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[traderj]

Originally Posted by bullonwallst

I just can't believe people have time to sit around all day or night and write all this negative stuff about a program or anything for that matter. I just scan through some of the junk that people post and it's kinda funny actually. If you don't have money to loss don't get involved. Everyone should tell there people they are signing up that. For p2p....I am not sure if other people are getting paid, but I requested a payout 15 days ago and already paid. I'm not sure if I am special or something, but would like to see who else that is actually in this investment with some real money (over 10k) has been paid.

First of all I guess you must be the slowest typist in the world if you think it take so long to type out a few posts.. secondly this program is currently 72 calendars behind in payments so you are full of crap that you received a payment that was requested 15 days ago and if by some fluke you really are telling the truth that is even worse as it just proves again that Nick is engaging in selective payments... either way you slice it it's crap

[traderj]

Originally Posted by stnon26s

I don't know if you were reffering to me, in your remarks (I assume so, since you quoted my post), but all I did was ask a fair, level headed question, which by the way, was not directed to you in any way.

You can safely ignore that guy he's clearly a troll with his paid in 15 days nonsense.. and I do think the question you asked is a good one. I can tell you my answer, or the one I assumed after reading his post. I think once the issues arose with his account it prompted him to do a lot more DD once he did that he came to the same conclusion that most people do that are looking at the info with open minds...you are probably quite right if nothing happened with the second deposit he might have just let it ride and not really paid much more attention to it..but obviously that's for him to answer hahaha...

[stnon26s]

Originally Posted by traderj

You can safely ignore that guy he's clearly a troll with his paid in 15 days nonsense.. and I do think the question you asked is a good one. I can tell you my answer, or the one I assumed after reading his post. I think once the issues arose with his account it prompted him to do a lot more DD once he did that he came to the same conclusion that most people do that are looking at the info with open minds...you are probably quite right if nothing happened with the second deposit he might have just let it ride and not really paid much more attention to it..but obviously that's for him to answer hahaha...

Thanks TJ, I kinda thought the same thing really, but just wanted to see if that's what he'd say or not. I guess we'll see... :-)

[footballer]

Originally Posted by stnon26s

How did you deduce, or come to the conclusion that P2P was a Ponzi, due to your bad experience with the support staff? If your deposit had not been misplaced and everything was running smoothly (I mean in the since of you not missing your money and not having to deal with the support staff), would you still come to the ponzi conclusion?

That is a fantastic question, and I will be brutally honest. I was already suspect around the time I put in the second $200. Maybe it disappearing was my punishment for putting it in under doubt. For about a day there, I was guilty of the motivation, "Well, maybe it is a scam, and I'll just get out after this." That was wrong. I was already doing some research, including reading through this thread, between the deposits. The more I read here and researched other almost identical setups, coupled with how the staff has handled my missing deposit, the more resolute I became in my belief that I had gotten into something fake. Honestly, the missing deposit is only one piece in a large pile of things that have lead me to believe so. For instance, I have a bookmark folder full of sites almost identical to P2P. As it has been pointed out here, it only takes a $40 script and some email addresses to setup. Being privy and witness to things that are legit and do work, I know that these sites and "programs" hide so much because they are not what they say they are.

Reader's Digest: If my deposit had not been misplaced and everything was running smoothly, I STILL would have come to the same conclusion, but probably much slower. Traderj is right. The missing deposit prompted me to dive deeper into the DD that should have been done before and sped up the process.

Continuing: a LOT of what folks have shared here, along with what I've found other places, were like puzzle pieces I slowly put together over time to help me understand what I was really looking at. Like I said in my book (first post!), when what is happening with one program, that has been labeled by a group of people as a scam, is called almost play-by-play by those same poeple based on what they've seen happen over and over again before, I am led to agree, because I believe that past behavior predicts future behavior. Add on top of that the ridiculous issues of absolute privacy (you can advertise, now you can't), non-disclosure, non-compliance with the IRS, non-compliance with the securities commissions of several countries, the later and later payout dates, the "convenient" stories of major players moving away and on to other things, the constant system glitches and reasons for things being slow - it all just makes sense. Only someone in on it, or knowledgable of it as a fake and wanting to profit from it, or desperate enough to fool themsleves would think otherwise.

Quick questions for all: with ALL of the money Nick makes, with all of the fantastic investments we get to piggyback, how is it that he can't afford a better website with lockdown security, better script and programming, and more staff to catch things up as soon as stuff gets behind? Why is the administration operating on a shoe-string budget, and with such unprofessionalism in handling other people's money, if this is so lucrative for everyone?

And I don't care if someone has gotten paid, so posting that proves nothing. Drug dealers get paid. Prostitutes get paid. Shady salesmen get paid. Scammers get paid. A scam can actually work and people can benefit from it. It's still a scam. Anyone who wants to argue this need only read about Charles Ponzi on Wikipedia or Google his name. You'll find the stories of other major scams that have gone down. A lot of people profitted from them.

[traderj]

Originally Posted by footballer

Quick questions for all: with ALL of the money Nick makes, with all of the fantastic investments we get to piggyback, how is it that he can't afford a better website with lockdown security, better script and programming, and more staff to catch things up as soon as stuff gets behind? Why is the administration operating on a shoe-string budget, and with such unprofessionalism in handling other people's money, if this is so lucrative for everyone?

By far the above is the most asked and least answered question. It is really funny to listen to the nonsense that the cheerleaders trot out as the answer. I love the nonsense about how they got this script even though it was a HYIP script because it best suit their needs.. umm so their needs were a cheap script that is always broken and has no security? Or the on about how he wanted to keep overhead low so he could help as many people as possible.. well the problem with that drivel is that if he ran a properly run program with full support staff and proper back office and admin he could help millions more.. of course that would mean the program would have to be real and legal and sadly everyone with a functioning brain knows that is simply not the case...

[awty]

Footballer, if I may, thanks for sharing.
Jeff

[footballer]

Awty, if I may, you're welcome and it was my pleasure.

[awty]

Just a note: While you can't 'protect' people from this kind of things, at least not without some serious 'interference with freedom', my opinion is that people who are more informed and educated, tend to make better decisions. About all that can 'reasonably' be done is to lay things out, and if they make sense to people, great, but, as always, people will make their own choices.
That being said, I've spoken to quite a few that actually believe that a ponzi IS a legitimate business 'structure'. (You might notice quite a few mentioning things like 'reasonable' returns (as opposed to actual), and things like 'it's stable' (as opposed to real). That, (my opinion) is a part of the reason why some may find things posted by a 'program' as somewhat believable... Because, the 'admin' may actually believe that paying one person with funds from another is ACTUALLY a valid 'business model', and that does 'show through'... But, of course, that's just a small part of the 'psychological' angle, and what most people are most interested in, is - are people getting paid?
(...yes, the fraud operation is going 'as planned' - here's your cut...)
Just my opinion,
Jeff

[HarveyK]

Originally Posted by bullonwallst

Instead of going back and forth on weather P2P is a scam...why not just stick a 100 dollar bill into the program and wait a year? If you do the figures that you guys mention of 2.67% you would have 25k after a year and making the 40k every 2 months. If you don't have $100 dollars to just burn you probably shouldn't even have the internet or a computer for that matter.

Just my thoughts...

If the only issue was risking your own money, for a possibly great return, then I'd agree.

However, believe it or not, there are people who don't want the money made by scamming others. I don't want my $25k if it came from people who naively believed it was real, like the website says, and lost. This is different than gambling, as discussed before, if you go back in this thread.

I "lost" a lot of money trying to get legitimate businesses off the ground, before I finally succeeded. So I was never the one to back away from risk, but it has to be spent on something legitimate.

Peopel need to see P2P for what it really is, a ponzi scheme, and then it's up to every individual to decide if they want to participate (not just based on the risk of loosing, but willingness to "accept" the potential return, knowing how it was made). Some people are ok with it, some not, but everyone deserves to know that the program is not what it says it is on the website.

[stnon26s]

Originally Posted by footballer

That is a fantastic question, and I will be brutally honest. I was already suspect around the time I put in the second $200. Maybe it disappearing was my punishment for putting it in under doubt. For about a day there, I was guilty of the motivation, "Well, maybe it is a scam, and I'll just get out after this." That was wrong. I was already doing some research, including reading through this thread, between the deposits. The more I read here and researched other almost identical setups, coupled with how the staff has handled my missing deposit, the more resolute I became in my belief that I had gotten into something fake. Honestly, the missing deposit is only one piece in a large pile of things that have lead me to believe so. For instance, I have a bookmark folder full of sites almost identical to P2P. As it has been pointed out here, it only takes a $40 script and some email addresses to setup. Being privy and witness to things that are legit and do work, I know that these sites and "programs" hide so much because they are not what they say they are.


Reader's Digest: If my deposit had not been misplaced and everything was running smoothly, I STILL would have come to the same conclusion, but probably much slower. Traderj is right. The missing deposit prompted me to dive deeper into the DD that should have been done before and sped up the process.

Continuing: a LOT of what folks have shared here, along with what I've found other places, were like puzzle pieces I slowly put together over time to help me understand what I was really looking at. Like I said in my book (first post!), when what is happening with one program, that has been labeled by a group of people as a scam, is called almost play-by-play by those same poeple based on what they've seen happen over and over again before, I am led to agree, because I believe that past behavior predicts future behavior. Add on top of that the ridiculous issues of absolute privacy (you can advertise, now you can't), non-disclosure, non-compliance with the IRS, non-compliance with the securities commissions of several countries, the later and later payout dates, the "convenient" stories of major players moving away and on to other things, the constant system glitches and reasons for things being slow - it all just makes sense. Only someone in on it, or knowledgable of it as a fake and wanting to profit from it, or desperate enough to fool themsleves would think otherwise.

Quick questions for all: with ALL of the money Nick makes, with all of the fantastic investments we get to piggyback, how is it that he can't afford a better website with lockdown security, better script and programming, and more staff to catch things up as soon as stuff gets behind? Why is the administration operating on a shoe-string budget, and with such unprofessionalism in handling other people's money, if this is so lucrative for everyone?

And I don't care if someone has gotten paid, so posting that proves nothing. Drug dealers get paid. Prostitutes get paid. Shady salesmen get paid. Scammers get paid. A scam can actually work and people can benefit from it. It's still a scam. Anyone who wants to argue this need only read about Charles Ponzi on Wikipedia or Google his name. You'll find the stories of other major scams that have gone down. A lot of people profitted from them.

Thanks for your feedback footballer.