RISK FREE PROFIT and SUREBETPRO = 2 RELATED SCAMS (FRAUDS)

[MilaN]

You can almost count on anything Tommy the Tool joins as being a possible scam. Tommy uses both Veretekk/Intekk and Probuilderplus to promote RFP/Surebetpro or what he briefly called "the Del Mar Institute".

Here is some reading for now, more as the pieces begin to fit together.

http://www.sportsarbitragereview.co.uk/7667.html
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/bi....cgi?group=371
http://thesurebetproscam.com/
http://www.*******************/showth...?t=1455&page=4
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r34643-.html

Read a bit of the online marketing pitches from two affiliates yourself:
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r81062-.html
http://www.detailshere.com/riskfreeprofit.htm

RFP charges $139 a month for their software. They claim that you can make 1-3% per trade using this software. Doing some rough math here, you are going to need to place $5000 in bets PER MONTH to get the $139/month you pay to use the software. (that is if the bookies end up paying you in the end, that responsibility lies with you…)

Of course if you just get some other people to join too, and they start paying $139 a month, you can defray that $139 a month you pay and possibly make some referral commisions. Of course they need to get people to sign up too so they dont have to pay the $139/month either…and so on….

Come back for more as the story unfolds. Currently RFP should be getting ready to pay the people that have been investing in the "betting pool" side of this potential ponzi for the past year. They have been under DDOS attack according to cheerleaders causing some of the delay…

(eta) We have begun investigating the claims of RFP being under DDOS attack. The DDOS attack excuse is often used by collapsing ponzi's as the reason that payments can't be made and that the progam is closing. The scammers claim that due to the DDOS attack, payments from new member signups cannot come in and thus the program does not have the funds to pay out the people already paying into the system.

RiskFreeProfit.com has put up a page in front of the main page that gathers your IP info before allowing you to procede. This is apparently one of the measures that they put into place to thwart the DDOS attack. Attempting to return to the site later, and either several of our IP's are blocked, or the new security measure managed to break every affiliate site. It's odd though, because we can bypass security and go straight to this page on the domain:
http://www.riskfreeprofit.com/sbpmovie/surebetpro.htm

Is the DDOS attack real?

Well lets start by looking at the alexa webstatistics for traffic to riskfreeprofit.com:



http://yyhhcc.blogspot.com/2006/04/h...wiredsurf.html

We are curious what happened to http://www.surebetpro.com/links.php ?? Oh wait, here is part of it:
http://surebetpro.com/kevin/welcome.htm
http://www.surebetpro.com/bo_errorpage.php
http://surebetpro.com/flash/rfp_wide.swf

Did RiskFreeProfit.com make surebetpro? I can't be certain but I thought RiskFreeProfit was based out of ireland. Surebetpro seems to have been based out of india back in 2004.
http://surebetpro.com/SBPT&C.html

[lobster]

Oh so u like double posting! Let me copy aegis reply for u :)

Aegis :

Thanks for reposting the same thing posted by McZapZap...You should indicate where your post came from, I thought you ahd gone and actually done some work. You simply copy and pasted from the link ZapZap provided.

So much to reply to, so little time. The list of links provided are almost irrelevent. sportsarbtiragereview.co.uk is a well known marketting site for ZRA (http://www.arbforum.co.uk/cgi-bin/ya...num=1118155727) to play down their competition, while thesurebetproscam.com I wouldn't be surprised was simply an extension of that site since that was the first thing 'Alan Seymour' referred me to when I started emailing him and told him I used SBP. I can post the emails we exchanged if you wamt....

How members market a network marketting concept is somewhat out of the control of the company. Network marketting will always have that problem, and it will always attract comment. I wish peoplew ould get over it: Network marketting is LEGAL, it WORKS, and if you don't like the members efforts, then bad mouth the members directly, not the company. The company can't control what every member does. Its like going to walmart and being served by an incredibly rude person in checkout. Do you say "OMG that was the msot rude person ever?" or do you say "OMG, walmart are the most rude company ever. I'm going to tell everyone I know not to use them". BTW, thats a rhetorical question, I already know the answer. Try to be consistent in your methods, just because some members get eager, or a bit over the top, doesn't mean 'the company is a scam'. That is a non-sequitor and so a bad argument.


LOL...$5000 bets per month..lol, thats easy. I can place that in a week, and I only have 2.5k invested into my trading pool. Wait until you build your pool up to $10k - $20k...wow, i wonder how much money you can move through the bookies then.

And who is the writer of this article to question the integrity of these bookmakers??? The nerve of this guy. if you want to know whether sportsbooks are reliable or not go to http://www.sportsbookreview.com/. I really wish the writer of this article knew what he was talking about. While some bookmakers out there may not be reliable, anyone who had a clue would use sites like SBR to avoid them... its not difficult.

As for the imminent payout of the pool and the DDOS and the potential ponzi, I can't soundly defend that, ebcause they haven't paid out yet. I have previously (I am sure even in this thread) defended them on the premise that their software is comparable to, and more often than not, BETTER, than all of their competition: Why would they destroy that market advantage with a scam? It is simply illogical. Makes no sense. Bad bussiness. Stupid.

And what is going on with that last section: Did RFP make SBP? WHAT??!??!? RFP freely admit that SBP was made in india. Yes RFP operates out of ireland....Yes they are the same people.

Shane

[UEFA]

your explanations look like you are the owner of RFP / SBP scam and you are trying to save yourself out scammer

[lobster]

your explanations look like you are the owner of RFP / SBP scam and you are trying to save yourself out scammer

Hi, changing ur username again?

[aegist]

your explanations look like you are the owner of RFP / SBP scam and you are trying to save yourself out scammer
ROFL, I WISH I was the owner of RFP.

As if he would waste his time dealing with people who can't even do their own research, but instead just copy and paste from some other article (without referencing it no less...).

Shane

[mucho69]

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ok children, rfp lesson 101, if you dont know by now let me explain what time it is. its the one year anniversary of thr rfp pool, what that means is last year more then 2,000 people originaly bought shares in the pool including me, this is a conservative number, i bought 6 shares, now i have $3,500 in my pool account, lets do the math, 2,000 people times $3,500 = over $7 million dollars payout rfp has to make and thats only for one month, lets be realistic here and not children, have fun with the software but you aint getting sh1t back, including me.

[cobby]

yepp also me left about 2000$ there....

[neno]

Wow,

I freaked when I saw a special thread about Tommy the Tool. Are is it tommystyles or is it neno. Hummmmmmmmmm.... You guys are a piece of work. Any how yeah I am with rfp and have a storng Team. I am also with GZ. another very strong Team.

I am also a member at veretekk. I have never used it for GZ are rfp yet but I will when the time is right. I want to thank you guys from scam.com for all the popularity you have sent me. I did quit Probuilders thow. I dont believe people need it. So get your story right now, you hear........

Please dont stop the more you guys get me listed the better it will be. Again thank you for this. It is really helping the membership to learn what I am envolved with. So as it Builds they will Follow.

Oh you forgot about my Frutavida Team and My New International Team for 4-Ecorp. Come on tell the truth about the Tool as you call me.

[McZapZap]

Oh you forgot about my Frutavida Team and My New International Team for 4-Ecorp. Come on tell the truth about the Tool as you call me.


I don't think anyone has forgotten about those programs or your promotion of greenzap.

I think people just leave you alone about the fruitavida as most of the people in the educated world can spot a vitamin drink pyramid scam a mile away these days.

But people are talking about your miracle gas juice...

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=193082#post193082

http://cyberspacecowboys.com/archives/56

And the first post in this thread did come from here:
http://cyberspacecowboys.com/archives/53
but that article has been added to since MilaN cut and pasted it.


If you don't like the nick "Tommy the Tool", I believe "Neno the Nitwit"
"Neno the Numbskull" and "Nincompoop Neno" are all open for use.

Have you considered packing your marketing tactics together into a ebook MLM yet? The title "Marketing the TwitStyles way" not currently in use by any publisher that I am aware of.

[pottack23]

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rfp pool, what that means is last year more then 2,000 people originaly bought shares in the pool including me, this is a conservative number, i bought 6 shares, now i have $3,500 in my pool account, lets do the math, 2,000 people times $3,500 = over $7 million dollars payout rfp has to make and thats only for one month, lets be realistic here and not children, have fun with the software but you aint getting sh1t back, including me.

of course they will not payout 7 millions USD. it was woth the scam, because most of you just LOVE BEING SCAMMED.. you like to lose and lose, and you will not do anything, even if you can track the RFP scammers and send them to jail

but you are too lazy

[dywre]

it smells ......

[dywre]

heheh

[dywre]

Roflol

[wocza]

what can you expect from aegist=TimeInvestor=lobster?

[Offshore-Wealth.com]

Interesting,

I am surprised that no one is blasting away at RFP given they have not paid anyone in pool for a year and a half. Everyone loves to bash a scam, but here in this thread, it is dead silent for months?

http://Arbitrage-Sports.com

[wild dream]

something fishy.... :( never believe in this!