Let's work together!

nef · #1 02-13-2007, 02:30 PM

What I witnessed last night in the Catty??? thread was sickening. I've never seen so many grown adults get into a war of words to prove absolutely nothing in my life. It was embarassing and I refused to get involved in that mess.

It's very clear to me that there are a group of folks here who know each other's past very well and use it in a game of wits, personal attacks and button pushing in order to pick fights. I also remembered the other reason I got out of this industry, it's the deeply disturbing way in which people hate other people for screwing them out of their money when they say they know how ponzies work, they are grown adults and can play ponzies if they want. If you know how they work and your a grown adult who wants to play ponzies, then why are you blaming others and demanding your money back? Don't just talk the talk, walk it!

I quickly realized that I had to lower myself to match someone else's intensity by doing the very thing I hate, which is name calling and cussing, just to defend myself with supposed adults who showed up to bash me and others with someone's else's version of the truth, cussing, false accusations and name calling.

Not one person from MMG has asked me my side of the story about what happened to me there, but takes the word of someone that everyone knows scammed people with his doubler. The only people who didn't have to ask my side of the story are the people that I was friends with that helped me and others find the truth about the illegal nature of ponzies. I am still friends with them today, they know what happened and didn't blame me one single bit for getting even with someone who knows very well why I did it.

In this industry, no one cares about the truth. All they care about is the money and their 'holier than thou' respect and reputation as an honest and truthful admin/owner of a ponzi. They will say anything about anyone to make themselves look better by building their self-styled reputation and undue respect by bullying and threatening others who find out the truth about them and try to expose them in private to people who are new to the con game of ponzies.

The email to Spitfire was just too much and I do not mean funny. It was very immature and I even said so. Yes, it was funny, but not in the context of how it related to Spitfire - that was just mean. It was quickly followed by the bashing of members by other members who know how to do nothing but push buttons to pick fights and get warned or banned for doing so.

As for scambusting, I will be doing that in private and I will be going after those programs that are scamming big time. The little programs take care of themselves in due time. They die because that is the nature of ponzies and their steady increase in numbers over the last 2 years shows that no one could keep up with the demand to report each and everyone.

If anyone has info they wish to share on those programs that are big time scammers, you can PM me here at TG and I will see what I can do to report them to the proper authorities. Why give it to me? Do it yourself if you know they are scamming. PM me and I will give you links to the authorities.

I will not be creating threads on my scambusting here at TG and I will not report on the outcome of my reporting, since, as far as I am concerned, it serves no purpose. I will report to the authorities and let them do their job.

I will not be taking part in further discussions where members are bashing, name calling or stating false accusations without proof and I ask that you keep the discussion in this thread to the subject of learning to get along and working together.

Spitfire · #2 02-13-2007, 03:15 PM

I suggested that for over a month now about everybody should work together to find out what is going. What I meant was for TalkGold owner and admin, Catty, Code4Gold, Wolfunds, WWSN and others to work together about the hacking and ddosing of the websites and so forth. Not eveyrbody on all sides wanted to do it because there is a deep rooted hatred towards each other. You could see where it have lead to? Only Brian was interested in the information that I have gathered and all the coincidences that went on. I tried to be the bridge to have everybody give each other an olive branch. I am not sure there will be any cooperation with each other until everybody can get their past disagreements behind them. It sure is not fun to be a punching bag for others gang up on me in the threads.

nef · #3 02-13-2007, 03:32 PM

I'm only beginning to see the deep-seated hatred between some folks here at TG and MMG. What bothers me more is why I allowed myself to get pulled into it all. It's human nature to defend oneself, but to see others abused for something that happened in their past, is nothing but an attempt at bringing someone down for personal gain. What purpose does that serve?

It's as though I've found an industry that deeply disturbs me. It's members are deceitful and abusive to those who are aware of all the scamming and illegal activities (DDoSing and hacking) in this industry and they want to blame those who are aware of being the ones perpetrating them. It just doesn't make sense. It's a never ending cycle of hatred that needs to end.

It's time to work together and that does not mean verbally abusive cussing, name-calling and false accusations.

nef · #4 02-13-2007, 03:55 PM

Lita, I agree. It is very hard not to get pulled into an arguement when someone is falsely accusing you of doing something you know is not 100% factual. When this happens, I can tell where they got their info and the fact that it is a version of someone else's truth to make themselves look a victim.

I'm concerned about those members who keep bringing up the past and think they know it as fact. What they usually know is a version of someone else's opinion.

It used to be, if you wanted to get down to the truth, you asked both parties involved their side of the story. In this industry, it all depends on whose side you're on and how well they con their followers.

Lita · #5 02-13-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nef

Lita, I agree. It is very hard not to get pulled into an arguement when someone is falsely accusing you of doing something you know is not 100% factual. When this happens, I can tell where they got their info and the fact that it is a version of someone else's truth to make themselves look a victim.

I'm concerned about those members who keep bringing up the past and think they know it as fact. What they usually know is a version of someone else's opinion.

It used to be, if you wanted to get down to the truth, you asked both parties involved their side of the story. In this industry, it all depends on whose side you're on and how well they con their followers.

Well I am trying to do better, hope I can. I encourage others to try harder to do better as well.

nef · #6 02-13-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lita

Well I am trying to do better, hope I can. I encourage others to try harder to do better as well.

Me too!

Spitfire · #7 02-13-2007, 04:00 PM

I agree with you on the small programs like Wolfunds and IM. They are two small, and not enough members in them to be ripped off of as heavy players in the business. Several of us including MrGSH, Ryz, ponzi_Nemises, and others have posted in the SwissCash thread about the feds warnings, the talltale signs of it being scams, and so forth. We call some of those members of the program as cheerleaders since it is a very hugh program. That is why the feds do not go after the small programs at all. The bigger the scam? The better to convict the owners of scamming.

nef · #8 02-13-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

I agree with you on the small programs like Wolfunds and IM. They are two small, and not enough members in them to be ripped off of as heavy players in the business. Several of us including MrGSH, Ryz, ponzi_Nemises, and others have posted in the SwissCash thread about the feds warnings, the talltale signs of it being scams, and so forth. We call some of those members of the program as cheerleaders since it is a very hugh program. That is why the feds do not go after the small programs at all. The bigger the scam? The better to convict the owners of scamming.

It is true that it is easier to convict the big guys!

BTW, the authorities will make contact with the small fry ponzi owners and give them a warning. That is usually enough to scare the begizzus out of them and get them to close their ponzies.

Lita · #9 02-13-2007, 03:28 PM

Well written Nef.
It has been difficult not to respond when some keep bringing up things that have been hashed over dozens of times on going for a year. Then their theories and purely made up stories.
Many times I have done my best not to keep responding to the same old, same old. Then it just builds up as it does not stop and I get sucked into suck silly arguments myself. I too am guilty.
In the warzone I have on very rare occasion reported a post. On those rare occasions my report has been on sever racial remarks or blantant spam. I figure if I tread in the war zone, then I except the consciquence of such.
Other than spam reports, I have pushed the report button only a few times. Even when someone is clearly attacking and or clearly off topic, I still did not push the button. I won't say I have not pushed the report button in regular threads, I say it has been rare and never has it been unjustified.

KingD · #10 02-13-2007, 06:20 PM

Great post Nef, probably the best thing I've ever read here in the warzone.

I personally think it's important to go after the programs that are telling people they are a real investment. Surf programs are the worst in general because people put thousands of dollars in upgrades in them. Currently the biggest and baddest is Bob Krimm and Tri-Star who operate 3 surf programs and operate a phony payment processor (http://www.tri-starmoneychangers.com). There are people dumping thousands of dollars into his programs and even some other surfs are using his payment processor. Bob Krimm is partners with Jake Amedee from AutosurfAuthority (asamonitor.com).

Other notable scammer is Lee Smith and LaDorra Clymer who have operated 3 surfs and 3 scam hyips in the last year. They are promoted by John McCallum of Fairpatton scam forums.

Those are the absolute worst people in this industry, and if you notice, none of them really post at TG, and most of them have been banned at MMG. So much for those who say Jason and Jacob at MMG don't remove scammers.