Horseracing-Place to win

[place to win]

Hello Everyone,
I have been working on a very unique computer program for betting on horses to PLACE.Almost all my plays will be the strong favorite.I will average about 5 plays a day.I have been avg .95 units per day,so if you were to bet my selections betting $100 per play you would be making $95 per day.I have only 3 betting amounts that I use 1,1.5, and 2 unit.Two units is the most you will ever play on 1 selection.I will be posting my plays for free for the next 10 days after that anyone still interested can join the service for a small fee.I bet all the selection myself and do very well but I will be hiring someone soon for imput data so I will have no choice to charge a small fee after the trial.It is very important that you open an account with a book that offers a rebate on all your wagers.Example I use Pinnacle and receive 7% back on all my wagers win or lose.TCBETS is another but pinnacle offers the best rebates.Todays plays...

Turf Paradise Race 5 #5 Bonaguil
Lone star Race 3 #2 Groovy Explosion
Lone Star Race 8 #1 Seducing Mr G
Mountaineer Race 9 #7 Riders Up
All plays are for 1 unit.
Good Luck

[place to win]

Hi All,
Well today 4 plays today 2 winners and 2 seconds.Overall 4 bets all winners.Results --- payoff to place 2.60,2.80,2.40, 2.10.Betting $200 to place on each selection profit +$190 +++ Rebate of 7% of total wagers (800 at .070%) +$56....Total profit on $800 wagered +++$246.

[KC_Troy]

can you send me some more info at digital_press_boy@hotmail.com. so i need $500 to bet every day on your 5 plays? to make $95

[place to win]

Hi KC,
I should not have even mentioned the rate of returns.If I was to give my latest results ( 6 months) people would not have believed me so I decided to go with the free trail so people could check everything out on their own.Playing my selections with my money management will net you a very nice living but you must be able to show control and only play the selections I give you.Look at the return from yesterday.....and you are in control of your own funds(not hoping on some HYIP if you will ever get paid).Check it out for the next 10 days and see what you think.

[ktodary1]

plz send me more info to : kamal.todary@gmail.com

[place to win]

All the info for now will be on this thread as their is nothing else I can send you.Selections for today will be up shortly.

[place to win]

Todays plays..All are for 1 unit
Turf paradise - Race 8 #5 Lucky Autum
Aqueduct-race 6 #1 Way to the top
Hollywood- Race 4 #5 King palm
Mountaineer Race 7 #1 Angela Pride
Indiana Downs Race 9 #4 Whatsitgonnatake

Back tomorrow

[KC_Troy]

Im a novice for horse racing yesterday you said you had one 4 races and placed $200 on each horse to win, and you made $800 + 246? is that correct. Lucky for you they came in 1st place and 2nd place.

[KC_Troy]

i got a question surely you must have your loosing streaks now and than, how do you minimize losses?

[place to win]

Hi KC,
First I only bet to place not to win.My profit from yesterday was based on place bets.I do have days when I wish I had bet all my selections to win as I would have made more money betting on the win end.My stats show a better overall ROI when factoring in the rebate from a book such as Pinnacle.Do I have losing days? Of course but my money management program will tell me when to increase my wagers up to 1.5 unit or very very rarely a 2 unit play.Please understand that just because I may have a losing day I do not automatically raise my wagers for the next day.My program lets me know when to increase to a 1.5 unit bet.On Avg I win 4 out of 5 days and the losing day is usually a small loss.I spend about 5 to 6 hours just inputing data but I will be hiring someone for that as I is starting to take is toll on me.A good site for anyone looking for results ect ect is equibase.com

[place to win]

Hello,
Well today we only had 4 plays as 2 of our picks were scratched (did not run). Our place prices $2.90, $2.60,$240. Betting $200 to place returned +190 plus our 7% rebate on $800 bet at pinnacle +$56 for a total of $246 - our loss of $200 for an overall profit for the day of +$46.
Back Tomorrow

[lucarello3timesbanned]

good work at the moment, keep it up

[KC_Troy]

Thats not bad at all evan though you had 1 loss you still made $46. How much will you be selling your tips for? can you also tell me what a rebate is? is that a method you use to make this kind of money

[place to win]

A rebate is a % that you get put in you account based on how much you bet that day.Example, yesterday at pinnacle sportsbook if I had bet $1000 they would have credited my account 7% or $70 weather I win or lose money for the day.I have yet to settle on a price yet.Todays plays will be up shortly.

[place to win]

Todays Plays,
Pimlico Race 2 #2 Cold hard cash
Pimlico Race 5 #7 Wrongkindofpleasure
Pimlico Race 8 #6 Delaware River
Charlestown Race 7 #1 Moralap
Hollywood Race 1 #1 Somethingaboutlaura
Mountaineer Race 4 #7 Noble Gesture
Aqueduct Race Race 4 #7 Galantas
Good Luck...

[place to win]

Today was tough going on the place end but we still made a nice profit.We had 3 winners two paying nice prices($9.80,$7.60 and $2.80) Betting $200 to place ($1400) our returns were 2.20,5.40,4.40,2.40 for a total of $1440 + our .07% rebate for Pinnacle of $98 for a total profit of $138 for the day.For the last 3 days we have bet $3000 and have a profit of $430.Not the programs best 3 days but I'm sure you are starting to see the power of the program as you are getting a very good return on your money(which you control) and your bankroll is being used at very low risk.I will be giving out selections WED THRU SUNDAY.I am working on a price plan for the service so if you are interested please reply on this thread so that I can get an idea how many people are interested.Thanks and I will be back on WED...

[neovo006]

i am interested,but can't understand how to bet

[KC_Troy]

Thats some nice dough you made, whats the risk factors? do you always make a profit or break evan if you loose a few races out of your selected plays

[Apu N.]

What has been your longest losing streak?

[place to win]

Hello,
I play with a 30 unit bankroll.I know that you can play with a 15 unit bankroll and thru my testing of 18 months you would have never put yor bankroll at risk.All bets are made to place.Today we would have made more money betting to win but the programs results over 260,000 races(YES 260,00) show the best ROI is to bet to place.I have had 2 losing days in a row but my money management program overcame the losses the next few days and made a strong profit.I can't do anymore than post my plays for the next few days to show you the true power of my program.I make very good money every week but I have to
decide if it is worth the work to start a service so your input is welcome.

[KC_Troy]

Id be keen to help your out place to win if your thinking of turning this into a program i could be admin.

[irishwhisper]

great picks mate keep it up. u should defo start a service mate.

[allen777]

Today was tough going on the place end but we still made a nice profit.We had 3 winners two paying nice prices($9.80,$7.60 and $2.80) Betting $200 to place ($1400) our returns were 2.20,5.40,4.40,2.40 for a total of $1440 + our .07% rebate for Pinnacle of $98 for a total profit of $138 for the day.For the last 3 days we have bet $3000 and have a profit of $430.Not the programs best 3 days but I'm sure you are starting to see the power of the program as you are getting a very good return on your money(which you control) and your bankroll is being used at very low risk.I will be giving out selections WED THRU SUNDAY.I am working on a price plan for the service so if you are interested please reply on this thread so that I can get an idea how many people are interested.Thanks and I will be back on WED...

Hi,

I am very interested but would need to know a lot more including your money-management plan. You can contact me at aallnjms@aol.com - I seem to have quite a lot of trouble with PMs - must be my ignorance.

Regards

allen777

[place to win]

Hi,
To answer some PM questions.I am going to price the service at a reasonable rate in the beginning as I realize not everone can start out betting $200 a wager even though your bankroll is not at high risk.After a few weeks and you have made a nice profit I will price the service so that it will help me offset some of my data input costs.Fair enough? The system is not for sale and even if is was you would need about 50 hours per week just to input data.Some have asked about money management,..I have only 3 bets that I make a 1,1.5 or 2 unit bet.The program tracks my ROI on a rolling 10 day period if I am not showing enough profit for that period I would increase to a 1.5 unit bet.I can still have made good money during that period but my stats tell me they should have been higher over that period so I increase my base bet to 1.5 units.80% - 85% will be 1 unit bets.I have went to a 2 unit bet once in the last 34 racing days and that was only for 2 days.I won (placed)12 out of 14 made a great profit and moved back to a 1 unit bet.Anyway as they say talk is cheap so I will let the programs picks do the talking all of next week.I will be limiting the numbers of members so I you are interested let me know now if the the results hold up you would like to join.It will be first come first serve.I am NOT using this as a marketing ploy but is does have something to do the betting pool that I will share with you next week.Please feel free to give me some feedback if you wish.
Thanks

[Apu N.]

It takes an average of 7 hours a day to input the data???

Sheeesh!!!

[place to win]

Yes because the progam must have all the data for 7 days a week ,even Mon and Tue when I don't give out picks.

[Apu N.]

Why no picks on Mon & Tues? A system this good should be working 7 days a
week?

[place to win]

I will think about adding Monday and Tuesday at a later date...

[denisfantin]

Hi ptw, are you from United States?

[place to win]

Yes,California

[Apu N.]

Please sign me up.

My email is nupa90@hotmail.com.

[place to win]

Ok Apu N I will add you to the list.
Thanks

[irishwhisper]

please add me to your list mate.

[martin3]

Also interested.

[place to win]

Hi,
Irish and martin3 I will add you to the list.Thanks.Irish I tried to open your PM but it did not open maybe you could resend.

[KC_Troy]

im interested

[place to win]

Hi HC,
I will put you on the list.....

[MakinItHappen]

Place To Win,

Very clever Username. I like what you have to say and am interested in your service. Please drop me an e-mail at jusmakinithappen@aol.com.

Best of Luck To You!

MakinItHappen

[place to win]

Hi Makin,
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[taz5260]

Please add to list: ctrcorp@safe-mail.net thanks

[maoy]

me too.Please include me in your list:royski010@yahoo.com

[place to win]

Hello Taz and Maoy.
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[place to win]

Good Morning Everyone,
Todays plays will be posted shortly...

[bensark]

add me to youre list phillbenwell@hotmail.com

[place to win]

Today's Plays.
Golden Gate Race 3 #1 Firebaugh
Hollywood Race 2 #7 Paint it Black
Evangeline Race 10 #2 Cash Quest
Good luck

[place to win]

Bensark you hace been added to the list.
Thanks

[denisfantin]

denis70fan@gmail.com

please, contact me as I have to ask you a thing but can't write PM

[place to win]

Hi Irishwhisper,
I have added you to the list.
Bob

[irishwhisper]

cheers mate.

[gibber]

TO: Place To Win
Please put me on your list: excfcc@safe-mail.net

[jeffstar]

Please put me on your list: jeffstar2@aol.com

Thanks. Jeff

[place to win]

Hi Gibber and Jeff,
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[Mr.Blonde]

Please add me to the list if possible,

ruffhauser@yahoo dot com

[dywre]

hahaha :P

[place to win]

Hello,
Yesterday we only had 2 plays as our horse at evangeline did not run.We Had a winner and a third,our place price paid $2.40.So we bet $400 got back $240 for a loss of $160 - our rebate from Pinnacle of $28 giving us a total loss for the day of $132.

[place to win]

Hello,
Todays plays are all for 1.5 UNITS or in our example $300
Belmont race 5 #3 High Finance
Belmont race 7 #6 Noblewoman
Belmont race 8 #2 Not phone
Golden Gate race 6 #1 Golden Via
Penn National race 2 #6 Wolf

[Mr.Blonde]

Good luck today.

Are you still adding people to your list?

[place to win]

Yes.
I will put you not the list.
Thanks

[Pooper Scoopers]

Hi place to win. Please add me to the list at pooperscoopers@rock.com.

Thanks:banana:

[place to win]

Hi Pooper scoopers,I will add you to the list.
Thanks

[ltproducts]

please add me to the list: bacmaster2002@aol.com
thanks:thumbs up

[place to win]

Hi bacmaster,
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[gibber]

To Place To Win:
Were can I retrieve the daily race results?

[place to win]

Gibber,
I post the results here everyday but you can also check out the results the at www.equibase.com

[place to win]

Today Results
Today was a perfect day to show you the true overall power of my program as this was the first day the we moved to a 1.5 unit bet.We had 5 plays and won 3 and placed in 1 for 4 out of 5 unit bets won on the place end.Our place prices 2.60,3.20,3.40,3.20 for a profit based on our $300 place bet of $360 add our rebate of $105 for a total profit of $465 for the day.As you can see from my results from the last 5 days you receive a great return on your money but even more important YOU are in charge of your money and as you can see your bankroll is a very low risk.I will giving out rates in the next day or two.If you have any input on rate or any questions that I have not already covered on this thread please use placetowin@hotmail.com.Please note the horse that did not win or place Belmont Race 7 # 6 Noblewomen hit the starting gate and was bumped at the start losing all chance to win at the start.If you want to read the charts just go to www.equibase.com then to results charts.

[Pooper Scoopers]

hey place to win would a $1,500 bankroll (30*$50 units) be sufficient to start? Also what does it mean to place a horse. I do not mean to sound like an idiot I just do not know anything about horse racing.

Pooper

:party smi

[allen777]

please add me to your list - aallnjms@aol.com

[drr]

also please add my email to the list:

thanks!

[place to win]

Scoopers,
No problem.When we are betting to place that means that if our horse wins or comes in second we win our bet.

[place to win]

Hi Drr and Allen,
I have added you to the list.

[place to win]

Scoopers,
I will be getting into bankroll,moneymanagement soon.But a quick reply to your question is 30 that units would be fine.

[place to win]

Hello,
A full card today.Todays plays....
Churchill Race 4 #7 Venetian Sunset
Churchill Race 8 #1 Oonagh Maccool
Pimlico Race 2 #3 Distinct Vision
Thistledowns Race 13 #5 Lady Zora
Penn National Race 2 #4 Mcswoosh
Evangeline Race 2 #1 Devil's Tierra
Penn National Race 3 #6 Griffins Echo

[Pooper Scoopers]

also I noticed at pinnacle you can not always bet in .5 increments. If you are
using a base bet of $200 yesterday you would have to bet $300 but it looks like you can do that as the next higher bet is $500 which is more than double.

Pooper

[TraderNY]

Hey Place to Win,

I want to send my regards. I played the horses for several yrs now and I haven't seen anything as consistent as your plays. Keep up the great work. If all goes as you planned, count me in as a long term customer!!! :thumbs up

How long more for the free picks?

If this goes as you plan, I may be able to supplement my current income!

[place to win]

Pooper,
You can bet whatever amount you want a Pinnacle.If you wanted to bet $300 all you would do is hit the $200 button put in your password then make another bet for $100.

[place to win]

Thanks Trader,
I will have more info over the weekend.

[place to win]

A quick up date.
First sorry if I have not responded some emails but most of the info you will need will be posted this weekend.Some more good news is that I have hired someone for the data input part of the program and I will be training her this weekend.Of course I have a back up plan to catch any mistakes she may make on the data input but it will really help me free up time for other parts of the program.I hope everyone is making some money on the free selections!!!

[Pooper Scoopers]

Thanks for clearing that up. Keep up the good work. Hopefully this will really work out well for all of us.

Pooper:dancedog:

:woohoo:

[stag]

Please add me to your list - lloyd-rich@lycos.co.uk

[place to win]

Hi Stag,
You have been added to the list.
Thanks

[cosmo]

Can u please add me cosmokram3r@hotmail.com

Thanks

[place to win]

Hi Cosmo,
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[place to win]

Friday's Results...
We played 7 races winning (placing) 5 races the payoffs were on the very low side to say the least.Payoffs 3.60,240,2.10,2.20,2,20 so betting 7 races at $200 to place returned $1250 plus our rebate of $98 for a total of $1345 leaving us with a very small loss of $55.

[irishwhisper]

hi play to win,i see in american racing theres win place and show betting, what would the difference in profit/loss be if we were to show bet not place mate?

[Manaf]

Hii Place !!

i am very stonished with your results so far ..

please add me to the list mmazidi@gmail.com

thanks and goodluck

[jimmya]

I just joined this forum and this thread is one of the first I have read.

Please add me to the list. denaxle1@cox.net

Thanks.

[gibber]

TO: Place To Win

Are there any exceptions to the 7% rebate because I waged $50x7
yesterday and didn't receive any rebates?

[gibber]

TO: Place To Win

Update: I just checked my Pinnacle account and I was given
rebates for 4 races. It seems they don't pay rebates on
2.10 or 2.20 payouts

[place to win]

Hi Gibber,
Thanks for pointing that out.I wrote yesterdays result last night when I was a little tired.Lucky we don't have a lot of horses playing only 2.20 to place.One other note when the major NY meeting is running they only give you a 4% rebate not 7%.I don't know why but that the way it is set up.Overall both situations will have very little impact on our bottomline.
Thanks Again

[jimmya]

I pasted in Pinnacle's rules on the rebates below.

Rebates:

1.

A rebate of 7% will be paid on all internet wagers and 5% on all telephone wagers on a DAILY basis, with the following exception: Internet and telephone wagers on Saratoga, Belmont, and Aqueduct will be paid a rebate of 4%. There are no minimum weekly volume requirements and there is no maximum on how much you can earn.
2.

No rebate will be given on cancelled wagers or wagers refunded due to a scratch.
3.

The minimum telephone wager is $100 per call. For Information on telephone wagers, please contact our Customer Service Department at csd@pinnaclesports.com.
4.

Place and Show wagers that pay $2.10 for $2 or $2.20 for $2 are not eligible for a rebate.
5.

No rebate is paid on matchups bets, fixed odds bets, and propositions.

[place to win]

Hi Irish,
Betting to show is not worth the effort.I have tested out my program over and over and the best bet is the place bet as it gives you a very high win % and ROI but most important it keeps your bankroll at very low risk.

[place to win]

Hi Jimmya and Manaf,
I have added you to the list.
Thanks

[place to win]

Hi Gibber and Jimmya,
Gibber thanks for catching the pinnacle rebate issue.Jimmya thanks for posting the pinnacles rules I should have posted that from day one..I will be crediting your account with 1 free week of service for your help.My new data person starts training today so that will be a big help for me.

[place to win]

Yesterdays Update results due to the rebate mixup a loss of $97.

[place to win]

Hi,
A recap of our first 6 days
Total plays 29 winners 19 for a win (place) % of 65.5%
Total invested based on $200 per unit $6300
Profit on $6300 is $666
Total returned on every $ wagered 10.57 % (ROI)

[place to win]

Today's Plays,
Churchill Race 2 #1 Megagpunch
Churchill Race 11 #5 Likely
Churchill Race 8 #7 Behaving Badly
Arlington Race 8 #5 Fifteen Rounds
Arlington Race 9 #2 Stop a train
Calder Race 12 #5 Lord Abounding
Charlestown Race 4 #1 Circuit Breaker
Charlestown Race 10 #4 Summer Lullaby
Good Luck

[noise]

hmm looks interesting...

[Pooper Scoopers]

Place to win I was wondering if you have decided on a price for your service yet. Also before I start betting I would like to know if your results for the last 6 days are typical or bettor or worse than average? Last question is what is the worst I can expect as far as have you had any losing weeks or months? I have been burned in sports betting but am willing to give this a chance as I have no experience in horse racing but this looks promissing.

Thanks for your help

:party smi

[Mr.Blonde]

Regarding the rebate programs, over at tcbets, I saw this......Place and Show wagers that pay $2.20 to $2 or less are not eligible for a rebate.


And at Pinnacle.........Place and Show wagers that pay $2.10 for $2 or $2.20 for $2 are not eligible for a rebate.



The "no rebates on short-priced placers" cuts into the bottom line a little bit, but getting cash back from a sportsbook is still pretty sweet.

[place to win]

Hi Mr.Blonde.
This is correct,it was addressed in a prior thread.Lucky we don't have that many $2.20 !!

[place to win]

Scoopers,
I will be posting rates ect tomorrow.

[place to win]

Today's Results,
Great day today!! We had 7 plays as Summer Lullaby did not run.... 6 winners with prices of 2.80,2.40,3.60,2.60,2.40 and 2.20(no rebate).Betting our base bet of $200 + our rebate of $70 for a total profit of $270.00 for the day.

[gibber]

TO:
Place To Win:

What about the rebate for: Churchill Race 2 #1 Megagpunch
It was a loser,but you should get a rebate. Are you testing us?

[place to win]

Hi Gibber,
Very Good!!! I had my money on you!! Add +$14 to the total.After my post tomorrow please email me at placetowin@hotmail.com.
Thanks,
Bob

[place to win]

Today's Plays,
Thistletown Race 9 #3 Bit of Vengence
Hollywood Race 2 #4 Appealing Sweets
Mountaineer Race 5 #4 Valentine
Belmont Race 2 #6 It's the Ritz
Charlestown 3 #3 Marquette Warrior
Good Luck

[gibber]

TO: PTW

I just sent you an email.

[place to win]

Hi,
I hope everyone is enjoying the free trail and making some money!! The free trail ends after I post Thurday's plays.The reason I will be limiting membership is because I know some people will go ahead and bet directly into the track pool giving up the 7% rebate as they will feel it is easier to do it that way.For most of the tracks that we play this is not a big deal but for some of the smaller tracks it would have an impact.Example a horse that should pay $3.00 will now pay $2.60 or $2.40 this would be defeating to the program.I make my living betting the same plays as I give out to my members so in the long run this would cost everyone money.I will be offering a starter package starting on Friday May 12 thru May 26 for the cost of $40 for this period.The reason the price is so low that I want to give members additional time to build up their bankrolls.I know some of you are already making money betting the plays so this will give you and everyone else even more time to build your bankroll.After May 26 my weekly cost will be $50 per week.If you plan to join the program please send an email to placetowin@hotmail.com with your name and the email address that you wish the selections sent to.Please do not respond if you do not plan on joining as I do have a cutoff number of members and I don't want have to turn away anyone that wishs to join.All payments will be made thru egold a account # that will be sent to you in the next few days.If someone wants to join the program and did not join the starter program the weekly cost of the service will be $75 per week providing spots are open.I am offering this service to help offset my administration costs but more important it will free me up more time to devote more time to the program.I don't know any other program that gives you the ROI and low risk that may program that mine does but if this is not what you are looking for I wish you only the best in the future.
Thanks and lets have a winning day today!!
Bob

[ltproducts]

hi bob
what is the minimum bankroll needed to get involved with this on a profitable basis??

[place to win]

Hi,
I personally play with a 15 unit lifetime bankroll but if you are just starting out I would start with a 25 unit bankroll as you slowly increase your wagers.
Bob

[place to win]

Hello Everyone,
Thank you to everyone that signed up for the starter program.I am at 70% of the amount of members that I am looking for membership.I am sure you will find that my program will give you a steady income for years to come.
Thanks,
Bob

[KC_Troy]

place to win heres my email if you havnt yet got it digital_press_boy@hotmail.com. how much will your program cost?

[place to win]

Hi KC,
Please see thread 107 for rates ect.
Thanks,
Bob

[place to win]

Hi,
Yesterday's results 5 plays 2 winners and 3 losses.Our payouts 2.20,2.20 (no rebate) Down $560.00 - Our rebate of $42 for a total loss $518.Not to worry as the progam dictates the on Wednesday we will be moving to a 1.5 unit bet.This is where the program makes the majority of our profits.

[KC_Troy]

Hi place to win thanks for the hint. And too bad about the $560 loss i cant wait too see what happens 2morro

[place to win]

Hi,
Today's plays are all for 1.5 units....
Churchill Race 1 # 6 Pop Corn
Churchill Race 4 #4 Evaluate
Hollywood Race 3 #4 Cut Trail
Hollywood Race 5 #7 Glassy
Bay Meadows Race 3 #4 Ladies Souvenier
Good Luck

[Pooper Scoopers]

Just my luck I started betting today. I hope this turns around tomarrow as today was really bad..

Pooper

[place to win]

Hello Everyone,
I will be taking a break as my latests result have been unexpectedly below avarage and I want to go over all my results for the last 18 months.
Thanks,
Bob

[Mr.Blonde]

Bob - What happened?

[Pooper Scoopers]

I was wondering the same thing.

Pooper

[ranger]

hi there
i want to get started in horse betting online...can u suggest a good site that i can open a betting account to put my fund in? hear from u soon.

[irishwhisper]

betfair or betdaq mate.

[place to win]

Hi Irish and Ranger,
I use Pinnacle with no problems.I will have some news later in the week about the service.
Thanks,
Bob

[TradeWH]

any news yet?

[Pooper Scoopers]

Forget it. I have already given up. I have heard horce racing is not beatable but this did look promising. Not anymore.

Pooper

[irishwhisper]

give the man a chance mate fairplay 2 him 4 being brave and honest enough 2 take a break in an effort 2 bring us a quality service.