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Originally Posted by luckydog
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Any members in the U.S. may want to hold off on joining the matrix or making purchases at all, unless Brian sees a way around this. According to laws governing U.S. citizens the law states that participating in a foreign lotto is illegal a.k.a. racketerring.
see below:
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 95 - RACKETEERING
Sec. 1953. Interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia
(a) Whoever, except a common carrier in the usual course of its business, knowingly carries or sends in interstate or foreign commerce any record, paraphernalia, ticket, certificate, bills, slip, token, paper, writing, or other device used, or to be used, or adapted, devised, or designed for use in
(a) bookmaking; or
(b) wagering pools with respect to a sporting event; or
(c) in anumbers, policy, bolita, or similar game
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years or both.
To which "Mike" replied:
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No one is sending or receiving by common carrier anything, so not applicable.
Good luck to all, Mike
And then Bryan Marsen replied:
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BM
Bryan Marsden Ceo of Pips.
Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005
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This relates to offline physical tickets, betting slips,advertising leaflets,etc.
The header on the Law is: 1953. Interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia
Dated: 1953 - internet did not exist then - not applicable.
Are there any addendums to this law that includes the internet.
Bryan
BEWARE - YOU ARE BEING MISLEAD
What both Mike and Bryan Marsden have done is selectively post from the website. They have neglected to point out that the first line quoted says:
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"(a) Whoever, except a common carrier in the usual course of its business, knowingly carries or sends in interstate or foreign commerce any record, paraphernalia, ticket, certificate, bills, slip, token, paper, writing, or other device used, or to be used, or adapted, devised, or designed for use in
that means anyone else, other than a carrier of goods, i.e. the Post Office, who does this as part of his normal business. In other words, someone who could not reasonably know that in amongst the millions of articles they are transporting are some of the prohibited goods.
And, the final definition they have also omitted which says:
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(e) For the purposes of this section ''lottery'' means the pooling of proceeds derived from the sale of tickets or chances and allotting those proceeds or parts thereof by chance to one or more chance takers or ticket purchasers. ''Lottery'' does not include the placing or accepting of bets or wagers on sporting events or contests.
There is NO exemption for internet based lotteries, the definition is extremely clear.
Seems something of a moot point, whether the lottery is legal or not, when they are choosing to ignore the many cease and desist orders issued by many states.
Its okay, let them lose more money. When we warn them they insult us. So let them participate in a program that now its LEGAL to take your money and give you nothing. As if you can create residual income on LOTTO. What a joke! Maybe if you had a whole city playing it everyday like 6/49 or super 7. Not some crappy lotto that under 30 000 people are going to play.
Seems these people like building their houses on the flood planes, so when the floods take their houses they can scream oh god why did you take my house. And then they rebuild the damn thing on the same spot. That's what all these rolclubbers are doing. And for some reason they think its smart. I guess the world turns thanks to idiots with deep pockets.
Seems something of a moot point, whether the lottery is legal or not, when they are choosing to ignore the many cease and desist orders issued by many states.
The point is not whether this particular lottery is legal or not.
The point is, it is illegal for U.S. citizens to participate in any overseas lottery.
My original post makes it very clear, the linked page quotes the whole of the relevant statute.
"Mike" and whoever is posting as "Bryan Marsden" are attempting to mislead the ROIclub members by misquoting the provisions of the statute, leaving out the relevant passages and claiming the act has no relevance to the internet.
It may be illegal for US citzens to participate in a foriegn lottery. But that does not make it illegal for the rest of the world. Your laws mean nothing to me and millions of other non US residents.
And I could also accuse you of misquoting or leaving out relevant passages when you go from (a) to (e).
What I am, however, is concerned that by inaccurately answering a members legitimate question, "Mike", "Bryan Marsden" and others of their ilk may lead U.S. PIPS members into inadvertently breaking their own countries laws.
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