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[Accontant]

I find it just alittle amusing that the sheep are demanding some kind of proof frrem me, but in general don't ask anywhere near as many questions of people they send large sums of money to. That has to be some kind of disorder.
As for my disertaion, yes, to get a doctorate you generally write a "book", mine was on variations in Binomial Option Pricing Models. What you don't realize is that though tens of thousands of people write dissertations every year, most of them do not make the NY Times bestseller lists and they are not "published" per se. If you are doing some scholarly research, you can find it, have at it. I don't like Paul Krugman, have only met him on a few occasions and don't for the most part agree with him, but I did once have somehting akin to ahomework assignment that eventually ended up as research in something he wrote. Obviously you've never been a grad student and don't realize that grad students are the salve labor of the academic world. The Professors of course get all the credit, the undergrads pay the bills, and the grad students do a good portion of the teaching and the research for the amount of pay normally associated with busboys...
There are more than a few people here who know my real name, my company etc... and if you're not one of them then you're not someone I care about. Acting like this is all about what I do and where I went to school has little to do with the problem you have, namely another admin has stolen a bunch of money and you have either lost your money or are sweating out what he's telling the government and if you are going to have to pay anything back.

The FACT remains that I have been right and will continue to be right, not just on CEP but on anything or program I've bothered to comment on. The FACT is that anyone who has listened to the naysayers has not lost a dime in these schemes.
I'm not asking anyone to send me money, so I don't think it prudent to start posting personal information on the internet, until I see your name address and social security number in a post I will continue to keep my own identity private. The law says that if you are soliciting monies for investment, you are not allowed to keep this kind of information private, so while it's not hyocritical of me to do this, it is illegal for Trevor and friends to not tell you a lot more than what they have about your so called "investment"

[Accontant]

Gee, all the cheerleaders busy co operating with the SEC and not have time to come pimp their ponzi scam?

Before y'all get your hopes up about how great you're gonna tell the SEC Trevor is, you ought to be a little concerned about what they're asking you. As soon as you tell them you sent him money, you've given them proof he committed a crime. And a little note about his crack legal team, his lawyers work from HIM, and will throw you under the bus at first oppertunity. Ask any lawyer, you may be needing one soon.

[DaBeachcomber]

Originally Posted by Accontant

The FACT remains that I have been right and will continue to be right, not just on CEP but on anything or program I've bothered to comment on. The FACT is that anyone who has listened to the naysayers has not lost a dime in these schemes.

So, as you "will continue to be right", what's the next "'thing or program you'll bother to comment on" ? (with just as much conviction)

I'll "listen" so as to "not lose a dime in these schemes".


Thank You Very Much For Sharing Your Wisdom & Wealth Of Knowledge. (as pertaining to this thread)


Priceless,



ps. I forgot to mention, that I've actually played a few of these Silly Schemes/Games and have lost quite a bit o' grams of e-gold. As a result, I am not involved with Any programs. I do like to frequent TG strictly for resource info. & entertainment.

[CBI]

Gee, all the cheerleaders busy co operating with the SEC and not have time to come pimp their ponzi scam?

You crack me up Accontant.. haha.. its good for relief of my busy day.

As soon as you tell them you sent him money, you've given them proof he committed a crime

Thats not quite true as you well know. Aside from full disclosure, the SEC will also be looking at how/if he swindled the members out of thier money, and of that thier will be no proof as not 1 memeber had not been paid till the big freeze.

Yes they probably have broken some SEC rules, but there also has to be the intent to commit fraud, and i doubt there will be proof of that. I could be wrong, but i'll go with my gut on this one.

his lawyers work from HIM, and will throw you under the bus at first oppertunity. Ask any lawyer, you may be needing one soon.

Lawyers area dime a dozen these days, and I would expect them to defend the CEP staff in anyway they could. After all if this is proven to be some sort of PONZI they have far more serious consequences than do the members. Paying back a bit of money would be hard on some, but its alot better than any sorta conviction / jail time.

So, as you "will continue to be right", what's the next "'thing or program you'll bother to comment on" ? (with just as much conviction)

I'll "listen" so as to "not lose a dime in these schemes".

I'd like to know that too.. I still have several thousand bucks in Egold to play with so any news would be appreciated

[Accontant]

Originally Posted by CBI

You crack me up Accontant.. haha.. its good for relief of my busy day.



Thats not quite true as you well know. Aside from full disclosure, the SEC will also be looking at how/if he swindled the members out of thier money, and of that thier will be no proof as not 1 memeber had not been paid till the big freeze.

That is not really true, the SEC won't care as much about fraud as they do registration, almost all of the SEC rules deal with disclosure. Fraud is a criminal offense and they don't even have the power to prosecute it, although they can use it as a basis to shut them down. Another thing I can never seem to get across to HYIPers is whether they have paid every dime they've owed is really not relevant to whether it's legitimate or not, you need to look at their balance sheet (which I doubt they even have, but I digress) the real problem is do they have enough assets to cover what they are committed to paying in the future or a legitimate means to make it and the answer is no. 12DP had somethin akin to $50 million in Stormpay and had never missed a payment, but, and this is a big one, they OWED over $648 million to pay out the ad packs they had already sold, so a bit more than a half a billion dollars was missing from the balance sheet, and though Charis may never has missed a payment, she was sure going to soon. I'm thinking Charis had enough money to go a another month maybe, and every dollar she took in (current cash) added $1.44 to what she owed, so the number was only getting bigger.

Yes they probably have broken some SEC rules, but there also has to be the intent to commit fraud, and i doubt there will be proof of that. I could be wrong, but i'll go with my gut on this one.

Intent is first not relevent, you are either registered with the SEC or you're in violation and I think all the posts that Trevor made about having the SEC covered not only shows intent, but as no competent professional would ever tell anyone they didn't need to bother with the SEC I think it also shows clear intent to defraud as well and avoid registration. Ain't no wiggle room on this one, the SEC is going to get a consent decree that ends up with a recieveor liquadating the company. Trevor lied to you, no one told him he didn't need to be registered with the SEC, it was just very inconvenient for him to admit he didn't bother doing it, and he couldn't have gotten registered with the SEC anyhow, as they do tend to frown on fraudulent investment ponzi schemes



Lawyers area dime a dozen these days, and I would expect them to defend the CEP staff in anyway they could. After all if this is proven to be some sort of PONZI they have far more serious consequences than do the members. Paying back a bit of money would be hard on some, but its alot better than any sorta conviction / jail time.

All true, but again, you're off the point. Trevor is going to have a consent decree in which he admits no wrongdoing, not exactly a get out of jail free card (he'll do 5 years, BTW) but at least something his lawyers can show as some mitigation when he's sentenced. The investors, on the other hand, have had all of the information about thier transactions already known to the various people in the government whose job it is to recover those funds, and if it had been kept from the SEC< they might have gone a bit harder on Trevor, but they wouldn't have anything on YOU, and when the nice little Christian scammer is halfway through his sentence, a lot of the people he stole the money for will still be paying it back, along withanything else a curious investigator might want to dig up on them. Do you even realize that the SEC office investigating this came across your little ponzi scheme whilst they were in the process of closing down Global Online Direct??? I can't help but find it hilarious that what finally brought down CEP was in fact GOD!!! Talk about irony. And the sheep think that Ferret did it, not! If you dig a little you can verify it, same SEC office (atalanta) same staff investigators, the feds found Trevor because another "honest admin" threw him under the bus and now he's doing the same to you.



I'd like to know that too.. I still have several thousand bucks in Egold to play with so any news would be appreciated

Save it, you'll be paying it back

[CBI]

Well i'm not going to pretend to be fluent with the SEC rules and regulations cause i'm not, and no I won't be paying 1 nickel back from what i recieved as i'm not subject to the US laws or any subsequent action the US gov may take against CEP & members. I'm not american nor live in the states

Another thing I can never seem to get across to HYIPers is whether they have paid every dime they've owed is really not relevant to whether it's legitimate or not, you need to look at their balance sheet (which I doubt they even have, but I digress) the real problem is do they have enough assets to cover what they are committed to paying in the future or a legitimate means to make it and the answer is no

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You make a valid point here, and one I clearly do realize. This is the crux of the issue. Do they have the assets for what owed, and not even you know that they don't for sure. Highly unlikely yes, but anything is possible.

Do you even realize that the SEC office investigating this came across your little ponzi scheme whilst they were in the process of closing down Global Online Direct??? I can't help but find it hilarious that what finally brought down CEP was in fact GOD!!! Talk about irony. And the sheep think that Ferret did it, not! If you dig a little you can verify it, same SEC office (atalanta) same staff investigators, the feds found Trevor because another "honest admin" threw him under the bus and now he's doing the same to you.

Hmm, i must have missed that when i read through the information on Global, perhaps you have a link handy to point me in the right direction, or is this your assumption? The fact that they may have invested in Global is could be pure coincidence and wouldn't that make them out as one of the possible "victims", now that is the real irony here..lol..

Isn't it true that you yourself notified the SEC about a possible Ponzi scheme operating on US soil (if i remember right)as well as others, i think if i go back enough pages I'll find where you posted it. Isn't it also true that if the SEC recieves complaints, they are bound to investigate the complaint by LAW?

The investors, on the other hand, have had all of the information about thier transactions already known to the various people in the government whose job it is to recover those funds, and if it had been kept from the SEC< they might have gone a bit harder on Trevor

So are you telling me that T and company should go down with the ship? take the fall and leave the "investors" protected?? Noble thought, but hardly practicle.. Members or investors if you will found this site by looking generally in one place.. forums like these, i would hardly say that they thought it was a "legal" investment opportunity. I would suspect that most figured to "time" the program and get out with as much as they could as in any other HYIP, the fact that it has continually produced is irrelevant. So as an adult depositing money into a program which could be against the law, you make a concious choice to do so and as such have to accept the consequences of those actions. Nobody forced them to do so.

Intent is first not relevent, you are either registered with the SEC or you're in violation and I think all the posts that Trevor made about having the SEC covered not only shows intent, but as no competent professional would ever tell anyone they didn't need to bother with the SEC

Yes, its pretty black an white, you either are registered or your not, but its my belief that CEP is or thought they were classified in such away that it does not need to register with the SEC as in the auto-surfs. I think they are sitting in the "gray" area of SEC regulations, not to say they won't be shut down anyway, and again that is my own opinion. As they themselves pointed out thier advice was wrong.

Now if the other members were smart as i am, they would not have spent those "earnings" and invested them in real investment vehicles, so even if i had to pay back my "earnings" plus interest.. i would still be laughing all the way to the bank..

[Reflexx]

Originally Posted by CBI

Well i'm not going to pretend to be fluent with the SEC rules and regulations cause i'm not, and no I won't be paying 1 nickel back from what i recieved as i'm not subject to the US laws or any subsequent action the US gov may take against CEP & members. I'm not american nor live in the states

I'm not trying to worry you but even if you are not a US resident, depending on how deep the investigation into CEP goes, there is a possibility that with cross border co-operation you could at least have to answer a few questions regardless. This could take months if not years so no need to panic just yet.

[okosh]

Originally Posted by Reflexx

I'm not trying to worry you but even if you are not a US resident, depending on how deep the investigation into CEP goes, there is a possibility that with cross border co-operation you could at least have to answer a few questions regardless. This could take months if not years so no need to panic just yet.

True...I was recently reading about an Asian Man who got the death penalty for running a similar scam to Cep.

Does the admin of CEP live in a "Death Penalty" state or not??

I have been subscribed to this thread for months and read every post as it came in by e-mail....

been a great read and a great ride....

What a pity I knew the ending so long ago.

[JREwing]

Hmmm....hard to admit, but I think it's over too....

But what the heck, from my viewpoint in Europe, I wouldn't care less if the whole of US of America, with Accountant, George "Dubyia", the overrated US dollar, their military and the fascist crusade in the Middle East, all would be flushed into the ocean, or better yet: A big Ponzi-toilet!!!

Accountant: If you're so d**ned wise in economics, you should be much more concerned about your own rotten country... Soon you will be owned by the chinese. They own 95% of your country already (not to mention the Saudi royal family and the Bin Ladens!), the bonds, the dollars etc.

And "Dubya" (the idiot...) has made the largest budget deficit in history.

YOU as a nation is highly overrated, Land of the brave, God's own country, utter BS. What the heck, you've even sold out on your famed constitutional freedomrights, you're nothing more than a fascist-state, checkout what FEMA is really about, and you would be fleeing the country ASAP!!!

Oh, I'm happy to be European!

PS: But I like JR Ewing!! The swindler, the conman....

[okosh]

Originally Posted by JREwing

Hmmm....hard to admit, but I think it's over too....

But what the heck, from my viewpoint in Europe, I wouldn't care less if the whole of US of America, with Accountant, George "Dubyia", the overrated US dollar, their military and the fascist crusade in the Middle East, all would be flushed into the ocean, or better yet: A big Ponzi-toilet!!!

Accountant: If you're so d**ned wise in economics, you should be much more concerned about your own rotten country... Soon you will be owned by the chinese. They own 95% of your country already (not to mention the Saudi royal family and the Bin Ladens!), the bonds, the dollars etc.

And "Dubya" (the idiot...) has made the largest budget deficit in history.

YOU as a nation is highly overrated, Land of the brave, God's own country, utter BS. What the heck, you've even sold out on your famed constitutional freedomrights, you're nothing more than a fascist-state, checkout what FEMA is really about, and you would be fleeing the country ASAP!!!

Oh, I'm happy to be European!

PS: But I like JR Ewing!! The swindler, the conman....

I think someone is a little p'd off they lost.