only say --> ha ha ha on this statement. Never heard 1 tipper is accurate. but a lot of my friend believe this and trust the tipper, well they may win a few matches, but they end up losing even more. Now they are cursing those tipper lol.. U have ur choice dude, whether to do arbs trading where profit is guarentee if u got enough capital and time, or u can go gamble with ur luck with the help of so called tipper. Ur choice really :).

[mggr1975]

For everyone in this thread who is a part of RFP I truly do wish you all the best. Now, let me tell you why I do not like RFP. The fact that they have never EVER returned my trading pool funds, even after a year of correspondance leads me to believe that they are just another bunch of corporate thieves. So for heavens sake members of RFP, do not, at any stage, tell the company you are ceasing membership and want your trading pool funds returned. As far as my experience with them is concerned, you can kiss your pool funds goodbye. To add insult to injury, my testimonial is part of their website. I wholeheartedly retract anything positive I have ever said about the company.

Once again, good luck to all who are already in it.

[GlobalPunters]

I think alot of peoples mistakes are beleiving that tip's are gauranteed, this are just someones "guesswork" and should never ever be treated as a sure thing.

[aegist]

well that is unfortunate to read. I have not yet corresponded with RFP at all really, althoguh I plan on getting closer to them in the coming months if I can. I hope that your problem will be resolved mggr1975 when they start paying out everyone else. I sincerely hope they are not theives, because obviously I am invested in their honesty. Time alone will tell i guess.

[mggr1975]

Whilst I have nothing against Arb trading, I must question as to why you would promote your site in a thread that is totally off topic?

[tg365]

I think arbitrage trading is a good way to make money. I signed up with RFP and have been making over $300 a week from there software. I have no problems with it. Also there pool is another good way I find making money. Yes there is and MLM side to it but only if you want to build it. RFP does not make you money from the MLM side. They allow you to use there software and place trades. This is where your going to make your money.

I am very please with RFP. Although the support can lack, and they dont give much help sometimes. I find If you take the time to read over the guides, and learn how it works which doenst take long you will find yourself making profits in no time.

Go to Arb Trader (http://www.arbtrader.net) and learn everything you need to know about arbitrage trading.
Thanks for sharing your experience. But for how long have you been trading to generate $300 per week and how much is your bank? Your sharing will put things in better perspective. Thanks.
:feedback:

[lobster]

stupid spammer...has reported him...

[mike_lim]

with RFP you can lose a lot and make if you are really good, around 2% profit at the end of the month.
which is completely not worth anyone's time.

with soccer fixed games, i make +100%-+300% profit in just one day.

But again. that's just me...

[aegist]

Yeah, and after watching closely a few 'fixed games' from this forum, I have already seen 3 of 4 games lose, even though one of them was 100% gauranteed fixed game put your bankroll on it... and it lost. Hmm. Is the risk worth it? I prefer the certain profit method... but, thats just me.

[lobster]

Ha ha..aegis u are so kind to pay attention to these people :). If they have fixed game guessed so accurately. They should become billionair in no time, and yet they are still here lol. No easy money every1. Earn it in the hard way or lost it is the easiest way.

[mike_lim]

Yes, because on this forum came some scammers (Javier and others) and ruined the reputation of fixed games.

You cannot become a millionaire in no time BECAUSE BOOKMAKERS IMPOSE A LIMIT (usually around 1000-2000 euros) that you can bet on one single game !

[lobster]

well. there are about 100 trustable bookmaker online u know (a lot more small one). Betting on one side on all of them and u can be a billionair in no time. Btw I am not going to argue with u on this ok? If people tend to believe they can keep winning according to 'tips". They ought to learn it from the hard way the truth.

[aegist]

yeah, SPinMe, the guy who gave the tips just recently had bet 18,000 on his latest fixed game. Since it was wrong, he didn't mention the 18,000... so I don't even know if it was true.

[MilaN]

http://thesurebetproscam.com/ says it all. you will all lose your money with this ponzi scam scheme that is RFP

[lobster]

can u pls read up the post first before u start crying "scam" everywhere. That site has been discussed many times already.

[zirconium]

no it didnt, you lobester-scamster RFP bull****ter:

http://thesurebetproscam.com

This site should be a sticky in this forum.

NOONE WAS EVER PAID FROM THE RFP SCAM!

[lobster]

Well thats getting personal u know :). Had file a report.

[zirconium]

i will do the same. you advertise a proved scam, that paid NOONE in more than 1 year . when it surfaced in scamworld

[lobster]

:). Ya I am promoting RFP because I like to scam people without getting pay :). And all RFP member are promoting RFP because they are not getting pay. Satisfy? ;)

[myk816]

Yup Lobster, that's great! It's what these clueless people want to hear all the time so let's give them what they wanna hear then..... RFP is a scam! I also keep getting paid so I am very sad that I keep getting scammed. :)

[SPiNMe]

no it didnt, you lobester-scamster RFP bull****ter:

http://thesurebetproscam.com

This site should be a sticky in this forum.

NOONE WAS EVER PAID FROM THE RFP SCAM!

i know also that people who get paid from RFP are only those who extend the downline, that means: bringing more and more naive losers into the ponzi scheme.

[Moneysucess]

RFP is a great program for me so far.
100% no doubt.

Leave the clueless people who know nothing about RFP.

[SPiNMe]

RFP is a great ponzi scheme, who pays you ONLY for extending the downline, but everything is a fake.

The software does not work and nobody uses it, and it is just a very well organized smart S C A M

[TimeInvestor]

looks like we have alot of ex rfp members here.
:)

[myk816]

These clueless pathetic people are angry and soooo envy of successful RFP members and I wonder why..... so die of anger and die of envy!!! Now let's see who's got a nice fat bank account among them. Send me a scanned copy of your bank statement(s) and I'll send you mines as I did previously with this other clueless guy. Who knows maybe these new cluless guys are just the same person (with several TG nicknames & emails) who cannot show me a single copy of his bank statement (after I sent him mines as per our agreement) in another RFP thread.

[TimeInvestor]

Relax Myk816.
Dont let this repeat itself again.
Let them be.
:)

[Ventrue]

I'm just starting on sports arbitrage but I am willing to invest on me because it feels promising. In any case, I have some questions:

1. How much is needed to really start the business?

2. Is it true that the transaction cost or fees impose by bookies removes the earnings from odds?

3. How much do bookies averagely charge?

Pls. help me out. Thank you very much. By the way, I'm willing to join a pool if need be.

My email address is pilot.major@gmail.com.

[myk816]

E-mail sent Ventrue :)

[bryndis]

Hello all.
I must agree with mucho69.
It is amazing how many people are willing to call RiskFree a scam when they have never tried it. I recomend you try it first for one month before you call it bad names.
I decided to try Arbitrage trading in November last year and it works fine. I am careful and I trade on average only once a day (takes aprox. 20 - 30 min). I am happy with 1 - 3% profit.
By starting with $500 and only 4 bookmakers and not withdrawing my money but compounding I will end up with aprox 30.000 in one year (20 days a month, 240 days a year, 2% profit on 500$ start capital on average). This is a simple math. I am seeing this happening.

I walk a way from many arbs if they are not to secure. So can you. You have ample opportunities to find more (many thousunds a day). Don´t judge the software (SureBetpro) until you have tried it. Of course you will make mistakes but you will learn from them and they can only make you a stronger trader.

I am a 45 year old woman and I new nothing about arbitrage trading, let alone sports. But I did not let that stop me. I realized that the company is only renting me this software. I am in control of my money. I can choose from 90 bookmakers and if the company closes then I will just collect my money and quit the came. No money will be lost. The company does not care how much money you make by using the software. They just want the rent money. So how can that be a scam? If you don´t make more money than the cost of the software then don´t rent it!!!! simple - right!

Don´t listen to those negative, fanatics. Remember some people post messages on these forums because they are religous fanatics who are against betting. Arbitrage trading is not betting! You always win if you follow the rules and use your brain. Just be careful and play it safe. There is nothing wrong in making 100 - 300$ a day - spending money.

Sincerely
Bryndis
With greetings from Iceland

[optimist1419]

Nice post Bryndis. I am checking into Surebetpro now. Keep us updated about how things are going

[muie]

nobody can be envious on a scam and a ponzi scheme, where everyone loses their time and their money. RFP is one of the smartest scams, where you invest your time and money and only lose. And all you desperate RFP promoters, $139 from the new naive people you lure in into your scam is the only money you will ever see from the RFP brain Master scammer

[tg365]

... There is nothing wrong in making 100 - 300$ a day - spending money...

hi bryndis, please substantiate and explain how to make 100-300$ per day. Tks

[muie]

noone makes this money. noone can post one single proof.

it is a complete ****ty scam!

[aegist]

Sigh. Go tell that to all of the professional arb traders in arbforum.co.uk

Or how about talking to the profesional arb service ar abitragepro.com. Are OddsAndBets.com, www.zero-risk-arbitrage.com, www.sportspunter.com, www.oddsexplorer.com, www.betbrain.com, www.tipex.com, www.arbhunters.com, www.ucantlose.com all scams too? Just because SBP uses MLM to find new clients doensn't make it a scam. It just makes them more effectively advertised. Congratulations to them.

Muie. Save your uneducated posts for some other thread please. Research your topic before you post. SureBetBookies is a good starting place and it links to most other places online with real information about arbitrage trading. Read that, and follow some links. Its really not hard to find out about.

Shane

[pottack23]

because they pay all those sites to advertise them, doesn't make RFP scam legitimate at all

[lobster]

Just ignore them aegis..As with other...Since talkgold modurator arent banning them effectively, I think we have to use our own way :). Lets just treat them as invisible man ;).

[muie]

aegist, lobster = scammers, they should get banned. Post proofs now that you made one single succesfull arbitrage, or get lost and never come back, scammers!

[muie]

of course you never did.

you just get paid 139$ for every sucker who gets sucked into your PONZI scheme, so you are desperate to advertise your sad scam here

[aegist]

Just ignore them aegis..As with other...Since talkgold modurator arent banning them effectively, I think we have to use our own way :). Lets just treat them as invisible man ;).
ROFL. You are completely right. There is no point pay7ing any heed to them, their posts speak for themselves. There is no point replying when they make themselves look like idiots.

[Ventrue]

Thanks for the email myk816. I really appreciate it. By the way, great post bryndis. I quite interested on the operational level of arb trading, especially with the time frame you've mention. Is this an average time that you've usually spent on finding arbs? Do you find arbs before a scheduled game?

By the way, I'm now starting at arb trading and I think it really works but just like all business it would make the person a millionaire in one day. Its tedious and time consuming. But in the end very fullfilling.

Keep it up!

[aegist]

You need to place an arb within a few minutes. Once it is placed, you may spend a couple of minutes verifying it, then a few minutes updating your arb record (I use Excel). So all in all, less than 10 minutes per arb in my experience. Waiting for arbs really isn't work, i just minimize SBP and sportspunter while I go about other work. I know when there is an arb by the audible alarm.

You are certainly right about it not happening in one day, but I wouldnt call this tedious work.

Shane

[mucho69]

ok children, rfp lesson 101, if you dont know by now let me explain what time it is. its the one year anniversary of thr rfp pool, what that means is last year more then 2,000 people originaly bought shares in the pool including me, this is a conservative number, i bought 6 shares, now i have $3,500 in my pool account, lets do the math, 2,000 people times $3,500 = over $7 million dollars payout rfp has to make and thats only for one month, lets be realistic here and not children, have fun with the software but you aint getting sh1t back, including me.

[aegist]

unless they lied about the returns they are getting each month, then there shouldn't be a problem. If they were bringing in 4% of their total pool each month, then they have many many millions of dollars in the trading pool. It doesn sound like a lot though, and I have trouble comprehending how they could be trading that much day in and out, but well, we'll find out soon enough.

Shane

[tg365]

unless they lied about the returns they are getting each month, then there shouldn't be a problem. If they were bringing in 4% of their total pool each month, then they have many many millions of dollars in the trading pool. It doesn sound like a lot though, and I have trouble comprehending how they could be trading that much day in and out, but well, we'll find out soon enough.

Shane
I have the same question, you guys out there care to throw some light?

When is RFP expected to pay out 1st year's compounding? Anyone?

[Sports]

I've been following these RFP threads for about a week now and I can't help but reply to your question....
We estimate that it takes between 6 to 10 weeks to withdraw capital from our trading accounts without disturbing the trading. Our set-up is done in a way that we do not want to create any problems for our traders and they can work in peace.

RFP has until now covered all costs related to withdrawing the non-compounding profits. We can cover this because the costs so far are still small and the amounts quite restricted. There will, however, be costs involved in withdrawing the compounding profits where the payouts are larger and the work more complicated and involved. We estimate that this will be between 4.8. to 5.2% in total. We will have the specific rate ready before the end of the first 12 months compounding cycle on 28th March 2006.

Please remember that RFP does not profit from RFPool and will NOT do so in the future. This is a service provided for our members so that they will have leeway to learn and master SureBetPro in their own time.

[DJones79]

I've been wanting to get involved in this but never had a big enough bankroll to make it worthwhile. Once I have a good 20k to play with, I'm in there.

[lobster]

we are not to discuss about the pxxx in public...Pls send us a PM if u want to know more about it.

[chavez]

One week left in a 52 week period.

It seemed like a long time but the amount that is in there looks really good.
Now it is just to see how long it takes before i get it.


Best Regards,

[lucareal]

you will have the worst surprise from your life - you will not get paid and finally, you, the last one, will understand you lost XY,000.00 USD to a ponzi scam: RFP

[myk816]

Lucreal why? How did you know that RFP is a scam? Are you basing it just because of that surebetproscam site which has been discussed over and over? pls. elaborate.

[lucareal]

Noone Ever Got Paid.

[chavez]

you will have the worst surprise from your life - you will not get paid and finally, you, the last one, will understand you lost XY,000.00 USD to a ponzi scam: RFP


I could venture a guess on who you really are but I really do not care.

Thanks for caring though about my investment and the company I chose to invest with.

I do like the the way people care about others when it comes to certain topics and how they want to to let them all know how much of a scam it is.

They only thing I do not like about it is the come with no proof.

In the end if I get scammed I will be sure to let everyone know. But for the past year and some I have no proof to call it that.


Best Regards,

[myk816]

Noone Ever Got Paid.
Rest assured I'll be one of the first to post an RFP scam if what you are claiming is indeed true lucareal.

[Ventrue]

Aegist, I'm interested in your excel.. Can I email me? or pls. email me at pilot.major@gmail.com. Hope we can exchange ideas in order to improve our methods or system in doing arb trading.

With regards, to SCAM time will only tell but ARB TRADING in general is a sound venture. Oh well, you need to love it though to enjoy it. :)

[simplyeminent]

i myself am interested too, how can i contact you?

[Ventrue]

I think ARB is here to stay forever...!

[mike_lim]

let's get serious.

noone makes any money with arbitrage, you will only lose your money and get your bookies accounts blocked

[McZapZap]

http://cyberspacecowboys.com/archives/53

[MilaN]

You can almost count on anything Tommy the Tool joins as being a possible scam. Tommy uses both Veretekk/Intekk and Probuilderplus to promote RFP/Surebetpro or what he briefly called "the Del Mar Institute".

Here is some reading for now, more as the pieces begin to fit together.

http://www.sportsarbitragereview.co.uk/7667.html
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/bin/group.cgi?group=371
http://thesurebetproscam.com/
http://www.*******************/showthread.php?t=1455&page=4
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r34643-.html

Read a bit of the online marketing pitches from two affiliates yourself:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r81062-.html
http://www.detailshere.com/riskfreeprofit.htm

RFP charges $139 a month for their software. They claim that you can make 1-3% per trade using this software. Doing some rough math here, you are going to need to place $5000 in bets PER MONTH to get the $139/month you pay to use the software. (that is if the bookies end up paying you in the end, that responsibility lies with you…)

Of course if you just get some other people to join too, and they start paying $139 a month, you can defray that $139 a month you pay and possibly make some referral commisions. Of course they need to get people to sign up too so they dont have to pay the $139/month either…and so on….

Come back for more as the story unfolds. Currently RFP should be getting ready to pay the people that have been investing in the "betting pool" side of this potential ponzi for the past year. They have been under DDOS attack according to cheerleaders causing some of the delay…

(eta) We have begun investigating the claims of RFP being under DDOS attack. The DDOS attack excuse is often used by collapsing ponzi's as the reason that payments can't be made and that the progam is closing. The scammers claim that due to the DDOS attack, payments from new member signups cannot come in and thus the program does not have the funds to pay out the people already paying into the system.

RiskFreeProfit.com has put up a page in front of the main page that gathers your IP info before allowing you to procede. This is apparently one of the measures that they put into place to thwart the DDOS attack. Attempting to return to the site later, and either several of our IP's are blocked, or the new security measure managed to break every affiliate site. It's odd though, because we can bypass security and go straight to this page on the domain:
http://www.riskfreeprofit.com/sbpmovie/surebetpro.htm

Is the DDOS attack real?

Well lets start by looking at the alexa webstatistics for traffic to riskfreeprofit.com:



http://yyhhcc.blogspot.com/2006/04/hyip-sites-under-ddos-attack-wiredsurf.html

We are curious what happened to http://www.surebetpro.com/links.php ?? Oh wait, here is part of it:
http://surebetpro.com/kevin/welcome.htm
http://www.surebetpro.com/bo_errorpage.php
http://surebetpro.com/flash/rfp_wide.swf

Did RiskFreeProfit.com make surebetpro? I can't be certain but I thought RiskFreeProfit was based out of ireland. Surebetpro seems to have been based out of india back in 2004.
http://surebetpro.com/SBPT&C.html

[aegist]

I will email you venture, and Simplyeminent, goto http://www.sportsarbitrageguide.com and use the contact screen. Any of those emails will reach me.

Thanks for reposting the same thing posted by McZapZap...You should indicate where your post came from, I thought you ahd gone and actually done some work. You simply copy and pasted from the link ZapZap provided.

So much to reply to, so little time. The list of links provided are almost irrelevent. sportsarbtiragereview.co.uk is a well known marketting site for ZRA (http://www.arbforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1118155727) to play down their competition, while thesurebetproscam.com I wouldn't be surprised was simply an extension of that site since that was the first thing 'Alan Seymour' referred me to when I started emailing him and told him I used SBP. I can post the emails we exchanged if you wamt....

How members market a network marketting concept is somewhat out of the control of the company. Network marketting will always have that problem, and it will always attract comment. I wish peoplew ould get over it: Network marketting is LEGAL, it WORKS, and if you don't like the members efforts, then bad mouth the members directly, not the company. The company can't control what every member does. Its like going to walmart and being served by an incredibly rude person in checkout. Do you say "OMG that was the msot rude person ever?" or do you say "OMG, walmart are the most rude company ever. I'm going to tell everyone I know not to use them". BTW, thats a rhetorical question, I already know the answer. Try to be consistent in your methods, just because some members get eager, or a bit over the top, doesn't mean 'the company is a scam'. That is a non-sequitor and so a bad argument.


LOL...$5000 bets per month..lol, thats easy. I can place that in a week, and I only have 2.5k invested into my trading pool. Wait until you build your pool up to $10k - $20k...wow, i wonder how much money you can move through the bookies then.

And who is the writer of this article to question the integrity of these bookmakers??? The nerve of this guy. if you want to know whether sportsbooks are reliable or not go to http://www.sportsbookreview.com/. I really wish the writer of this article knew what he was talking about. While some bookmakers out there may not be reliable, anyone who had a clue would use sites like SBR to avoid them... its not difficult.

As for the imminent payout of the pool and the DDOS and the potential ponzi, I can't soundly defend that, ebcause they haven't paid out yet. I have previously (I am sure even in this thread) defended them on the premise that their software is comparable to, and more often than not, BETTER, than all of their competition: Why would they destroy that market advantage with a scam? It is simply illogical. Makes no sense. Bad bussiness. Stupid.

And what is going on with that last section: Did RFP make SBP? WHAT??!??!? RFP freely admit that SBP was made in india. Yes RFP operates out of ireland....Yes they are the same people.

Shane

[pottack23]

There were some people here expecting their payment from the RFP Pool.

They were supposed to get paid since March. Did anyone at all get paid?

[aegist]

I am a member with money in the pool, I am still waiting to hear when the first payments have been made. I assume RFP will announce it themselves. I know they postponed them for 8 weeks or whatever, and then there was the downtime. It should be any week now right?

[ripz]

good thread, doesnt look good for RFP though.

i hope you all manage to get your money back

[aegist]

It doesn't look bad yet, its just taking longer than expected. Besides, the pool is just on e thing they offer, its no wonder the company didnt want people to talk about it, everyone is talking as if the entire existance of the company is resting on this one thing.

[eighT]

so noone ever got paid, and it is already 1 yeard and 2 months passed away.

and it doesnt look bad to you? LOOOOOL

[aegist]

Not when the investment term is 12 months, the time to get funds into the pool is 3-4 weeks, and the time for payout from the pool is 8 weeks...No, 1 year and two months without payout seems pretty expected.....

[Sports]

Yes the company already informed all their members about it.... It's indeed 1 year and 2 months so relax and it's just around the corner.

[zirconium]

obvisouly, no money will be paid.
come on people. WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!

[aegist]

obvisouly, no money will be paid.
come on people. WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!
Whats to wake up about? If the money is already in it, all we can do is wait....

This continual emergency maintenance, DDOS attack, upgrade to protect against DDOS... there seems to be another reason every day. Its very discouraging. I still hope its all true.

[MilaN]

at least do not continue to advertise a scam... that's the least you can do...

don't you see it's the same bull**** alll MLM ponzi schemes ae fedding you up with?

this one made at least 7 million USD out of you poor souls who wanted to get scammed!

[TravisBickle]

Anyone here know anything about Sorcex ?? I believe it too is definitely a scam. I got this off a site..

Description
"Sorcex is something a little bit different. Funds are generated through arbitrage sports bets, so rates are not pie in the sky. You are looking at a variable rate that can reach over 2% a day. Minimum investment is $25 and max is $200 (per day). You have to get in fairly early in the day to make your spend as they limit the amount of transactions per day. Investment period is for 20 days. It is a relatively new program, it just started this year, but if the claims on the site are true then it should have a very long future."

[aegist]

Sorcex has nothing to do with RFP or this thread.

How can a product which delivers on its promise for the price it is advertised at be a scam?

Answer me that and I might listen to you.

[weddings]

I tried a couple of things like this too, recruited a few people and didn't get paid, tried the arb service and never made any money from that either. Personally I wouldn't recommend getting involved in any kind of arb service that's based on an MLM structure for recruiting new customers. If you're primarily interested in arb trading there are much better, and much cheaper, solutions on the market for doing it.

For the last 7-8 months I've been using a software program called "Value Horse Finder" and you honestly can't beat it......

http://www.bettingbots.com/resources/arbitrage_trading/arbitrage_software_tools/value_horse_finder.php#body

The support is excellent and there's a really good community forum you can visit if you have any questions. Their other product Bet-IE is also very good.

[weddings]

I just visited your site there Aegist and it's excellent! Great information!

[TimeInvestor]

He's always bringing value to people.
:thumbs up

[wocza]

at least do not continue to advertise a scam... that's the least you can do...

don't you see it's the same bull**** alll MLM ponzi schemes ae fedding you up with?

this one made at least 7 million USD out of you poor souls who wanted to get scammed!

it may be a little too late for you to write RFP = scam, because everyone got scammed already and noone can get their money back

[aegist]

Thanks a lot for the positive feedback weddings, but the site is still very new and there is heaps more work to go into. I look forward to the years to come!! :)

[TimeInvestor]

it may be a little too late for you to write RFP = scam, because everyone got scammed already and noone can get their money back
Glad that i joined RFP since Sept 05.
:party smi

[TimeInvestor]

Thanks a lot for the positive feedback weddings, but the site is still very new and there is heaps more work to go into. I look forward to the years to come!! :)
You deserved it.
Nice forum about arbitrage you have here. :thumbs up

http://www.*******************/index.php?showforum=153

[wocza]

TimeInvestor (aka aegist aka weddings) is talking with himself :) ROTFL

[noise]

well you can make good cash betting on for example tennis, take a look at the game Clijsters - Kuznetsov (In-Play @betfair) at the moment. i bet in the beginning $50 @3.0 on Kuznetsov to win, five minutes later $90 @1.7 for Clijsters to win, so I will get $10-$13 profit out of it. yea there is a risk that you will not get such good rates but if you watch the game and the rates and make your bets in the right time you can get some cash out of it.

[aegist]

well yeah, speculating on the changing of odds is a completely different ballgame to arbitrage. Arbitrage is guess free, and knowledge free. You just get the numbers and use them... you don't need to know anything about the sport or who is playing let alone watching the game

[echang01]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, after reading through 23 pages of stuff i've realised that...........

- indeed no one has posted screen shots of them receiving money.

- I'm pretty sure only computer literate people would use sport arbitrage stuff, not your average girl next door would know anything about this stuff, so even if it was too big for the forum, you'd have some place to host the images and provide a link. If you don't know where to host photos, i can tell you at least half a dozen free sites that do, otherwise goto google.com and search for 'free photo hosting'

- Indeed, the members that are awaiting their payments haven't posted nor updated which shows that they are quite ashamed about their claims previously, and for those who joined later etc, time will tell

- I'm not sure whether this is a scam or not, but a real life friends has told me about this and his brother's into it. I didn't accept his offer on this stuff, but i'm waiting for him to lose money or even get a cheque. If he does, i'll definitely post it on this web site or host it, but for now, let's just say he's being conned (which seems quite unlikely coz he's the type that isn't susceptible to these schemes, but nevertheless, we all get fooled)


So there we have it............

Electronic proof of you winning an arbitrage is only half the picture
so, we need to see that cheque in your hand, or we need to see SBP/RFP chuck money in your real bank account etc to know if this is worthwhile =)

I guess many people will look at this forum for the next few months, and see if that chavez guy and all the rest of them post or not........... and for those reading this forum........... that have spent the last hour or so reading it like i have........... be sure to let the rest of your friends know to start from these pages to not waste their time hehe

=)

[aegist]

Thanks for the summar echang01. I have several screen shots of my trades, but as you point out, these are only electronic winnings. Besides, they are only a few of the trades I have done, and usually the profits are only small, so if i post 5 pictures of succesful trades, chances are the total value won in those trades would be less than $50 and hence not impressive in themselves. Nonetheless, overall, the process of making many small trades and growing a larger account is a worthwhile task and something I willingly do. If you want, I will post links to all of my screenshots here, however if you try hard enough you will find most of them already hosted and posted in other threads/places (atm some of them are used in my personal reviews of arbitrage alert software on my website. Follow the link to user comments and read the posts...)

As for receiving real cash in hand money, yes, I am one of the new people who still has to 'wait it out'. Been in RFP for a bit over 3 months now and the money we have recieved, we haven't withdrawn out of the electronic form. We have received our bonuses into IGX, our arbitrage trading profits have been realised in our bookmaker accounts which we transfer easily into Neteller.

So, the reality, yes we have already made more money than we have spent on this, but no, we ahven't withdrawn any of it to actually spend. That is a personal choice because spending every few dollars we make seems pointless when you can take a long term frame of mind and work until you have thousands. Give it time, and I will post when I am there.

BTW: With Neteller, we wouldn't get a cheque... we would get a debit card and simply withdraw money from an ATM...its hard to show evidence of that in a forum.

Shane

[TimeInvestor]

Hi All

Unfortunately the Commissions calculations is taking longer that
we thought because of combining the 2 weeks together. It will take us
another 24hrs to complete these calculations

We apologise for any inconvenience


Best Wishes

RFP Admin

[echang01]

Hey aegist, thanks for the little clarification as well, I understand that there's a lot of people out there who are probably scared to join this thing because it sounds like a "too good to be true" typa program, where you somehow put money into some pool, just like you chuck money in a bank, but somehow it grows a lot faster and it's probably impossible etc


In any case, i guess the main thing is to wait for people who DO have funds in the pool, to pull it out and actually use it. Now, if this person ACTUALLY received funds, they'd tell everyone. The only person that would tell a lie and say that HAVE received funds would be someone who wants others to join under their name, because otherwise it would be pointless for someone to join under a different name, when you've tried so hard to deceive someone.

In any case..... i don't want to prejudge this program etc, so i'll gladly wait the 24hrs or so that these RFP admins are quoting, but i'm guessing it'd probably drag on a little longer, coz even banks don't get back to you in 24hrs when they tell you so.


Oh, seeing i don't know too much about this particular program, you said that you receive a debit card and you can use it like any other bankcard and withdraw funds from ATM or use it via eftpos etc correct? That's an interesting way to give people money. I'm just thinking about the costs they would incur to produce all those cards and to give everyone accounts and to set up all that.... it's interesting.... not impossible i must say, but yeah....... could you tell us a bit about this pool?

What's your max contribution and what's the return like? What options do you have when investing it and what's bad about pulling out early?

[aegist]

Hey aegist, thanks for the little clarification as well, I understand that there's a lot of people out there who are probably scared to join this thing because it sounds like a "too good to be true" typa program, where you somehow put money into some pool, just like you chuck money in a bank, but somehow it grows a lot faster and it's probably impossible etc
Yeah, I understand that completely. 4% per week IS too good to be true, but the two things to remember about RFP is that 1. The trading pool is not the product, its a member only benefit which people may choose to opt into or not. 2. There is no guarantee about the profit. I think this makes it incredibly safe because if they can't get the returns they are after, then they can just stop trading and pay out what everyone is owed, unlike all of the HYIPs out there who promise 10% per week or whatever and then keep going at negative cashflow until they drive themselves into the ground.

Since the very concept behind this trading pool makes sense, and since there are no promises, I have confidence in it. I am not however promising that it is completely legit... I can't do that :)

In any case, i guess the main thing is to wait for people who DO have funds in the pool, to pull it out and actually use it. Now, if this person ACTUALLY received funds, they'd tell everyone. The only person that would tell a lie and say that HAVE received funds would be someone who wants others to join under their name, because otherwise it would be pointless for someone to join under a different name, when you've tried so hard to deceive someone. Well everyone should know at this time that the first payment out of the pool should be happening umm.. today???
Hi All

1) The weekly commissions will be paid out tomorrow
2) Payout for Period 12 of the trading pool will also be paid tomorrow

Best Wishes
RFP Admin
I think I got that yesterday...so as USA is currently waking up, I guess we should start hearing about payouts from the pool...


In any case..... i don't want to prejudge this program etc, so i'll gladly wait the 24hrs or so that these RFP admins are quoting, but i'm guessing it'd probably drag on a little longer, coz even banks don't get back to you in 24hrs when they tell you so.

Oh, seeing i don't know too much about this particular program, you said that you receive a debit card and you can use it like any other bankcard and withdraw funds from ATM or use it via eftpos etc correct? That's an interesting way to give people money. I'm just thinking about the costs they would incur to produce all those cards and to give everyone accounts and to set up all that.... it's interesting.... not impossible i must say, but yeah....... could you tell us a bit about this pool?
OK, well, actually, I don't know if the pool will be paid out into the IGX account, I guess it would be since thats where the commisions are paid out into, but I'm not certain. IGX, btw, is an independant company which handles billing and payments etc. Like Paypal and Ebay, EBay was paypals alrgest client and then they bought Paypal (i think thats how it happened right?) I think RFP would be one of IGX's biggest clients, but I'm not certain about that exact fact. Nonetheless RFP get IGX to take care of all of their Commision payments (which is why commision payments were still coming out on time when the rest of RFP was offline due to DDOS attacks etc.

Anyway, IGX, like Neteller has its own debit card which simply works with already existing ATMs worldwide. I don't know how hard it is to set such a thing up, but Neteller has done it, and so too has IGX.


What's your max contribution and what's the return like? What options do you have when investing it and what's bad about pulling out early?
I don't ahve money in the pool personally. My best friend does that found out about RFP (4 of us are contributing equally to the subscriptions and our own personal trading pool, while my friend gets the pool profits entirely).
He has $600US in the pool. You can ....oh, the first rule of the trading pool, is you cannot talk about the trading pool. LOL I'll PM you.

[TimeInvestor]

you are the man shane.
:thumbs up

[echang01]

hmmm, i don't have PM access yet, but anyhow........ i guess i'll just have to wait for people to actually get their hands on their money and then we'll start talking more hehe

[aegist]

hmmm, i don't have PM access yet, but anyhow........ i guess i'll just have to wait for people to actually get their hands on their money and then we'll start talking more hehe
Can't you even receive PM's until 25 posts??? I thought you would be able to receive at least...

email me if you want me to send you the info again admin@surebetbookies.com

[lobster]

Nice to see someone is actually asking question with facts :). Btw just to clarify --> If u dun trust RFP, then just do the trading urself ;).

[echang01]

oh my bad, to clarify, i received your pm, i just can't reply to it that's all hehehe =) but indeed, i guess no one's pulled out of the fund, etc, so we'll all just have to wait =)

[pottack23]

--> If u dun trust RFP, then just do the trading urself ;).

that's like saying:

well if you do not trust the lethal injection, just try the electric chair for yourself!

[aegist]

No....its like saying "If you dont trust managed funds, then try trading stocks for yourself."

The point is, RFP provides a product, the product works without doubt, when you pay the subscription fee, thats what you get. If you trust the company, then invest in the 'too good to be true' offer, if you don't trust the company, then don't invest in it. It's really that simple.

I'm with RFP because I was excited by arbitrage trading, and that is what I do with it. I'm not personally invested in the pool, and I am still waiting for confirmation that anyone has even received payout yet. (First payout should be today....) I've said it before, I'll say it again: I have a personal beleif that they will pay out and continue paying out as long as they wish to run a pool, but I have no solid conclusive evidence for it.

Shane

[pottack23]

RFP does not give anyone' money back. they ran with 17 millions USD and you come here to say bull****?

[echang01]

those posts don't do anything pottack23, the delay and waiting time of the payments to their 'dedicated' members is already a testiment to the doubt everyone has at the moment

[pottack23]

yes, because obvuiously RFP admins come posting here advertising their huge scam RFP: aegist = lobster = TimeInvestor. Praising one another, and writing fake lies and fake testimonials

[aegist]

As usual, posting meaningless rhetoric pottack, only detracts from your supposed message. Back up any of your comments with facts and proof (as I have done numerous times) and someone might actually listen to you.

For me, this is the last time i acknowledge your existence until you can do as I have recommended. Show evidence for something.

[pottack23]

proofs? 17 millions gathered in RFP pool ponziscam, and NOONE GOT PAID. And you are a complete nobody, a low scammer from RFP gang of scammers

[echang01]

and still waiting....

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Haha....Most of my team members had receive their payment as i dont because we need at least 2 active personal sponsor to upgrade.
As they are unable to upgrade due to the site down.
Will keep you update.
Stay tuned.

[echang01]

still waiting =)

[resic]

you will be waiting forever.

if they wanted to pay everyone, they would have paid everyone already

but RFP scammers will obviously never do that