Anybody know the best sports book?

[blackgod]

I just registered with dnd's picks, and goldkeygames.com, but, I don't know where to go to actually place the wagers, and make the bets! lol, I'm completely clueless! :)

[cashflow]

BigDawg suggested www.playersonly.com to me, and I will probably make an account there today or tomorrow.

let us know what you do and how it goes.

gold-dott

[BackwardsMan]

Go to playersonly and read their tutorial on betting. They explain all aspects of it.

[imported_Guest]

Which trusted SportsBooks accept E-Gold as a form of payment?

Brian

[sputnik]

fonbet accepts e-gold. They are good. Have used them before. However nothing beats gamebookers for user friendliness and coolness :D Wish they accepted e-gold tho :angry:

[Killua69]

Im not certain about the ones that use e-currency, but Ive been with Olympic Sportsbook for several years now. They're known throughout the industry to be THE best. Check em out at thegreek.com Good luck and be carefull. Its not as easy as everyone here is making it out to be.

[BackwardsMan]

fuelsaver, gamebookers sucks. They don't take college football bets. How could they not take college football bets?

[sputnik]

BD i think you are mistaken. They do have NCAA bets..in fact i bet on a few games in the past couple of days (preseason) and will be doing more this weekend.

Please have a look at them. I used them even during last years ncaa football season :huh:

[BackwardsMan]

Ok, they didn't have last week USC vs Va Tech. That's why I thought they didn't do college football.

[BucWheet]

Take a look at this guys.

I LOVE their interface. It's very easy, with the types of bets clearly explained.

20% deposit bonus too for Super Bowl by Visa/MCD or Neteller:

http://www.betempire.com/welcome/dae45d.html

(Of course you don't need to use that link but it will allow them to know that you came from TalkGold and give further special offers out to people here later if people sign-up from here.)

Let everyone know what you think of it...

[kaitlyn11]

http://www.pinnaclesports.com

Good Luck beating them, though.
One of the sharpest books out there.

[BucWheet]

Originally posted by Mr.Blonde@Feb 3 2005, 02:32 PM
Good Luck beating them, though.
One of the sharpest books out there.
You can never beat the book per se. They set the line so that they always make their juice (commission) unless the game goes really against them.

The best you can find are lines that haven't changed when they should have, (in response to injury reports, results of other games, etc).

But if you know the game and teams then you can become a great handicapper, like Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal the real man who was played by Robert DeNiro in "Casino".

Then you can pickup consistent wins and use more exotic bets like parlays.

Anyway I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here...

[BucWheet]

Originally posted by Mr.Blonde@Feb 3 2005, 02:32 PM
http://www.pinnaclesports.com
One thing I've never understood that about most books out there like Pinnacle, their crude software means you have to deposit first before you can even look at the bets.

BetEmpire.com (http://www.betempire.com) is different because you can actually go to the site, an make as many bets as you like using their easy interface without registering or depositing a dime.

So you can play around and experiment as much as you like, and then register and deposit after.

It's the way of doing things I really like.

So go ahead and play around with it, then if you like it deposit using that link I gave you in the post above so they know you're referred from TalkGold.

[kaitlyn11]

Originally posted by Nick Nack@Feb 4 2005, 11:08 AM
One thing I've never understood that about most books out there like Pinnacle, their crude software means you have to deposit first before you can even look at the bets.

That's incorrect.

You can see their lines without logging in, as you can with most sites. The lines might change, of course, by the time you do log in.

[BucWheet]

Originally posted by Mr.Blonde@Feb 4 2005, 04:00 PM
That's incorrect.

You can see their lines without logging in, as you can with most sites. The lines might change, of course, by the time you do log in.
That might be, but I'm not a sharp and I like to be able to just go to the site and enter the bets I want and see how much I might win for the different types of bet without actually placing them for real or depositing.

Call it a 'bet and win preview' I guess.

I've not seen that anywhere except for BetEmpire.com

[BucWheet]

Mr Blonde,

Even if Pinnacle offered like BetEmpire:

* 20% Initial Deposit Bonus
* Free $20 NBA Picks contest entry

With BetEmpire.com just go there to any screen and click on BET there at the top and go from there....

Hah, bet you can't do that at Pinnacle (or anywhere else)!

[kaitlyn11]

I recommended Pinnacle because they always pay, have the lowest juice and they aren't going anywhere.

FWIW, I would stay on the main street with the big shops and leave the rinky-dink shops to those who want to win and then get stiffed. Stay with Olympic, Pinnacle, Grande, CRIS, Cascade, Pinnacle, Canbet, these types of shops.

Also, check out SBR for some ideas.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com

[kaitlyn11]

Oh, and by the way, SBR rates BetEmpire as an F-, in their words "Outright scam, book on brink of failure. No chance to recover funds"

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Ratings+on...s+/default.aspx (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Ratings+on+over+400+Sportsbooks+/default.aspx)

[BucWheet]

Mr Blonde,

Thanks for bringing SportsbookReview.com up.

I'm no sharp player but even I know it's primarily a shill site for the gentlemen that run Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP.

Ratings:
...
C- to C+ Good, minimal risk to players funds. Above average
D- to D+ Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc
F to F+ Caution, extreme risk to players funds. Possibility of a scam
F- Outright scam, book on brink of failure. No chance to recover funds

Obviously I'm in agreement that BetJamaica/Olympic is an 'A' book, but otherwise how can you take its ratings (and the site) seriously when they rate the following books like this:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Ratings+on...s+/default.aspx (http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Ratings+on+over+400+Sportsbooks+/default.aspx)

Betonsports D+ www.betonsports.com
Sportingbet C- www.sportingbet.com
SportingbetUSA C+ www.sportingbetusa.com
Sportsbook C www.sportsbook.com

You have got to be kidding!

BetEmpire is a relatively new book. All new books start off with an F there.

[kaitlyn11]

Those other books you mentioned suck as well.

If you would like some other opinions, go to the RX...

http://forum.therx.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100

visit the sportsbook forum and search out those books.

It won't take long for others to tell you "Those books suck".
I've tried to save you some misery, but sometimes experience is the fools best teacher.

Just one sportswriters opinion.........

[BucWheet]

One thing we agree on, their software sucks!

I think I'd find using a Casio digital watch with build-in calculator circa 1985 easier to use than those sites.

[kaitlyn11]

Originally posted by Nick Nack@Feb 5 2005, 03:31 PM
I think I'd find using a Casio digital watch with build-in calculator circa 1985 easier to use than those sites.
:D

[PIPS-POKER.COM]

I just registered with dnd's picks, and goldkeygames.com, but, I don't know where to go to actually place the wagers, and make the bets! lol, I'm completely clueless! :)

Interesting,

There is no such thing as the best sports book, as this changes with every bet. To learn more about searching out only winning bets, you should research Arbitrage-Sports.com where it is all automated. Great way to learn how to bet to win, not lose.

Good luck,
http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[Purewinners.com]

ALL BETTORS MUST HAVE THESE 3 SPORTSBOOKS:

1 BET365 (http://tmls9:%20http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp?affiliate=grm_8157)
2 CANBET (http://www.commissionking.com/_de680ef1ed1dbfa9a0e666289657dec3/1/)
3 PINNACLE (http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin)

[Mr.Blonde]

I've found the reduced juice at Hollywood and Skybook to be pretty nice.

Also, Olympic has vanilla lines but you will never get the boot for being a winning player.

[Purewinners.com]

I've found the reduced juice at Hollywood and Skybook to be pretty nice.

Also, Olympic has vanilla lines but you will never get the boot for being a winning player.

in north american sports PINNACLE (http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin) has the lowest juice/vig....if you find anyone better let me know.

[Mr.Blonde]

No question Pinnacle has the sharpest lines, but it never hurts to have multiple outs, yes?

If one has -109 and another -107, why not?

[Phaedrus]

Regarding a few different points from this thread:

1) Books that accept e-gold -- the only one worth playing at is MegaSB (http://www.megasb.com). They have hellatious vig on every sport unfortunately; offsets are the digital currency acceptance and vastly superior online service to any other book I've used (and I have used many.)

2) Sportsbook Review -- it's a joke and no one should take it seriously. There have been lots of first-rate books with D ratings simply because they aren't paying referral fees (only angle I can think of that weighs credibly.)

3) The Rx -- gambling's best kept secret.


Phaedrus

[Nick Nack]

Re: my earlier recommendation of BetEmpire.com, I am happy to report that they have served me faithfully over the last year.

Football season is about to start, but until season starts they are offering an interesting entertainment prop:

Who will play the next James Bond?

You can view the line and experiment with the bets there without registering.
Got to http://www.betempire.com and click on BET, then choose 'Prop Bets' in the Sport Selector pulldown, and click in the box next to 'Who will be the Next James Bond?'.

If you like the look of it, you can sign-up and receive a 20% deposit bonus using this link:
http://www.betempire.com/bond/dae45d.html

(You don't have to use that 20% bonus for the Bond prop, you can use the money later for betting on your favorite teams as you wish.)

If enough people from talkgold sign-up using this link the BetEmpire management tell me they will add e-gold as a deposit method.

[poolforprofits]

Pinnacle accepts WebMoney. I've exchanged egold for Webmoney at:
http://exchange.net.ua/?language=en

[Nick Nack]

Here is the list of odds for the Next James Bond at BetEmpire.com with British odds at the end. The number in brackets ( ) is the US style of odds:

I bet James Purefoy (125) ------------ 5/4 - Current Favourite
I bet Goran Visnjic (175)--------------- 7/4
I bet Henry Cavill (200)---------------- 2/1
I bet Dominic West (250)-------------- 5/2
I bet Julian McMahon (900)------------ 9/1
I bet Pierce Brosnan (250)------------- 5/2
I bet Ioan Gruffudd (400)-------------- 4 /1
I bet Ewan Stewart (450)-------------- 9/2
I bet Clive Owen (550)----------------- 11/2
I bet Alex O'Lachlan (300)-------------- 3/1
I bet Daniel Craig (550)----------------- 11/2
I bet Dougray Scott (550)--------------- 11/2
I bet Ewan McGregor (600)-------------- 6/1
I bet Orlando Bloom (450)--------------- 9/2
I bet Jude Law (400)---------------------- 4/1
I bet Hugh Grant (450)------------------- 9/2
I bet Leonardo di Caprio (650)----------- 13/2
I bet Colin Salmon (300)------------------3/1
I bet Eric Bana (800)---------------------- 8/1
I bet Russell Crowe (550)---------------- 11/2
I bet Colin Wells (450)-------------------- 9/2
I bet Rupert Everett (650)---------------- 13/2
I bet Sacha Baron Cohen (1200)--------- 12/1
...Don't forget if you like the look of it, you can sign-up and receive a 20% deposit bonus using this link:
http://www.betempire.com/bond/dae45d.html

(You don't have to use that 20% bonus for the Bond prop, you can use the money later for betting on your favorite teams as you wish.)

If enough people from talkgold sign-up using this link the BetEmpire management tell me they will add e-gold as a deposit method.

[BetEmpire.com]

I would like to confirm that BetEmpire.com is watching the number of sign-ups from Talk-Gold using the link above.

If we have a few more sign-ups from here, we will add e-gold as a deposit and payout method.

(At present we offer deposits by NeTeller, Western Union, Visa, AMEX, Discover and payouts by NeTeller, bank wire, and check.)

That link will earn you a 20% deposit bonus plus free $25 picks contest entry.

Regards,
- Frederick Gray,
betempire.com

P.S. On the BetEmpire.com front page you can find the latest favourite amongst our bettors for which actor will play the next James Bond;

Current next Bond favorite: Russell Crowe

[round]

e-gold as deposit and payout method would be a wonderful thing to do.

megasb.com sucks big time, and fonbet are russians. My mother told me: never trust russians and arabians!:)

[BetEmpire.com]

e-gold as deposit and payout method would be a wonderful thing to do.

megasb.com sucks big time, and fonbet are russians. My mother told me: never trust russians and arabians!:)
Glad to hear you like the idea. Don't hesitate to tell your friends that have e-gold to sign up using either of these two links which will identify it as a Talk-Gold sign-up:

http://www.betempire.com/bond/dae45d.html (Next James Bond style signup page)
http://www.betempire.com/welcome/dae45d.html (NFL/NCAA style signup page)

At present we do not have enough people who have expressed an interest to make this worthwhile.

If you want us to add e-gold, please post here to confirm your interest, but the best way is to sign-up using one of the links above.

Regards,
- Frederick Gray,
betempire.com

[Idontunderstand]

e-gold as deposit and payout method would be a wonderful thing to do.

megasb.com sucks big time, and fonbet are russians. My mother told me: never trust russians and arabians!:)

And my mother told me, never trust anyone ignorant enough to stereotype an entire race. :)

Especially 2 races.

[lovewins989]

Try using gamebookers.com

[BetEmpire.com]

So, lovewins989 and Idontunderstand do you think us adding e-gold deposits and withdrawals is something you would like to see?

[talkgo]

E-gold is the best thing you can do for betempire

It is the fastest and the easiest form of payment. You would definitely gain 1 million USD more business, if you offer at least some decent good odds. Especially on European Soccer ;)

[Nick Nack]

Their latest press release today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20050918/bs_prweb/prweb286577

Odds Trendsetter BetEmpire.com Announces Unique Bets on Casino Royale, the Upcoming 21st Bond Movie

Online bookmaker BetEmpire.com - primary source of odds on who will play the next James Bond - announces twenty-one unique bets on various other aspects of the upcoming 21st Bond movie, Casino Royale.

LONDON, (PRWEB) September 18, 2005 -- Since it began to offer odds on who will play the next James Bond in early September, online bookmaker BetEmpire.com has been leading the pack in setting the odds for the entire industry on this important casting decision.

"It is a little known fact that in recent years the center for odds setting on US sports is no longer Las Vegas but Costa Rica. Now we at BetEmpire.com are happy to continue this trend with betting on James Bond. The undisputed center of betting on this most English of secret agents is no longer London, but BetEmpire.com in Costa Rica," explained Frederick Gray, spokesperson for BetEmpire.com

"Fan Websites and national newspapers continue to run rampant with speculation about who will star as the next James Bond," continued Gray.

"Throughout this storm of publicity we have continually provided our customers with accurate, up to the minute odds on who will star as the next Bond. Now we are happy to announce twenty-one new James Bond-related bets on other aspects of upcoming Bond movie Casino Royale," explained a delighted Gray.

Due for release to bettors worldwide over the coming days at site BetEmpire.com are twenty-one unique bets from BetEmpire's linemakers under the guidance of the Bond fan community including:

* Who will play Bond villain Le Chiffre? Might it be Donald Sutherland, Gulshan Grover, Hrithik Roshan, or Gunnar Schäfer... or one of the other twelve choices?
* Will Samuel L. Jackson play a bad guy?
* Who will play the two main Bond girls in Casino Royale?
* Who will play femme fatale Vesper Lynd?
* Who will play CIA officer Felix Leiter?
* Who will play secretary Miss Moneypenny?
* What car will Bond drive?

"The first four of these bets have already been released at BetEmpire.com, with one new bet to be released once a day for the following seventeen days. We look forward to serving an excited audience eager to wager on all aspects of the upcoming Casino Royale production," explained Gray.

"We have listened to the Bond fan community and we hope that they and the public at large will enjoy these unique bets and the excitement offered by leveraging their knowledge of the Bond series of books and films to win their wagers," finished Gray.

For those interested in James Bond, consider the following sources of information (although BetEmpire.com does not endorse the sites or their content) http://www.007.com http://www.thejamesbondstory.com http://www.ianfleming.org and fan sites http://www.klast.net/bond http://www.mi6.co.uk and http://www.commanderbond.net

You can sign-up to wager on Bond related bets at BetEmpire.com using this link:
http://www.betempire.com/bond/640F5B.html

The big six contenders to play Bond (and their odds at the time of this release) are as follows:

James Purefoy (125) - 5/4 Favorite
Pierce Brosnan (160) - 8/5
Goran Visnjic (250) - 5/2
Alex O'Lachlan (300) - 3/1
Henry Cavill (400) - 4/1
Matthew Macfadyen (400) - 4/1

Reputed Bond candidates Daniel Craig and Clive Owen are both at 11/2 (550).

Our previous press release on the subject of Who Will Be the Next James Bond? is available here:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb279536.html

CONTACT:
Frederick Gray,
BetEmpire.com

All brands/names mentioned may be (registered) trademarks of their respective holders. Unless explicitly stated, no endorsement by any company or person is made or implied.

About BetEmpire.com

BetEmpire.com (http://www.Betempire.com ) is one of most respected legal online sports betting organizations in the world and is licensed in and operates from Costa Rica. As well as entertainment propositions, BetEmpire.com members can enjoy wagering on some of their favorite sports including: football, basketball, baseball, soccer, hockey, golf and boxing, with access to leading poker networks and casino games.

[investor007]

betempire is a scam site. stay away. they are also black listed in the sportsbookreview sites. anysportsbooks that accepts e-gold is a crook site owned my an individual who is looking to steal customer money and run away.

stick to canbet (http://www.commissionking.com/_de680ef1ed1dbfa9a0e666289657dec3/1/) and pinnacle (http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin). they honor your deposits and withdrawals instantly. they offer the best odds in the market...no one beats them in any sports...you are guaranteed to find the better odds in any one of those 2.
(http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin)

[videofish]

true, SBR says that BetEmpire is scam , and desperate for new clients.

betfair is one of the few bookmakers that you can fully trust

[Coy0te]

true, SBR says that BetEmpire is scam , and desperate for new clients.

betfair is one of the few bookmakers that you can fully trust


It seems that Betempire is paying their clients, they rate in sportbooksreview with D, maybe they are not a scam after all

[videofish]

D is an awfully bad mark still and an awful reputation :(

[Nick Nack]

It seems that Betempire is paying their clients, they rate in sportbooksreview with D, maybe they are not a scam after all
You can read my comments from early last year about Sportsbook Review (SBR) earlier in this thread here (http://talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103914&postcount=19 ). But let me quote another talkgolder on this subject:

Regarding a few different points from this thread:

1) Books that accept e-gold -- the only one worth playing at is MegaSB (http://www.megasb.com). They have hellatious vig on every sport unfortunately; offsets are the digital currency acceptance and vastly superior online service to any other book I've used (and I have used many.)

2) Sportsbook Review -- it's a joke and no one should take it seriously. There have been lots of first-rate books with D ratings simply because they aren't paying referral fees (only angle I can think of that weighs credibly.) ...
SportsbookReview.com and its main guy 'Bill Dozer' do help some players to get their winnings back from rogue sportsbooks, but their primary aim is to act as a thinly veiled advertising site for the companies that fund it - Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP (which includes shops like BetOnGames).

It would be wrong to say that Sportsbook Review abuses their position as a watchdog site to deliberately misinterpret information and to give unfair ratings. But only because their aim is not to be such a truth, justice and the American way site and such abuse is exactly what they are setup to aim to do.

The aim of Sportsbook Review is to ensure that Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competition looks bad to the average Joe who doesn't understand the way things work out in the offshore sportbooking world, nor for the average person to get to know about how good many of Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competitors are.

There are many shill sites like Sportsbook Review around - watch out for them - and also many shills who are paid full time to go around and trash competing books by posting falsehoods and rumors that have no basis in fact.

Which leads me back to BetEmpire.com. Sportsbook Review have known full well that since they first heard of it that BetEmpire is a legitimate operation, but they went along in their normal way giving it a false rating.

7/23/2005 1:51:00 PM
BetEmpire upgraded from F+ to D

3/1/2005 5:37:00 PM
BetEmpire raised from F- to F+

8/24/2004 3:25:00 PM
Empire Sportsbook (BetEmpire) initial rating: F
Of course even SBR can't keep a legit shop unfairly on their negative lists as an F forever, as people would smell a rat. Thus BetEmpire.com (Empire Sportsbook) is now sharing a D rating along with these other 'dubious' (according to Sportsbook Review) books:

Betonsports D+ www.betonsports.com
Sportingbet C- www.sportingbet.com
SportingbetUSA C www.sportingbetusa.com
Sportsbook C www.sportsbook.com

As anyone knows, these are in fact very serious operations, two different groups listed on the London AIM Stockmarket. You have to ask, why do they only deserve Ds when Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP that are offshore books that we know little about - and definitely without the backing of a listed stockmarket company - get As at SBR?

If you don't believe me, go do your own research, and you'll understand then why Sportsbook Review (and people posting comments) is not to be taken at face value.

[Pioneer]

pinnaclesports all the way baby

[JPDyson]

Pinnaclesports and sbgglobal are great.

[BetEmpire.com]

One thing we agree on, their software sucks!

I think I'd find using a Casio digital watch with build-in calculator circa 1985 easier to use than those sites.
Thank you for the compliment about BetEmpire.com's website.

(It is true that all of the other sites out there have very poor software, and we are truly surprised more aren't using SportsPulse (http://www.sportspulse.com) like us.)

We are proud of its ease of use. Of course customer service counts too, something of which we are also proud.

[Nick Nack]

Pinnaclesports and sbgglobal are great.

JPDyson, have you taken a look at BetEmpire.com?

[Nick Nack]

JPDyson, have you taken a look at BetEmpire.com?

"It's all gone quiet!", said Rhubarb.
"Too quiet.", said Custard...

[Nick Nack]

Last chance to bet on the new Bond actor.

There's going to be a press release in London tomorrow (Friday 14th) at 12 noon announcing the next James Bond!
Here is the list of odds for the Next James Bond at BetEmpire.com with British odds at the end. The number in brackets ( ) is the US style of odds:
<snip>
...Don't forget if you like the look of it, you can sign-up and receive a 20% deposit bonus using this link:
http://www.betempire.com/bond/dae45d.html

(You don't have to use that 20% bonus for the Bond prop, you can use the money later for betting on your favorite teams as you wish.)

If enough people from talkgold sign-up using this link the BetEmpire management tell me they will add e-gold as a deposit method.

[pincher]

There are a lot of magazines about sport. It gives you understanding of sports business today.

[sanni5]

May be Olympic Sportsbook?

[katie7]

bet365 , vipsports are the best. good customer support , attractive bonus and the fastest payout :D

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

bet365 , vipsports are the best. good customer support , attractive bonus and the fastest payout :D

Agreed, bonuses are great, but customer service is the most important aspect in my experience.

Good luck to all, Mike

[milan_patel]

3 MOST SAFEST REALIABLE BOOKS WITH THE BEST ODDS IN ORDER OF RANK:

1. Pinnacle (http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin)
2. Canbet (http://www.commissionking.com/_de680ef1ed1dbfa9a0e666289657dec3/1/)
3. Bet365 (tmls9:%20http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp?affiliate=grm_8157)

All 3 books have good bonuses. If you get into sports betting i would start with an account in each of the 3 books. 60% of your money should be in pinnacle. And 20% each in canbet and bet365.

Beware of other books who give extraordinary bonusses...they do that because they are not planning to pay you!

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

3 MOST SAFEST REALIABLE BOOKS WITH THE BEST ODDS IN ORDER OF RANK:

1. Pinnacle (http://www.pinnaclesports.com/default.asp?language=English&LExt=egl&refer=xpurewin)
2. Canbet (http://www.commissionking.com/_de680ef1ed1dbfa9a0e666289657dec3/1/)
3. Bet365 (tmls9:%20http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp?affiliate=grm_8157)

All 3 books have good bonuses. If you get into sports betting i would start with an account in each of the 3 books. 60% of your money should be in pinnacle. And 20% each in canbet and bet365.

Beware of other books who give extraordinary bonusses...they do that because they are not planning to pay you!


Good advice, I agree 100%, very reliable and offer plenty of arbs.

Good luck to all, Mike

[Nick Nack]

Surprise, surpise. The shills don't want the truth to get out, so all those posts they made to try and get this to disappear...

You can read my comments from early last year about Sportsbook Review (SBR) earlier in this thread here (http://talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=140466#post140466).

SportsbookReview.com and its main guy 'Bill Dozer' do help some players to get their winnings back from rogue sportsbooks, but their primary aim is to act as a thinly veiled advertising site for the companies that fund it - Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP (which includes shops like BetOnGames).

It would be wrong to say that Sportsbook Review abuses their position as a watchdog site to deliberately misinterpret information and to give unfair ratings. But only because their aim is not to be such a truth, justice and the American way site and such abuse is exactly what they are setup to aim to do.

The aim of Sportsbook Review is to ensure that Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competition looks bad to the average Joe who doesn't understand the way things work out in the offshore sportbooking world, nor for the average person to get to know about how good many of Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competitors are.

There are many shill sites like Sportsbook Review around - watch out for them - and also many shills who are paid full time to go around and trash competing books by posting falsehoods and rumors that have no basis in fact.

Which leads me back to BetEmpire.com. Sportsbook Review have known full well that since they first heard of it that BetEmpire is a legitimate operation, but they went along in their normal way giving it a false rating.


Of course even SBR can't keep a legit shop unfairly on their negative lists as an F forever, as people would smell a rat. Thus BetEmpire.com (Empire Sportsbook) is now sharing a D rating along with these other 'dubious' (according to Sportsbook Review) books:

Betonsports D+ www.betonsports.com
Sportingbet C- www.sportingbet.com
SportingbetUSA C www.sportingbetusa.com
Sportsbook C www.sportsbook.com

As anyone knows, these are in fact very serious operations, two different groups listed on the London AIM Stockmarket. You have to ask, why do they only deserve Ds when Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP that are offshore books that we know little about - and definitely without the backing of a listed stockmarket company - get As at SBR?

If you don't believe me, go do your own research, and you'll understand then why Sportsbook Review (and people posting comments) is not to be taken at face value.

[Nick Nack]

Well shills, this thread is not going to be forgotten, although you would love that to happen.

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My warmest recommendation has to go to www.betfair.com

Best odds, a lot of events to choose from, nice interface...

[qwerty111]

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[Nick Nack]

The shills for Pinnacle Sportsbook in particular have several times posted 'filler' posts to this thread to push this post away from the latest part of the thread. Do you really think this kind of behavior is going to stop the truth from getting out?

My sense of fair play is just more offended by this and it makes we doubly want people to do their own research and thinking on this matter. So here's the post again...

You can read my comments from early last year about Sportsbook Review (SBR) earlier in this thread here (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=259131#post259131).

SportsbookReview.com and its main guy 'Bill Dozer' do help some players to get their winnings back from rogue sportsbooks, but their primary aim is to act as a thinly veiled advertising site for the companies that fund it - Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP (which includes shops like BetOnGames).

It would be wrong to say that Sportsbook Review abuses their position as a watchdog site to deliberately misinterpret information and to give unfair ratings. But only because their aim is not to be such a truth, justice and the American way site and such abuse is exactly what they are setup to aim to do.

The aim of Sportsbook Review is to ensure that Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competition looks bad to the average Joe who doesn't understand the way things work out in the offshore sportbooking world, nor for the average person to get to know about how good many of Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP's competitors are.

There are many shill sites like Sportsbook Review around - watch out for them - and also many shills who are paid full time to go around and trash competing books by posting falsehoods and rumors that have no basis in fact.

Which leads me back to BetEmpire.com. Sportsbook Review have known full well that since they first heard of it that BetEmpire is a legitimate operation, but they went along in their normal way giving it a false rating.


Of course even SBR can't keep a legit shop unfairly on their negative lists as an F forever, as people would smell a rat. Thus BetEmpire.com (Empire Sportsbook) is now sharing a D rating along with these other 'dubious' (according to Sportsbook Review) books:

Betonsports D+ www.betonsports.com
Sportingbet C- www.sportingbet.com
SportingbetUSA C www.sportingbetusa.com
Sportsbook C www.sportsbook.com

As anyone knows, these are in fact very serious operations, two different groups listed on the London AIM Stockmarket. You have to ask, why do they only deserve Ds when Pinnacle, WWTS and VIP that are offshore books that we know little about - and definitely without the backing of a listed stockmarket company - get As at SBR?

If you don't believe me, go do your own research, and you'll understand then why Sportsbook Review (and people posting comments) is not to be taken at face value.