Any UK Members (or anyone) tried Betwise.net?

[wirehive]

Im on the brink of forking out for this and was just wandering if anyone has tried it out?

They have a system to pick lays on horse races using the betfair website.
They have proof there system earned 25K (or something close, cant quite remember) in a year
Any comments would be appreciated

Thanks

[Vizap]

never seen that system before but i have always been afraid of laying systems i have a couple of laying systems but i never used them.

[buster06]

especially on horse racing, where they are rigged so many times... it is the most dangerous thing you can do with your money

[Amcnaught]

wirehive i'm uk and haved used a tipping service now for 3 days that has predicted 9/9 lays (all short priced) and has also had fantastic back results aswell.

i looked at betwise myself but i am always wary when i see a system advertised in adwords (google sponsored ads) and with such high returns promised. just do a search for a betting systems and see how many similar scammy looking sites appear on the right.

for me their win (or lose rather) rate is a bit too high and they also dont actually have any proof just a word document that could be made up.

having said all that they could be perfectly good who knows

[eighT]

which is the site that gave you 9/9 wins ?

[Vizap]

yeah AMC i am interested in that tipping service also.

[irishwhisper]

wirehive do they offer a free trial, if they do then take it and paperbet it for the free period, if they dont then be wary of them.

[irishwhisper]

ive had free trials from a few tipsters, chromaweb,the daily lay, the way to lay,prolays uk,most just about break even then ask u for a big fee for future tips, the best i had was garylays, managed 2 get info from him for 2 weeks and was well up, hes not a service like the others just a gambler who emails a few people info. dosent charge much either.

[Vizap]

i think betwise shows you how to pick the horses its not a subscription service.

[irishwhisper]

ahh yes just had a look,looks decent £49.95. 2 alternatives and less expensive 2 is, horseracingsystems.co.uk and garylays@hotmail.com
the first is £25ish and has a variety of systems and a members forum with all selections posted daily. 2nd mentioned is gary, with him u get a 2 week trial then i think he charges a token amount of £15 a month.

[Vizap]

hmm the horseracingsystems page seems to be down. will give the gary guy a shot see what happens, thanks.

[wirehive]

Thanks for the replies!

hmm the horseracingsystems page seems to be down. will give the gary guy a shot see what happens, thanks.

I did a quick search on google and I think he meant horseracingsystemsuk.com havnt read it through properly but I definately will check them both out before paying for betwise.

Also, do any of you use betfair? How do you rate it?

Thanks again

[irishwhisper]

http://www.horseracingsystemsuk.com
thats the link mate. also if u email garylays@hotmail.com
heyl tell u about his service and staking plan so u can decide if u want the free trial.
as for betfair its the easyest 2 get bets matched as its the biggest.

[Amcnaught]

the web site is www.rajpatel.co.uk

the deal i did was to buy his 2 books and these give 4weeks of tipping service free. that way even if the tips are no good i still have the books. last 2 days lays have been 2/4 so bit of a dip.

also as a completely free option try listening to sportslive radio. the guys on that give very good tips also. address for that is http://www.sportal.com/

[Vizap]

well the only thing is you need a big bank to make profit with laying systems i asked betwise.net how much of a bank you need to do 25 per lay and they said you need to multiply by 200 so you need 5000 to do 25 per lay bet. Of course you can start with a smaller bank and just do smaller bets and just build up to that but might take a while.

[Vizap]

the web site is www.rajpatel.co.uk

the deal i did was to buy his 2 books and these give 4weeks of tipping service free. that way even if the tips are no good i still have the books. last 2 days lays have been 2/4 so bit of a dip.

also as a completely free option try listening to sportslive radio. the guys on that give very good tips also. address for that is http://www.sportal.com/

does this guy give winning tips or laying tips, seems on front page he bets to win.

[Amcnaught]

he gives both vizap

folks, found a free laying site: www.dailydonkey.com

[buster06]

good Amcnaught. Exept for the fact that they have fake records, and they only want you to impress you so you join betfair through their referal link, nothing else...

[buster06]

well the only thing is you need a big bank to make profit with laying systems i asked betwise.net how much of a bank you need to do 25 per lay and they said you need to multiply by 200 so you need 5000 to do 25 per lay bet. Of course you can start with a smaller bank and just do smaller bets and just build up to that but might take a while.

and of course, you can take a losing strike and go in debt and then bankrupt ;)

[Amcnaught]

are you sure the records are fake? i mean they have a full list of horses out every day and i check the results. whats your proof they are faking the records?

[astronauco]

Can someone explain how these systems (the betwise.net, dailydonkey.com, etc.) work exactly?

Are their records fake or not?

[Amcnaught]

regarding daily donkey i have no idea if their entire records are fake because i have not been following them for long enough. i did however follow the results for saturday 21st january and i can confirm the results published for this date are not fake

[wirehive]

well the only thing is you need a big bank to make profit with laying systems i asked betwise.net how much of a bank you need to do 25 per lay and they said you need to multiply by 200 so you need 5000 to do 25 per lay bet. Of course you can start with a smaller bank and just do smaller bets and just build up to that but might take a while.

ok this has confused me. why do you multiply by 200? betwise dont use odds any lower than 8/1 so a 25 lay would lose you 200quid. surely then you'd only need 200 quid in your bank to make this lay, not 5000?

[Amcnaught]

what it means is to have 200 times in order to survive a horrible losing run. i think its highly unlikely however a bank of 200 times would get wiped out. i would think 20 times would be enough.

[alaves]

i can confirm that dailydonkey cheats in their records. all the times when they lay a winning horse, they write there the odds were much much lower.

instead of 6.80 they write 4.50 and so on. this is why every month they are in "profit", instead of a big big real loss. it is just another cheat site

[Amcnaught]

i'm going through my records and comparing them with dailydonkey's and their isnt much discrepancy in fact in some cases their odds are higher on winning horses

[Vizap]

I think it just depends at what time you place your bet, exchanges tend to change very quickly in their odds.

[Amcnaught]

one idea could be when you lay your bets a bit lower than the current going rate then when/if the prices go down someone will pick up your lower value. cos i've noticed that whenever i back or lay a horse ten minutes later the odds can change quite dramatically against my favour.

[Amcnaught]

actually what i've just noticed is i think dailydonkey quotes odds based on the SPs but we all know that betfair's odds are higher than this.

[irishwhisper]

gave the wrong email address earlier in this thread 4 the garylays free trial. its garylaybets@hotmail.com
only realised when reading thru the thread again, i asked if i cud post a few sample lays in here but he said as he offers a free trial he would rather not have picks posted in a public forum.

[tomo]

Please see my reply to the topic here (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=504305) regarding the "Betwise" system and why it won't work.

[Betty-Boo]

Please see my reply to the topic here (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=504305) regarding the "Betwise" system and why it won't work.

I bought the Betwise system last month and I've been very impressed with it; they've got a work-around for betting on the exchanges so that the difference between exchange prices and SP is irrelevant to their results.

I would personally recommend it because I'm over £800 in profit since I started, and also because they were very helpful when I phoned them.:alright:

[Amcnaught]

does the workaround involve some kind of trading where you back it at a higher price and lay it at a lower one?

also, do they tell you which horses to lay or do you have to figure them out yourself?

[Betty-Boo]

No, their work-around involves a method of clawing back the difference between SP and the exchange prices (they refer to this as overlay). Its well explained and has worked ok for me so far.

Its a system so you follow a 3 step process to choose which horses to lay, but its pretty straightforward.

[sportfan]

Anyone use the IPIRACING method? Seem to be very good. UP TO 25/11/05 - 458 RACES - 453 LOSES - 5 WINS = 98.90% SUCCESS RATE.
But is very expensive for me - £395.00 (www.ipiracing.com)

[talkgo]

"THIS HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST BETTING SECRET TO EVER COME OUT."

i find this very funny, each scam site claims to own the biggest secrets, each and every time :)

[daily donkey]

Hi Guys - just for the record we don't have 'fake' records. We use SP prices and these prices are achievable.

I'd make two points :

1. we record all results - including the big drifters that go on to win. We can lay a selection at low odds, but if he drifts & then goes on to win we record the higher SP price.

2. The figure that is quoted most often is that Betfair prices are 20% better than SP.

This is what Betfair claim in all their advertising - and it's true. But favourites & 2nd favourites aren't priced 20% higher than SP.

Next time you use Betfair have a look at a horse priced around 20/1 with a traditional bookie. The Betfair price will be 25.0, 30.0, 35.0 or more. A 50/1 selection? Betfair price? 80.0, 100.0?

Prices on these outsiders are easily better than 20% above the traditional bookie, more like 30, 40 or 50%.

So, if on these outsiders you beat SP by so much, what about the very short priced selections on Daily Donkey?

The sp prices are there; the selections can be laid at the proper prices.

Don

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[Johnoxo]

Nice to see an actual tipster reply, thanks Donkey

What dailydonkey says is correct. The lower the odds the nearer to SP prices you can get at BF. If odds are fluctuating then you may actually bet at odds lower than SP, which is a bonus if your laying but not if your backing

I am a member of Horseracingsystemsuk forum & Goodbet forum and others all of which are free, and if you ask around you will see many differing opinions on various tipsters. There are plenty of free tips available, one person in particular comes to mind on Horseracingsystemsuk forum a chap in the Todays Lay bet forum by the name of Johnoxo is doing well, he's had 69 tips in 11 days and made 30 points profit ....lol....winks

I have tried all sorts of systems for both laying and backing and all with varying degrees of success/failure, one thing is for certain very few will acheive constant results, month after month and year after year, as you will always have good times and bad times, I usually try a new tipster at a good time only to be then struck with the worst time on record for that particular tipster, but a lot of people say that, so I mustnt be the only one that is jinxed

I think someone has already mentioned this but....
The thing to do is to try and grab a free trial and then paper trade it for yourself and if you feel comfortable with the system/tips and the cost involved then subscribe, if your not comfortable then just walk away.

Lots of tipsters promise you £100's and £1000's for £x a month/week, but you have to ask yourself a question. If they are that good then why are they selling it? Surely they could make just as much using their own system and own money. Those tipsters that proclaim to have the biggest secret in gambling are instantly dismissed by me. I dont do the hard sell

The way to get my cash is to prove to me it works.

[dx4getit]

I have just been over to look at your results Johnoxo and must say I am impressed :)

[cliveey]

Anyone use the IPIRACING method? Seem to be very good. UP TO 25/11/05 - 458 RACES - 453 LOSES - 5 WINS = 98.90% SUCCESS RATE.
But is very expensive for me - £395.00 (www.ipiracing.com)
I sincerely hope you have not parted with your money. I can give you the essentials of this system right here. Basically look at the individual horses on oddschecker, prior to the off. If most of the boxes are turning pink and the price is drifting on Betfair and its not a favourite, lay it. He says its best not to lay higher than 20/1,which is good advice since it indicated winners up to 50/1 when I paper traded it!!! In fact I did consider that it might work well for backing purposes. Magically, non of the failures will ever appear in his results. I even sent him screen shots of these qualifying failures and his only comment was "interesting". However, he refused to honour his money back guarantee.
But it gets worse. He gave a free month of his daily lay service and at the end of it took £145 out of my account without my permission.
Amazingly. this "company" accidentally sent an e-mail to one of the victims with their entire subscriber base!! I was contacted along with the others and the gentleman did a survey, finding that 95% were disatisfied
and over 50%, including himself had money swiped from their accounts.
He has kindly taken it on himself to help all individually and possibly collectively to gain refunds.
Might be difficult as one subscriber tracked a website of his to an address on the Spanish coast.
By the way, the daily lay service always showed half the available odds on winners. Obviously to improve results. Always 2nd favourites, which I believe he backed down himself to lay off. December had 13/27 winners at prices over 4.5. Four consecutively. Wish I could find a backing service like that!! Yet last time I
checked, his results showed 100% perfect.

[irishwhisper]

garylaybets@hotmail.com
thats the man to be with theres a free trial on at the moment until the end of february. not very much to join after either.

[Linging]

it is easy at horse racing to get a lot of winning bets, but when you lose, you lose at 8-10 odds so it wipes out completely your bank. this is why there are so many scams involving lay bets in Horse racing