Honestly, what is the difference between Taiwan (Republic of China), TRNC (Northern Cyprus) and HRP? None of them are recognised by any countries of the world.
You do actually bring up a good point, I never thought of it like that.
Although, and correct me if I am wrong, there is a considerable size difference!
It is interesting I thought, that apparently you need a visa to enter the HRP and apparently they have their own postage which is actually honored by Australia. Although, they don't have a recognised international depot and thus post is routed via Australia.
However, if you are interested in that route then you can always look a bit closer to home at the Principality of Sealand
Im sure they run all sorts of dodgy programs like that to help pay for the repairs after the fire
Sorry Mish, sliding off topic here...
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Bondy I chose not to comment on our friend's intervention as it is off the topic of this thread. He makes a comment about a whole larger topic which should have a thread all its own.
However I would comment that those of us who travel the world and encounter experiences that few others come up against, realise that there are a lot of loopholes out there and they are allowable by many other nation states. The WSP passport being a good example, I have met people who use them to travel.
As for countries not being 'real' countries, your comment on the tacit recognition of HRP by the Australian govt is a good example (funny to see a scam being scammed itself though). But I wish them all well and will use any service provided by any of them if I can legitimately get away with it. I am all for HRH Len in HRP, a good man.
Incidentally, as for North Cyprus not being 'real' country. I agree that it is only recognised by Turkey and it is made legitimate by it being in effect a province of Turkey ' Mersin 10' is its address for post. But also the UN more or less acknowledged its existence in the Annan plan on 2003 when the south agreed to support this plan of reunification. If it had not been for the then GC president papadop welshing on it in search of re-election then it would have succeeded. I regularly travel to North Cyprus, first in my intnl consultancy work and also privately working on behalf of a UK property investment fund. (Off there agin in November too).
Licence content ;o) - they have almost identical plates to those of the old system in the south. But worst of all they make all hire cars display a plate with a red background, which advertises the fact it is driven by a visitor, to potential villains. Thankfully it is a lovely peaceful and relatively crime free country - a land that time forgot almost. It was about 5 years ago that USA finally gave in to pleas from tour firms to stop identifying hire cars due to the high rate of car crime and robbery in Florida. Lets hope N Cyprus soon hear comments from the indutry in the same vein. Re-unification is on the horizon but I hope that lovely part of the island is not spoilt. end of rant !
Back to plates etc - Cveks ????
i'm just dropping in, having stumbled upon this discussion yesterday night.
I read through the 12 pages, but i'm not sure if i got it right: that so far there seemes to be no general solution to the main thread?
Thing is, i'm just in the beginning of research on a similar but maybe in the end completely different problem:
We got a customer who wants to buy (probably in Germany) and drive a car in the EU (on a regular basis, like 3+ months every year) but is resident of the Netherlands Antilles (which actually don't belong to the EU).
He would register it in the NLA, but as this would require him to actually ship it there and back it doesn't seem to make any sense and i'm just wondering if there's any offical, legal way to manage this.
Do you think this whole thread could cover my problem (as i'm speaking about a non-EU-resident?)
Mish, were you successful with these guys http://www.italsure.eu/
? (sorry if i possibly missed an already given answer)
Firstly no, Vanuatu is not just for the EU (why would it be, they are next to Australia). Secondly, as far as I can tell, its not for anyone anymore. If someone tries to sell you it, im sorry to say you are being ripped off for a service that is no longer available.
Mish, came across this completely by accident and thought I was pass it on for you to look at. Probably a load of rubbish, but the website says:
" If you live or travel abroad it can be virtually impossible to arrange international car insurance. Nearly all the UK’s companies provide limited cover for people who wish to drive abroad with their car but insurance cover is limited to 30 days. In addition, if they do provide cover they will assume you are using the car for personal use, such as a holiday.
If you live, or have been placed in a foreign country for an indefinite period, it is important to protect your vehicle. International car insurance is specially designed to meet the needs of people driving abroad "
Mablung, welcome to our group. We almost seem to be running a separate vehicle registration group on this site !
No, you have got it wrong. The initial posting on the thread was answered at least by me. Yes you could register in VU and use the vehicle anywhere in the world - insurance pending. I have had a VU registered car for several years and arranged for others too as part of my work. You will have read the current situation of my VU plated Land Cruiser.
As Bondy rightly says, you cannot register in VU any more, so that weblink you posted is out of date. If you send them your money, when do you think they will refund it?
I came onto the thread when I had problems with my regular insurer - ARIS in Austria - who had insured a lot of VU plates. EU laws are closing down a lot of similar insurance policies unfortunately. There is an agency in Holland writing the AXA policy as do Italsure in UK who are reputable, and whom I eventually re-insured with. But the AXA policy appears to be the only one freely available. There may be others, e.g. Generali of Italy used to issue a policy, plus other companies.
If you want an alternative registration, then the only other source appears to be Cooke Islands and our friend Cveks has applied for a plate and - WE STILL AWAIT YOUR REPORT CVEKS ;o)
Bondy, thanks for the link but I have been there. Although I have not gone through the info in detail it looks very much the same as that which I have seen before. UK originating policies cannot be written with third party liability for foreign licensed vehicles. But some companies advertise insurance for travellers which covers accident and theft only, not thrid party. They tell you that you must have local or at least frontier third party insurance in addition for the country in which you are travelling.
Finally Mablung, don't think that insuring on the VIN number is the answer with UK companies. Yes some companies will do this but usually only for 14 days. This is for those that buy a Jap import say at Liverpol dock auction and then need insurance to get it to a testing station for the SVA cert prior to licensing.
Anyway, if you learn more then please post it here, you can see we have a small community of enthusiasts ! HTH
Bondy, thanks for the link but I have been there. Although I have not gone through the info in detail it looks very much the same as that which I have seen before.
Yes I thought as much, just worth posting in case it had any additional value for you
Mablung, the site looks an interesting read... well the bits I can get in English anyway. Im far to lazy to sit and put each page through the Google translator! lol.
Im sorry I may have missed you answering this, but the important questions are a) what are you looking for exactly from an 'offshore' registration b) what are you / how are using the vehicle? c) what nationality are you? (either spanish or french would help you no end).
If you are looking to avoid tax, then read no further, its not for you.
Off the top of my head (and this may have changed by now for all I know), the following applies:
The vehicle must be under a certain age (something like 3 years)
It must meet EU emissions regulations (so no importing US cars etc)
You have to pay import tax on the vehicle (so you are not avoiding tax)
You must be in Andorra with the vehicle to register
Unless you are a resident, it is registered on tourist plates and not local ones
Insurance *should* be easier to obtain if you are only/mainly driving within the EU. Andorra is usually counted as either an EU or EEC member. Im not convinced it is that easy, at least anymore. A couple of years back I was trying to contact local french insurance companies, as I began to realise they would sometimes insure Andorra vehicles. Since my french is practically non-existent, I didnt get very far lol.
Dont get the wrong impression, im no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I just know what I know and know what I dont
Hope the info helps
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Just went back and read your initial post mablung, so I do apologise. However, something just doesn't 'click' right with what you are saying.
Anyway, I do have a question. How can you have a customer for a service that you know nothing about? you dont even know where he is buying the vehicle from!
All in all I would say Andorra is not your option here im affraid
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What nobody is telling you guys is that you are risking confiscation of the vehicle for playing games with the import taxes, registration fees, and possible smog & safety requirements. Talk to a local lawyer and find this out for sure. You will not have the paper papers and receipts for the car. You do not have a matching passport and visa. You do not have a matching driver license. And the guy who set you up cannot represent you when the trouble starts.
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there is no problem driving foreign registered car if you have something like residenepermit outside the countrym some kind of visa stamp in passport, etc. It all depend on the laws of the various countries. Another thing yo ened to know that car must cross the border after a few months.
Hello Slogold, another contribution from you - and you are quite right.
I think our friend is coming from a panamanian perspective and is a little blinkered, he has also not read all of the 13 pages of this thread. If he had done then he would realise that some of us are quite experienced at handling vehicle logistics.
Most of this thread is about licensing vehicles with some miles on the clock and most EU legislation about emissions etc refers to new vehicles, ot imports over a certain age.
A lot my my professional time has been involved with logistics of aid agency vehicles in some strange countries, so I do have something of an idea of how various systems and governments work. As Slogold writes - you do have to cross borders at regular intervals, and in so doing its best to have some kind of proof of one's movements - even an automatic bank teller receipt from a border area is sufficient. (An old 'PT' trick).
But again, if our new friend had taken the trouble to read the thread he would see that border crossing is also covered too.
Some talk about it, but some of us actually do it - soon to be joined by CVEKS !!
Re: Vanuatu car registration?
then you can always look a bit closer to home at the Principality of Sealand 
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