[wisechild]

This morning I checked my history page, and these things were listed under the Other Transactions section:

ID Date Amount Description From

6007 2005-12-22 $-226.80 Referral Commission #283549 Chargeback Administration

6016 2005-12-22 $-202.32 Referral Commission #270984 Chargeback Administration

6017 2005-12-22 $-72.00 Referral Commission #269337 Chargeback Administration

6044 2005-12-22 $-1.44 Referral Commission #252826 Chargeback - Deducted from Cashout #268267 Administration


Anyone knows something about this? I didn't receive any email from 12dp about this, no explanation.

Only found 1 person in the 12dp forum with this problem so far, a reply says it's something wrong with your referral.. DOH!! but what??

All of my referrals are valid and legit, I can send you the chat logs if you want. The first one I already paid 300$ to get his referral. The 2nd I already paid 200$. (I still have the batch # and receipts) The last two chargebacks are from a referral I never had contact with... So you see it's not only 500$ that I fail to earn in the future, it's 500$ that I ALREADY paid out to those referrals out of my own pocket!! And now I won't be able to earn a cent from them... Result: 500$ lost from my own pocket (Im assuming this, it is part of my $$ incentive). AND minus 500$ (chargeback) on my payouts (why??)...

I reread both chat logs, it is really hard to believe that they those 2 refs could be scammer, very normal conversation, plenty of personal info, doubts, questions, worries... nothing suspicious at all.
The thing is first one only surfed 2 pages (upgraded Dec. 20th), second one surfed only 14 pages (upgraded Dec. 18th). Nobody in their right mind will miss a day of surfing with that kind of big upgrades....


So, my guess #1, they scammed me and only signed up to get my $$$ bonus:
How did they do it? They both upgraded with EGOLD and I even have their batch #. Of course, let's assume they made it up and upgraded with SP. Now, that's either a credit card or a bank account.. Both are real money. So how did they chargeback 12dp, which in turn charge me back the commission? Or did I miss something? How can 12dp accept an upgrade, then kills it a few days later? Or did they only killed my commissions? For what reason? Those are my 3 biggest referrals... coincidence? I only advertise in forums in the appropriate sections.

My guess #2, they had an upline before, then deleted their account to join me:
Is this allowed? There is no concensus on this. Either way, I always ask every of my referrals if they already had a 12dp account before, if they had an upline, etc.. Of course, both of them said no. Assuming this is the problem, then why should I be punished for their mistake? There is no way to tell if a referral already had an upline before or not, you just have to trust them... With the kind of incentives I gave them, it is most unfair that some members get overcompensated even when the problem is their own fault, while I did nothing wrong and 12dp literally make me pay hundreds for someone else's account problem/cheat attempt. All the referrals mentioned are still on my list and Upgraded, so I assume there's nothing wrong on their end. If my #2 guess is right, then I will have many more ideas to share, but I'll try to figure out what is what first.

I'm posting here while waiting for their ticket & forum to come back from maintenance (should have been back 1h ago already)...

UPDATE:
I made a ticket listed as Urgent (there's Emergency and Critical too, but I wanted to be nice).
Ticket ID: WHN-324197

No answer yet.. No news from the referrals either..

I just hope that the parachute opens before I touch land...

I have found some1 else who almost got scammed in the same way... Not the same referral though, but it might just be a fake identity, or partners in crime grrr

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showth...t=50554&page=1

Note that his chargebacks were done on the SAME day as mine!!!