Why has talkgold allowed trollers to run free? - Page 6

JessChekkin · #51 03-23-2007, 03:37 AM

It would have been nice to see this same level of "concern" shown by a mod right after either this thread or the one called Litter Box was started.

me222 · #52 03-23-2007, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lita

I have seen where some have gotten out of hand. I see where you are coming from there. Other than the war zone, I try to mind my P's and Q's. So just in order to get this straight. How would you suggest the best way to educate newbies? (not always newbies but others whom wish to know how a program is going).

Perhaps we need a seperate "Newbies" folder but then we have a War Zone already.

We have 2 options:

1) A place where HYIP players discuss HYIP's and related programs, solve problems, inform each other, etc... IN PEACE!

2) A community where every HYIP player, cheerleader, cardseller, admin slams every puritan, hater, frustated, bored and troll.

Talkgold wasn't created to let 2) happen. This is a discussion board, not a battlefield.

The situation today is a never-working, non-existing middle way with freedom of speech and consequently too much trouble and getting worse. If only everyone could get along, but that I'm afraid will never work.

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For the most part, I have pointed out mis-thruths told by the Admin's, by bringing up their very own posts. Telling members things that are not true. Putting up stat differences from one round to the next. Are these acceptable posts?

Yes, absolutely. You are informing and helping the membership.
It becomes a different situation when you think you are "informing" by posting 'scam' or 'liar' everywhere while the program is still paying.

Do you see the difference between:

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Same IP as Xmodelsurf 66.232.103.2

Xmodelsurf paid me 4 times then deleted my account along with many others.

CMO here.

and

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Are you happy to be "investing" in a company guilty of the following...

"They are soliciting funds for investment without registering them as securities, a federal offense, and a state offense in kentucky, they are using new investors funds to pay off prior investors, a felony, they are using various forms of telecommunications to facilitate these so called investments, that's wire fraud, another felony. Actually, from what very little I've seen it would take a while to list all the criminal activity of this [...] company."

...? If you believed this to be true, would you not try to do the right thing, and draw attention to the authorities?

Which of the 2 is the most useful? I mean, in an HYIP forum in a specific program thread? The latter is useful in an anti-hyip forum.

or how about this:

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Oh sure! Blame the cat when she points out that the dog **** on the carpet!

If I weren't 'interested', I wouldn't be here. I find internet scams VERY interesting.

This one is interesting. It not only shows the beginning of her game, it also shows what's it's all about. It cannot be done on her forum, so the battle must take place here. Scams must die, HYIP's must be history, you are not allowed to gamble, I like to impose The Law on others. Well, I'm fed up with that kind of altitude. There are specific forums for that purpose.

Cattysha · #53 03-23-2007, 04:17 AM

Ok, Me222, which of these words is the true description of a person who runs a ponzi? Honest...or ...conman?

If we aren't allowed to call them liars and conmen, then the cheerleaders damn sure shouldn't be able to call them honest.

me222 · #54 03-23-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cattysha

Ok, Me222, which of these words is the true description of a person who runs a ponzi? Honest...or ...conman?

If we aren't allowed to call them liars and conmen, then the cheerleaders damn sure shouldn't be able to call them honest.

It's useless, we all know how a ponzi works just like we know how the lottery works and it only leads to a fight!
There is no need to discuss the ethical side in the Lighthalzen thread. That is a personal choice. It can however take place elsewhere if you feel like talking about 'ethics'.
You cannot decide for others what is wrong and what isn't. Shame on you!

Cattysha · #55 03-23-2007, 04:44 AM

Maybe I don't get out enough. I thought TG was happy to just profit from scams and didn't feel a need to involve themselves in the discussions. I thought that was how y'all managed to keep from getting sued by the people who get drug into these scams from this forum? Has something changed? Or did I misunderstand from the beginning?

me222 · #56 03-23-2007, 05:46 AM

The truth is that you are not here to help or 'educate' the newbies. You are here because you hate HYIP's, you hate Talkgold and you want to bring it down at every price. 'Trolling' is the process used to archieve your goal.
I will stop you and your gang if I have to.
There has got to be a way to spend your time online other than with hate?

I think I made myself clear enough about the subject and would like to close the discussion.
Like it or not, if you or anyone else is trolling any of the hyip or autosurf threads, you're out.

JessChekkin · #57 03-23-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by me222

I think I made myself clear enough about the subject and would like to close the discussion.
Like it or not, if you or anyone else is trolling any of the hyip or autosurf threads, you're out.

Wow....when I went to bed last night, this was Talkgold where freedom of expression was welcome and me222 was just a moderator.

But now I see that overnight it's become MMG, part 2 where freedom of expression is only welcome as long as you have me222's personal seal of approval and think the way he wants you to think.

Even though he's still shown to be just a moderator, obviously me222 is now the supreme dictator here with sole control over members' thoughts and words!

That must have been a really fast coup that allowed him to totally take over here and turn this place into just another cheerleader forum in literally only a few hours.

Cattysha · #58 03-23-2007, 03:49 PM

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The truth is that you are not here to help or 'educate' the newbies.

Yes I am.

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You are here because you hate HYIP's,

Very true. Which is the reason I try to warn newbies from them.

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you hate Talkgold and you want to bring it down at every price.

No I don't! Up until yesterday when you ran amok on several "anti-scam" posters here at TG, I was of the opinion that TG was the most decent of all the scam promotion forums, because they allowed a decenting voice and therefore gave newbies a CHOICE.

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'Trolling' is the process used to archieve your goal.

I don't troll. I participate in scam discussions.

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I think I made myself clear enough about the subject and would like to close the discussion.

But I would like to know if this new stance is the new stance taken by TG, or if it's just you personally who want to kick out the anti-scam messegengers from TG?

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Like it or not, if you or anyone else is trolling any of the hyip or autosurf threads, you're out.

Well, I don't come here to play money game scams, so I will continue doing what I do and hopefully I won't cross the line and get banned.

I'm banned from MMG, but believe me my anti-scam voice in that forum is 10 times louder than before I was banned.

No input from the other mods? Mr G? Pluggy? Brian? Geoffe? Is this a new day for TG?

Spitfire · #59 03-23-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by me222

There were slightly more reports lately about trolling in general.
We have allowed too much for too long and if we don't take measures, this place will look like the Wild West in no time.
It's not that this forum has to become a cheerleader's paradise, I'm not on their side but when 'naysayers' aren't here to 'educate' newbies, they aren't naysayers but troublemakers/trolls and they aren't welcome.

Not all naysayers are like that. I post things about SwissCash which was things of help, but I do not see why me and other naysayers have to repeat those things over and over again like a broken record. But, with the Catty crowd? They have disrupted so many forums with what they are doing that leads to fighting.

Spitfire · #60 03-23-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by me222

Perhaps we need a seperate "Newbies" folder but then we have a War Zone already.

We have 2 options:

1) A place where HYIP players discuss HYIP's and related programs, solve problems, inform each other, etc... IN PEACE!

2) A community where every HYIP player, cheerleader, cardseller, admin slams every puritan, hater, frustated, bored and troll.

Talkgold wasn't created to let 2) happen. This is a discussion board, not a battlefield.

The situation today is a never-working, non-existing middle way with freedom of speech and consequently too much trouble and getting worse. If only everyone could get along, but that I'm afraid will never work.

Yes, absolutely. You are informing and helping the membership.
It becomes a different situation when you think you are "informing" by posting 'scam' or 'liar' everywhere while the program is still paying.

Do you see the difference between:

and

Which of the 2 is the most useful? I mean, in an HYIP forum in a specific program thread? The latter is useful in an anti-hyip forum.

or how about this:

This one is interesting. It not only shows the beginning of her game, it also shows what's it's all about. It cannot be done on her forum, so the battle must take place here. Scams must die, HYIP's must be history, you are not allowed to gamble, I like to impose The Law on others. Well, I'm fed up with that kind of altitude. There are specific forums for that purpose.

The problem with TalkGold is that there is no section for everybody to talk about legal issues, and that the members could link threads to the threads about the programs to even help newbies and all alike. That is how we are doing it at Code4Gold as is since it talks about all aspects of the issues of programs and the legal issues surround them. And you know what? We do not have arguements like there is here.