I received the following e-mail from a member which I will not name. Since he mentioned TG in his e-mail to me, I though I would come here and ask you good folks your opinion as to what I should do IF anything.
QUOTE:
Dear Mr. Clayton L. Parker, August 8, 2008
I have sent you, or your support, 1 e-mail already confirming my deposit to your e-gold account and have not received any reply. I also gave details of my SolidTrustPay account and as of today I have not received the promised payment.
I will put it down to an adminisration error at the moment but if I don't hear from you, or your support, in the next few days then I will become angry.
If I don't receive my first and second payment by the end of business on the 11 August then I will post on TalkGold forum (where I read your plans) and it won't be a complimentary post. I will also be in contact with the owners, administration and moderators of that forum and asking (demanding) that you be banned from posting again.
I will also join every other forum where I see your name (and I believe thare are many of them) and do the same. That is just to start. The next obvious step would be to contact the appropriate authorities, not only in your jurisdiction but around the world. If you haven't already got your diplomatic passport and immunity then you better hope that you get it soon.
The ball is in your court. Fail to deliver and I will destroy your name and that of the Samgroup and any other companies that I find out you are associated with.
Yours sincerely and seriously,
Name deleted UNQUOTE:
I replied with the following ... please note the date the spend was made and the date of this letter to me.
Account xxxxx (The Golden Fox Opportunity)
History Page 1 of 1
(1-2 of 2 entries)
Dates: 7/8/2008 - 8/8/2008
Transactions: 7/28/2008
05:51 Payment Received 100.00 USD 931.00
From: xxxxxx
8/4/2008 15:04 Payment Made 17.50 USD 906.70
To: xxxxx
Memo: #1 of 20 ... The Golden Fox
AFTER proving the payment WAS made on his first week due date, I then quoted some text from my links where IF you spent from e-gold, I would pay your e-gold account until the initial funds were returned, then pay your STP account the net profit so he could withdraw it using STP's debit card. The $17.50 is 1/10 of 10 payments which includes his $100 deposit plus $25 matching funds PLUS $50 for the cost of the debit card to equal $175 over the 1st 10 weeks, the remaining 10 weeks will be $10 per week to his STP account.
My question to you folks:
Would you get upset and cancel his position with a full refund, ignore it and allow him to be a part of your program, or WHAT would you do ... IF anything?
The reason I ask is, I have had to contend with morons, idiots and cavemen for quite a while, and I'm not thinking straight where they are concerned. So, since it is NOT my mistake, but rather his, and he has threatened me as you can tell from his letter, I want your opinion in this matter.
It's your call as to whether he will remain in my opportunity which is NOT an investment or hyip.
What you folks say will go!
Kindly give a thumbs up, or down. I value your opinions. His second week payment is due Monday. As you can see, his first week payment was made on time and on the correct date. He simply did not check his e-gold account and did not find his first payment to be in his STP account and wrote the letter. I do not want to be as hasty or nasty as he was, so I am asking your opinions.
Please post your replies as soon as possible as I must make a decision within the next 24 hours from now.
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OK, why did I get a warning point for an unacceptable signature.
Here is the rule: Referral links may, however, be used in signatures, anywhere.
Kindly explain why I can't have my web page in my signature. As people can click on any user name and find the web page, so why does the rule say it can be in the signature and you say it can't?
Thanks.
NOTE: The gentleman is a typical (*) from the UK, and has not replied. So, what you suggest is I give him a refund without his reply? Is that correct? And, yes, my opportunity is NOT a hyip. If YOU thinks so, then YOU have not evaluated the structure as my legal team has.
OK, on second look, I may have posted it within the body of the message and not in the signature line. Is that truly worthy of a warning point from you? I know you do not like me, which is ok with me, but to not overlook such a small error is unacceptable on my part regarding you.
Also, one warning point was removed yet it still shows in my thread at the top right. I now have two warning points not three! The most recent warning point will expire in 18 days.
Here is the PM I received on 7/31/2008:
Dear Spring Creek Fox,
A warning you have received for violating Talkgold HYIP, Investment & Money Forum Rules has been removed by the Forums team. The removed warning concerned:
NOW, Kindly correct your error and give yourself one warning point.
Bad Post Or Incorrect Formatting
(Warning Type = Bad Post - Incorrect Formatting)
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Clayton L. Parker
Last edited by Spring Creek Fox : 08-11-2008 at 04:48 AM.
The solicitation of the public for monetary investment with the promise of unusually high returns without a license is illegal in almost ANY country, in particular in the USA under the US Securities Act of 1933.
Not only that but your web site holds none of the required government disclaimers nor do you actually stipulate how returns are generated.
The solicitation of the public for monetary investment with the promise of unusually high returns without a license is illegal in almost ANY country, in particular in the USA under the US Securities Act of 1933.
Not only that but your web site holds non of the required government disclaimers nor do you actually stipulate how returns are generated.
How returns are generated is of no concern to the members. Where the funds are derived from is stated. It is from a trust that holds funds to be given away. How they got there to be given away is of no concern to anyone anywhere. The fact is, they are to be given away, and it's my way of giving them away through my structured opportunity.
And, I will not even think of firing my legal team. Plus, I have already faced the SEC, and they have not taken any form of action in any aspect since I met with them on April 18, 2007. If you know something they don't then kindly take the challenge to receive $20K by quoting the law I am breaking and give a detailed explanation as to how the law you quote is being broken as it relates to my structured opportunity. I will then pass it on to my legal team, and they will then authorize me to release the funds to you from the trust ... That is IF in fact you have found something in the law that they have not.
Kindly do that, and IF your comment can hold water, you will have proven what you say. Now, instead of making ignorant comments about a structure you know nothing about, prove what you say by showing me the law that is being broken under my structure.
The authorities can easily find me, and I have been online for over 3 years. So, why haven't they done something about it?
I have had to contend with idiots, morons and cavemen at every turn, and I will defend my structure in any court in the land if it comes to that and I will surely defend it at this forum. I have a DUTY to give away trust funds, and this is how I do it. There is NO INVESTMENT involved.
You don't expect members to read a word on what how and when do you? If someone told me they were going to destroy my name I don't know what I would say. Slightly hard to say much of anything when you are rofl, very amused.
I usually use the same 2 words IF I do get to the point where I can speak
oops nearly forgot
I go with mrGHS obvious answer above as well .. return what he/she punted here and be done
You don't expect members to read a word on what how and when do you? If someone told me they were going to destroy my name I don't know what I would say. Slightly hard to say much of anything when you are rofl, very amused.
Yes, I do expect astute folks to give their opinion after being appraised of the full facts before they make a comment out of ignorance like some do. That's why I gave full information for them to evaluate the situation, and I am asking them to tell me what they would do. I know what I want to do, but I need a few opinions before I make a decision out of haste. I don't expect moderators to participate because they don't appear to qualify.
I'm glad you are amused. Laughter is good for you. And, since you agree with Mr. GSH, I'll refund him and cancel his position. I'll make an exception in this case and allow moderators to participate in the decision making, although my better judgment says different due to the mistakes they make about warning points.
NOW, KINDLY ...
I'm still waiting on a reply about the warning point from the moderator that gave me the warning point. Where are they when you need them?
You got your warning from me for putting signature info inside of your post. You were already explained why it is not a good idea before, and corrected it. Now you tried to do it again. Don't.
IN regards to your interpretation of my advice, I suggested to give a member some reasonable time to reply before making any decision, and making him an offer of refund. But ultimately it is up to you. If you wish, you can kick out all of them.... And deal with consequences later.
e-metal® payment confirmation: Batch 90705035
Paid To: xxxxx (xxxxx)
Amount: 84.01 US Dollars' worth of Gold
Memo: TGF position CLOSED .. transfer fees added
From: xxxxx (The Golden Fox Opportunity)
Mr. GSH,
I will not kick out any wanting FREE MONEY ... well, except one. I closed his position along with transfer fees to him. I don't want anyone to lose one red cent from me.
He can always make another request to join and start over. This way I am not holding his money and his funds plus transfer fees are now back in his hands. What is more fair than that?
As for my signature in the body of the message, I did not have a signature so, I though I could place it along with the post and it would be ok. But, the rules can not be bent to appease the members for any reason, and I understand that ... I thimk!
You still did not address the warning point that was supposed to be removed. Kindly do that for me. And, don't forget to take your ... whatever it is you take that your initials stand for.
Isn't it better to get to know the Admin of a program than to blindly spend to one that you have no idea who is running it? I think so!
This thread is closed as far as the help I asked for and it didn't take very long to accomplish it. So, now everyone is happy ... well, maybe not T, cause he won't have any of my post to read to keep him laughing. I'll try to think of something else later after my warning points are resolved.
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Clayton L. Parker
Last edited by Spring Creek Fox : 08-11-2008 at 06:02 AM.
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