Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
We didnt start any war or post black PR against any payment system.
But seems that Ecumoney is not so popular and tries to discredit all their competitors, including Liberty Reserve or Perfect Money.
Better not use fake name anymore, Alex. Seems that you're Ecumoney admin.
Consult with your system administrator and configure email server correctly to avoid errors like:
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for <information@perfectmoney.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:38:15 +0200
Return-Path: <anonymous@ecu.ecumoney.com>
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Date: 11 Jun 2009 06:05:19 +0400
Message-ID: <20090611020519.14791.qmail@ecu.ecumoney.com> To: information@perfectmoney.com
From: jim@intelsoft.biz Subject: IntelSoft
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X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters
Status: U
X-UIDL: 1244684295.32720_2370.mail.perfectmoney.co
Dear unknown,
You are perfectidiots:
1- You blocked an account that is used by a Client to whom we supply a mailbox on our server,
2- You blocked the only account that had a null balance,
3- You give us good reasons to warn our clients about your e-currency. Be sure it will be done now, one BIG exchanger to whom we sold our Instant Exchange script already decided to remove PM from his supported currencies.
Perfectmoney, perfectscammer, perfectidiots
A thread on TG has immediately been opened, that should bring more value to your reputation
PM wrote:
> Dear intelsoft.biz,
>
> Your account has been terminated, as result of PR activity.
>
> Black Public Relations (BPR) or negative PR is a process of destroying someone's reputation and corporate identity.
>
> We dont understand your false claims, - why?
>
> Best Regards,
>
Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
LOL of course we do host ecumoney as we developed their software, it isn't a secret, just read our homepage, and we are noted at the bottom of ecumoney website too
* This IP has not seen any suspicious activity within the last 3 months. This IP is most likely clean and trustworthy now. (This record will remain public for historical purposes, however.)
And About this "Alex Naumov", sorry but I don't know any, nor in my company Intelsoft nor in Ecumoney. The threads you point on Google send to sites with dates from 2003 to 2005...
Our relationship with Ecumoney are business relationship, we made their software, host them and manage their server, in exchange of payment. We also wrote software for other companies, exchangers, etc etc. Maybe we own them too?
BTW Eculotto was made by Intelsoft too of course, but we do not host them! So the IP is not the same, sorry, LOL!
> Your boss will not be happy for your fault. We are sorry.
Ah, you told me that I am the boss, I am confused now
BTW something is strange, PM admin, why in your Google links you are using the RUSSIAN language?
?hl=ru : Russian language, Google switches to this language when the user is in Russia
Are you in Russia? I thought PM was a SWISS company
Thank you to confirm
You are ridiculous Get a life, buy a brain! BTW it is the first time the PM admin is posting here, maybe because they begin to feel in trouble, who knows...
Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
That would be funny as there were good articles about ecumoney on ecommercejournal about 2 or 3 months ago, let's see if (and how) they change their mind now.
Redd, to be sure you understand correctly (!), Ecumoney is one client like another (ok, maybe a bigger!), we are both distinct companies, we made their soft, upgrade it when necessary, we host them, manage their server, etc, but we are not them Sadly, because they are much bigger than my small Vanuatu company!
So if ecj posts something, they must post about Intelsoft
That would be a great free advertising: In marketing, even BAD advertising IS advertising
Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
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Originally Posted by intelsoft
That would be funny as there were good articles about ecumoney on ecommercejournal about 2 or 3 months ago, let's see if (and how) they change their mind now.
Redd, to be sure you understand correctly (!), Ecumoney is one client like another (ok, maybe a bigger!), we are both distinct companies, we made their soft, upgrade it when necessary, we host them, manage their server, etc, but we are not them Sadly, because they are much bigger than my small Vanuatu company!
So if ecj posts something, they must post about Intelsoft
That would be a great free advertising: In marketing, even BAD advertising IS advertising
Jim
CEO
Yea, intelsoft is as separate from ecumoney as dragonara is separate from perfectmoney.
Please explain why ECUmoney violated the privacy of every account holder by allowing you ( a 3rd party software development company) to have access to the data on their server? Or am I right that you and ECU are the same?
Maybe the ECJ article will be about how ECU shares its users' information with 3rd parties like your company and eculotto.
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Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
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Originally Posted by Redd
Yea, intelsoft is as separate from ecumoney as dragonara is separate from perfectmoney.
Please explain why ECUmoney violated the privacy of every account holder by allowing you ( a 3rd party software development company) to have access to the data on their server? Or am I right that you and ECU are the same?
Maybe the ECJ article will be about how ECU shares its users' information with 3rd parties like your company and eculotto.
I do not know which relationship has Dragonara with Perfectmoney, unless having their bank accounts in the same Cyprus bank...
We have our bank accounts in Vanuatu (wanna send a donation? No problem!), Ecumoney has in Switzerland and NZ as far as I know.
We develop for Ecumoney and host them as we develop or/and host other companies, that PAY us. But you are probably too young to know what is a commercial relationship Oh and FYI we also worked for other e-currencies on a case by case basis, some of them even put our name on their website. Search and you should find. Should that mean that we also own these other e-currencies? That would be great
We have access to the data of Ecumoney? Explain me how, please? I will teach you something, if you are able to understand:
The Ecumoney data files are encrypted with a key that only ecumoney has, we don't. It means that even if we would look at the data files (accounts, logs etc) we CAN NOT read them as we haven't the keys.
I won't explain you what is SHA256 that we used to encrypt the files as I am pretty sure that it would be a loss of time. Just google this and you will understand (maybe!) that it makes the files NOT readable. Even by the NSA.
Now about eculotto, yes we did the software but it was an order from an independent company, not by Ecumoney. I won't disclose who they are, I think it is on their website anyway. Maybe ALL websites that accept Ecumoney are owned by Ecumoney and so by IntelSoft? Hey I would like so, Adex!
But you forgot to speak about EcuSMS that we also did and that IS run by Ecumoney
Thank you to offer me the opportunity to promote, once more, our company
Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
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Originally Posted by intelsoft
We develop for Ecumoney and host them as we develop or/and host other companies, that PAY us. But you are probably too young to know what is a commercial relationship Oh and FYI we also worked for other e-currencies on a case by case basis, some of them even put our name on their website. Search and you should find. Should that mean that we also own these other e-currencies? That would be great
We have access to the data of Ecumoney? Explain me how, please? I will teach you something, if you are able to understand:
The Ecumoney data files are encrypted with a key that only ecumoney has, we don't. It means that even if we would look at the data files (accounts, logs etc) we CAN NOT read them as we haven't the keys.
I won't explain you what is SHA256 that we used to encrypt the files as I am pretty sure that it would be a loss of time. Just google this and you will understand (maybe!) that it makes the files NOT readable. Even by the NSA.
Jim
CEO
I do not need lessons from people who call themselves programmers but do not know what sha256 is or how to use it.
SHA256 is not an encryption algorithm, it is a hashing function. You cannot hash user data because hash is a one way algorithm which will destroy the original data. You cannot reverse it.
Let me explain this to you:
When you as serveradmin have full access to the server, then you have the same access as ECU admin has. If he can see the data, then you too can see it. If you developed the admin area where admin can see the data, then you can see the data.
"we CAN NOT read them as we haven't the keys"
So how does a user who logs into his account can see his own information? Where is the key stored?
Let me tell you how it works in detail:
When ecu user logs into his account, the server will decrypt his data (if it is encrypted at all) with a key that is stored on that server, and provide this information to the user. That means the key is on the server you fully control!
You control the server and you do have access to the key. You can decrypt the whole database and see everything because you designed it!!!
So, let me ask you again:
Please explain why ECUmoney violated the privacy of every account holder by allowing you ( a 3rd party software development company) to have access to the data on their server? Or am I right that you and ECU are the same?
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Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ARTIST
Ah-la-la Redd is less stupid than we imagined (Dave speaking, Jim is sleeping
YES Redd, SHA256 is a hashing function, you are perfectly right, and a one way, as you told. Jim just noticed SHA because he needed to go and sleep, that is why I will complete and develop his reply.
> When you as serveradmin have full access to the server, then you have the same access as ECU admin has. If he can see the data, then you too can see it. If you developed the admin area where admin can see the data, then you can see the data.
You are completely wromg, and as there are on this forum not only jerks but also some serious people (No no Redd, I am not talking about you here!), here is in short how we have made for the Ecumoney files to be protected.
As Doctor Redd wrote, any encryption needs a key to encrypt/decrypt. But what is above Dr. redd's ability to understand is that it IS possible to have some keys that are NOT stored on the server, that nobody but the final Client (the Ecumoney USER) knows, and that work!
Each Ecu account has a number, a name, and a password. The encryption/decryption key of each account is a SHA256 hash of a combination of 4 data: The 3 data of the Ecu account (Number, name and password), plus a secret key ("company key") that IS stored on the server, yes Dr Redd but even a genius like you cannot do anything with it!
This "client's key" is unique for each account, as SHA256 hashes are unique (At least today nobody was able to generate equal hashes from various data, unlikely MD5). This key is used to encrypt a part of the account data, especially the personal data (name address etc), history and balance.
So, the account data is stored encrypted with this key (I won't detail the algorithms we use for encrypting, no need to ask
When a Ecu client logs in, he sends his account name and password. Passwords are stored in their hashed form. We compare the hash of the password sent and the hash stored in the account; if they are equal, the software gets the account name, and using the "company key", will generate the decryption key that is then used to decrypt the account data, that is finally sent to the client. This key is stored the time of the session, that are about 10 minutes, after which the key is deleted, that is why the Ecu client must login again to generate his key again.
It means concretely that as long as the account name/password is safe, the decryption key cannot be recreated, and so the account cannot be decrypted.
> So how does a user who logs into his account can see his own information? Where is the key stored?
Did you understand now? I love educating people, really
For the Ecu support is able to verify some part of the data (address and phone number for example), this data is encrypted with a "Support key" that does not give access to the balance nor the history. (Support does not see the balance nor history). And there is a higher step for the Administration of Ecumoney that CAN see the balance and history, using this time a key that is stored on THEIR local computers.
Concretely: You can hack the server, stole the computer and get the disks, you won't be able to know ANY account data unless you have the account password, for each account. You can see a small part of the data of the account, using the support key. But even here, there is a process that won't be explained here.
When a client receives a payment, his balance/history must be updated. we then use another way, that will not be described here.
If people are interested to know more they can contact us by email (address on our website), we can of course deliver this system for their applications, websites etc.
Dr Redd, did I reply to your request? Ah, your last question: We have NO access to the data of the Ecumoney Clients, unless of course each client gives us his account password. What we could do with a minimal work is to see a part of the data of each account, really less than any hosting company could see on their client's accounts.
But what you don't seem to know are the 2 words PROBITY and MORALITY. We do not look simply because that would be "bad". Surprising for you, I am sure that you will laugh
Another reason if you want: We simply would have no time, lol! And frankly speaking, we don't care of this, have no interest at all to know what is your address, Dr Redd. I have no plan to have a drink with you
Well finally the perfectscamoney admin and Dr Redd, together allies (unbelievable!) allow our company to advertise for free, that is great! I will suggest to Jim to buy a "sticky" on this forum, seriously.
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Re: Intelligent Software Ltd. (intelsoft.biz),Alex Naumov (jammer),Ecumoney = CON ART
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