Hyip ethics, any ideas?

[LookFwd]

I am starting this topic after quite a long and mixed discussion on one of the investment forums.

I want you to give "hyip ethics" a definition. I just wonder. because I have never thought ppl might even talk about it.

When does a program become ethically good? Or what is more interesting HOW can a hyip meet ethic requirements?

[koopsta]

if we are to assume 99% of HYIPs are ponzis, then wouldn't it also be true to also assume 99% of them are unethical?

[LookFwd]

Originally Posted by koopsta

if we are to assume 99% of HYIPs are ponzis, then wouldn't it also be true to also assume 99% of them are unethical?

Exactly. Whatever the reason is, and in some cases it even turned out that collapse of a hyip was not admin's fault, they all leave the arena sometime. Assuming all of them are unethical makes us those who participate in hyip not that much different in fact, imo.

Then why not just consider hyip'ing as a sort of gambling for example.

[shipdit]

Originally Posted by LookFwd

Then why not just consider hyip'ing as a sort of gambling for example.

95% of the people on this forum do understand and consider "hyip'ing" as gambling.

SD

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[LookFwd]

Originally Posted by shipdit

95% of the people on this forum do understand and consider "hyip'ing" as gambling.

SD

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Hope so. But every time a hyip folds the same discussions start over and over again. However I would estimate the number of those by 50% at best, just imo.

[Tdinoz]

Originally Posted by LookFwd

Hope so. But every time a hyip folds the same discussions start over and over again.

Worse when it's by the usual suspects (punters)

Who should know all the dance steps in their sleep, by now.

Yet there they are still whining each time another folds

[Tdinoz]

One would be there all week counting posts of some. Easier to count how many hyip threads they have sooked in and over how many months, years. In some instances you could count how many times some have said they are leaving hyip 4 ever in.

[LookFwd]

Originally Posted by James Klaven

LOL - You cannot use the term HYIP and ethics int he same sentence ! Unless you gamble directly in the stock market or forex yourself, when you are dealing with HYIPs, you ARE dealing with ponzi ! end of story. All the HYIPs mentioned here and on monitors have nothing to do with ANY investments - they don't invest in forex, they don't invest ins tocks - at least not with your money as an individual - BUT strictly with the spend of major investors, those who put in huge amounts into the system - they take a 100% rake on the profits why the hell would they share - then they take a cut from the big ivnestors and pay out the majority of spends which are minimal. The large investor who had a few thousand $ spend is the one to lose - so these ponzi schemes rely on constant flow of investors (big ones) to fund small investors which are the majority. Once eventually word goes around or new big investors (sharks) stop swimming in the ponzi pond, they shut down.

IT IS admin's fault, for starting such a scam in the first place.

Is there money to be made YES no question no arguments people make money from those sites - the secret ? Investing tiny amounts and hopping from one new HYIP to another and earning from small spends.

The moment you decide to make a large spend on ANY HYIP, say for example $1000, this is where you get stung ! Look at the online calculaftor of those sites, that promise hundreds and even thousands of $ worth of dividend payments daily with thousands of investments put in - do you think ANY site can sustain paying that ? HELL NO ! they can sustain paying out $1 here, $5, maybe a $20 there, but the money you make comes from top investors who have been scammed dry of thousands of $$$.

The HYIP business IS unethical and those who JOIN one knowingly that they are STEALING and not earning off any real investments, are also unethical.

It always makes me laugh when I see your forum full of HYIP suckers who call themselves investors, they are so happy they spend $10, $20, $50 in any given system and are so proud of their $1 daily cashout........ Yet they don't know how these programs work on the inside. Try the experiment yourself, if you have extra money in your piggy bank, try putting $1000 or more in ANY of those HYIPs and see if you get paid or how long you get paid ! Stop bloody talking to mea bout those $1 daily withdrawls on your bloody alertpay account people, I want to bloody see some REAL PROOF !!! you spent $5000 investment, and you are earning $50-$100 A DAY, NO hyip or monitor EVER had ANY review of that, WHY ? Because there ain't no proof - every big spender gets stung. And it's safe to assume that people want big returns!

ALL HYIPs = PONZI

Monitors are just the accomplices - for promoting such TRASH and for a forum like this one to go on a referral whoring spree, and you have the BALLS to post a thread about ethics ! For f*cksake people !!!

Your opinion is just clear but it has nothing to do with my balls, bud And the word "ethics" doesn't have any cultural implication here.

FYI I know a way many ppl getting paid on "$5000 investment" for months. Of course they won't show up on public boards just to show YOU the proof because you want to see it.

[LookFwd]

Originally Posted by James Klaven

I call bullshit ! List the programs ! There is no HYIP that will pay you on $5000 investments for months....... No HYIP can sustain this - they feed off big investments to pay little ones. Whoever is telling you this is lying or shills .... Anybody who is STUPID enough to put 5k in ANY HYIP, when they will 100% lose their money and not get paid - ok maybe they get paid first few days/weeks, but they never will get their ROI. So don't lie !

List the programs in question that you know investors getting paid from their $5000 investments.....

Sorry but your argument is full of it - of course people will go on public forums and BRAG under anonymity that they earned from their 5k investments.

All I see lately are people bragging they got paid their bloody 0.60 !!!! that is pathetic !!! and people bragging on forums that they got paid their pocket change from HYIPs are usually monitor admins and shills who get paid to post.

Like I said, you can't mix ETHICS and HYIP in the same sentence. The whole principle behind HYIP is stealing, cheating, deceipt, scamming and feeding off large investors to feed the small ones (majority). If you are a member of ANY HYIP and making money - you might as well steal people's wallets - because that is what you are doing.

Being a member of an HYIP you are an accomplice to the scam, if you are into the program KNOWINGLY.

If you get paid from an HYIP and don't care where the money comes from, that's your problem. You better hope that when the major scam operation of an HYIP shuts down there is no ongoing investigations or clawbacks later on.

BTW a lot of the sites you are promoting on your blog (you are obviously a paid shill) have gone scam.

Also about flanita - you used the term "cashflow problem" bingo ! you've hit the ponzi on the button.

I have no problem, the only one who seems to have one is you.
Well, according to your very limited post history talking to you is similar to fighting a watermill.

You are not the first person to whom I say that I do anything I want, anything I consider fair while this blog is mine and it's not for a one post wonder like you to mix it up with dirt here and call me a paid shill. Go create your own best online investor paradise and maybe then I will see how truthfully cool you are.
All I see now is an angry troll with definitely some agenda in his mind trolling all the threads round this forum.

P.S. generally I am not rude to people but what comes around goes around, bud

[Not_A_Newbie]

Originally Posted by James Klaven

I call bullshit ! List the programs ! There is no HYIP that will pay you on $5000 investments for months....... No HYIP can sustain this - they feed off big investments to pay little ones. Whoever is telling you this is lying or shills .... Anybody who is STUPID enough to put 5k in ANY HYIP, when they will 100% lose their money and not get paid - ok maybe they get paid first few days/weeks, but they never will get their ROI. So don't lie !

List the programs in question that you know investors getting paid from their $5000 investments.....

Sorry but your argument is full of it - of course people will go on public forums and BRAG under anonymity that they earned from their 5k investments.

All I see lately are people bragging they got paid their bloody 0.60 !!!! that is pathetic !!! and people bragging on forums that they got paid their pocket change from HYIPs are usually monitor admins and shills who get paid to post.

Like I said, you can't mix ETHICS and HYIP in the same sentence. The whole principle behind HYIP is stealing, cheating, deceipt, scamming and feeding off large investors to feed the small ones (majority). If you are a member of ANY HYIP and making money - you might as well steal people's wallets - because that is what you are doing.

Being a member of an HYIP you are an accomplice to the scam, if you are into the program KNOWINGLY.

If you get paid from an HYIP and don't care where the money comes from, that's your problem. You better hope that when the major scam operation of an HYIP shuts down there is no ongoing investigations or clawbacks later on.

BTW a lot of the sites you are promoting on your blog (you are obviously a paid shill) have gone scam.

Also about flanita - you used the term "cashflow problem" bingo ! you've hit the ponzi on the button.

You are new around here and yet you come across as a know it all with a solution to everything. Did you get scammed? Perhaps a bit more reading and comprehension ahead of you shooting off your mouth might have kept a bit more of your cash in your pocket.

It's a learning curve and you seem to be at the foot of it right now.