Why has talkgold allowed trollers to run free?

[me222]

Originally Posted by JessChekkin

Ummm...sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. I may have just formally signed up here a few months ago, but I'm anything but a newbie. I've been a member of Catty's forum for over a year and I'd be willing to bet that I've known some people in here a whole lot longer than you have.


I also know what it takes to be a good mod or admin - because I'm both - and yes, I DO consider myself a good admin and a good mod because I don't think I'm better than anybody else just because I happen to have a title under my ID, nor do I believe it's necessary to keep a forum going through the use of threats - something that seems to have become the weapon of choice here.

And sometimes it is the only option. So far I have not used any "weapon" other than words, apart from one hero.
You will notice my repetitive (I'm beginning to sound like them) request to give up.
I don't think that "Catty, will you please not repeat yourself?", will do the trick. She's the stubborn, determined type, but so am I.

I didn't say me222 became a "super mod" overnite....I said he became supreme dictator overnite, because that's exactly how it looks. And I only started to report mods' posts when those mods started breaking the very rules they expect everybody else to follow. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the idea that mods/admins are above the rules. If anything, they should set an example by following them strictly and making sure their behavior is beyond reproach at all times.

All I want is a good forum, where adults TALK and not fight, insult, threaten, repeat, annoy. I've been here since the very beginning, I like this place, I like a small bet, I made buddies here, we have the right to have our own community without being disturbed.

[JessChekkin]

Originally Posted by me222

All I want is a good forum, where adults TALK and not fight, insult, threaten, repeat, annoy. I've been here since the very beginning, I like this place, I like a small bet, I made buddies here, we have the right to have our own community without being disturbed.

Fair enough, but therein lies the problem -- there is still insulting going on; there are still threats being made; there is still all those other things you say you don't want.......and that's because you and your threats keep being directed to the wrong people.

You're stirring the pot and making the crowd go wild with anti-cattymania here everytime you imply that one specific group of people is responsible for literally everything.

The cheerleaders go nuts when they see your threats to others to shut up or get banned....you're their hero!

And their position here gets further solidified every single time they tear into somebody and the mods look the other way because the "right" person or group is being attacked and that makes it all okay.

Yet Catty or anybody else who has the guts to speak out against scams and the people who profit from them are the ones called the trolls.

There is something majorly wrong with this picture and it's so weird that it just started happening.

Serious question: What is going on here? Why did this suddenly become all about what me222 wants?

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Lita

Me222,
Thanks for the reply to my post. After I posted yesterday, I seen that you became busy in another thread, which is understandable.
I am seeing both sides of the fence here or trying to. It is kinda tearing me in different directions.
I did not want to quote your long post back to me so I am trying to post from memory.
As far as having a newbie thread, don't see where that would work. Alot of newbies that have been around for a little while don't see theirselves as newbies and would not go to that thread. Alot of them think they have it figured out because some oldie has told them how to think and how to do it. Just sign up under them and they will show you the ropes....and they believe it.
I don't see where a program has to get big in order for it to be misleading or turn scam. As Spit mentioned about the Swiss folder Which I know nothing about, so I won't go there. Just because it is small, don't mean it is not out to scam or has not turned scam just because it is small. Should we set back and wait for it to become bigger and involve more victums?
Infinitemultiplicity is what I have been following and have an understanding of. The players all complain about HARS killing a program. The HARS have already hit and run in IM's first round. There are very few of the original members there.
IM started the 2nd round with around $20k in debt. Even since moving to Romania and getting their very own server, they have been up and down which had nothing to do with us.
Everytime they get to the end of their 20 day cycle, which is their biggest payout day, something goes wrong and they go off line. Now they are hiding their stats as well. This time, they recruited Lighthalzen to join them on their server. More server problems now for both of them. 2 or 3 times in the last week. The Tech don't work weekends. Then it happens on the weekdays, can't find the Tech. Found the TECH, but now HE has screwed everything up. It is no longer Catty's fault so now it has to be someone elses.
Some people have different ways of expressing themselves. Some more cinical, aggressive. It has gone both ways. The thing is that we, or perhaps I, don't hit the report button when the other sides goes off topic to make attacks at us, call us names, and pull it off topic. Believe me, I have had to bite hard on my tongue a few times not to give it back. Others don't bite their tongue, give it back, which opens the opportunity for the IM members to do just as they were instructed to do , hit the report button. I am more of a warzone vet than a normal thread user.
It has gotten to the point, that ANYONE that post something that is negitive towards IM is called a cattycrew. I have seen many IM members who have been accused of being a catty crew, just because they disagree with the program. Or someone whom agrees with our point of view, they are not a catty member, but get accused of being a catty member. Alot of members are becoming disgruntaled because of the new rules impossed by IM. When they first put their money into IM, it was to earn interest each. Increaseing each day. Since the beginning, no one has earned the promised money from day to day. Then IM imposed a 50/50 rule as the funds were depleteing. In order for a member to get any of their own money out, they are forced to put 50% back in whether they like it or not. This has cause alot of members to become disgruntaled, therefore they complain. Then they are called trolls or Catty people. There are about 5 of us Catty crew here, give or take 2, as I am not sure.
IM has instructed their members to hit the report button when people with apposseing views post.
Oh dear, looks like I am writing a book, sorry.

I am not a part of the CattyCrew and I still say negative things about IM about some of the questions and all that, but I do not go into that thread day in and day out sounding like a record like you, Catty and Pam have. You should at least take a break from that thread until something new comes up, and questioned that.

I have not seen anybody posted or made a comment on why IM deleted fsloan from the program.

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this one time at band camp...

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by JessChekkin

Ummm...sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. I may have just formally signed up here a few months ago, but I'm anything but a newbie. I've been a member of Catty's forum for over a year and I'd be willing to bet that I've known some people in here a whole lot longer than you have.

I also know what it takes to be a good mod or admin - because I'm both - and yes, I DO consider myself a good admin and a good mod because I don't think I'm better than anybody else just because I happen to have a title under my ID, nor do I believe it's necessary to keep a forum going through the use of threats - something that seems to have become the weapon of choice here.

I didn't say me222 became a "super mod" overnite....I said he became supreme dictator overnite, because that's exactly how it looks. And I only started to report mods' posts when those mods started breaking the very rules they expect everybody else to follow. Sorry, but I don't subscribe to the idea that mods/admins are above the rules. If anything, they should set an example by following them strictly and making sure their behavior is beyond reproach at all times.

Two days ago I thought this was a great forum because it allowed people to really TALK.

Today I see it's become just another pro-scam cheerleader site where you're still allowed to talk as long as the things you say start with something inane like "GO GO GO" and end with a row of cheerleader smilies, and where PAs are welcome anywhere as long as they're directed towards somebody who is openly anti-scam.

When did becoming a clone of MMG become this forum's #1 priority?

Pam, you are really putting Brian in a tight spot, I hope you know that? Why am I saying that? Since you are admin at GPTForum which is hosted on Brian's server, but you are helping Brian's friend Bill out on that forum. Tell me this? Are you trying to cause a war between TalkGold and GPTForum?

[meldj]

Originally Posted by Lita

Me222,
Alot of members are becoming disgruntaled because of the new rules impossed by IM. When they first put their money into IM, it was to earn interest each. Increaseing each day. Since the beginning, no one has earned the promised money from day to day. Then IM imposed a 50/50 rule as the funds were depleteing. In order for a member to get any of their own money out, they are forced to put 50% back in whether they like it or not. This has cause alot of members to become disgruntaled, therefore they complain. Then they are called trolls or Catty people. There are about 5 of us Catty crew here, give or take 2, as I am not sure.
IM has instructed their members to hit the report button when people with apposseing views post.
Oh dear, looks like I am writing a book, sorry.

Hi Lita. I have been reading your posts and you seem to try to stick to the truth, even if you don't particularly like something. So, just to be fair, I would like to point out two things: 1) you say no one has earned the promised money. I don't know about everyone else, but I have actually earned all my own money back and am in profit with IM. 2) I have never been instructed to report postings with opposing views. Just wanted to make you aware of my experience.

[me222]

Originally Posted by JessChekkin

You're stirring the pot and making the crowd go wild with anti-cattymania here everytime you imply that one specific group of people is responsible for literally everything.

The cheerleaders go nuts when they see your threats to others to shut up or get banned....you're their hero!

Minutes ago, I removed a post from a cheerleader. It had nothing to do with the Lighthalzen discussion, only more insults. Both sides need to behave in a normal way and discuss what this forum is all about.

Serious question: What is going on here? Why did this suddenly become all about what me222 wants?

Do you seriously think this has not been discussed?

[Lita]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I am not a part of the CattyCrew and I still say negative things about IM about some of the questions and all that, but I do not go into that thread day in and day out sounding like a record like you, Catty and Pam have. You should at least take a break from that thread until something new comes up, and questioned that.

I have not seen anybody posted or made a comment on why IM deleted fsloan from the program.

There has been plenty of comment on fsloans problem with IM. Mostly here, because they would not let her talk about it at MMG. She was bashed, put down, called names and accused of being a Catty member. That is why she came to the IM thread here. She could state her concerns without all the bashing.

fsloan was asked to leave the Infinitemultiplicity because she had hard questions for them about the program. Then she was accused (at MMG) of being a Cattyshaq member, just like half the other naysayers have been. The questions were never answered. So when the Admin or members of IM came here, we did repeat ourself's. We repeated the questions that were not answered. Questions that any honest program should have answered.

Ask fsloan. Now fsloans program got DOSed and who do you think the finger is being pointed at again? Is that honest?
Try to think about it Spit. I would like one straight answer from you. Just one. Have you ever known, not what you have heard, have you EVER known Catty to ever DOS any site ever?

[JessChekkin]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Pam, you are really putting Brian in a tight spot, I hope you know that? Why am I saying that? Since you are admin at GPTForum which is hosted on Brian's server, but you are helping Brian's friend Bill out on that forum. Tell me this? Are you trying to cause a war between TalkGold and GPTForum?

Where did I mention which forum I was an admin at or who hosted it?

Do I use the same ID here as I do there? Do I use the same avatar? Does anybody call me by the same nickname here as they do on that forum?

And why on earth would there ever be one of your beloved "forum wars" between this forum and the one I never mentioned -- but YOU did. They aren't even remotely similar!

[Lita]

Originally Posted by meldj

Hi Lita. I have been reading your posts and you seem to try to stick to the truth, even if you don't particularly like something. So, just to be fair, I would like to point out two things: 1) you say no one has earned the promised money. I don't know about everyone else, but I have actually earned all my own money back and am in profit with IM. 2) I have never been instructed to report postings with opposing views. Just wanted to make you aware of my experience.

I'm sorry, I missed this post earlier.
1)What I meant by earning what they were promised is not getting their money back. I meant the 1% the first day 2% 2nd day........till it is 20% on the 20th day. I don't know on what day you joined or which round, so I don't know your particulars. But did you join so you could get your money back?
True they have had their ups and downs.
2)Do you visit the thread at MMG. I don't think anyone wants me to post it all here. I say that as at times others have told me to post proof. I say, to those, they need to go read it. It is instructed in open thread many time in the MMG Im thread. When they did not like what some were saying, they said hit the report button. They called them catty people, they even accused several people of being me (Lita).
Have you read MMG? I made 3 posts in that 800ish paged thread. My very first post was visited by a MOD within seconds. Blotted out because of speculation. I posted what Altemlosx had posted a few pages before that. He got no blotched out post. Several people, including Altemlox and Alaska had called other people in that thread Lita. They never got blotted out for their speculating those people were me. One of my 3 posts there stated for the Mods to check my IP to see if it matched. That is why I went there in the first place. Them calling others me. That way they could check the IP's. Even after my visit. People still continued to insist others were me. Still no blotches in those posts.
I even PMed a Mod there to ask if I posted something (told them what I wanted to post) if it was out of line and/or within the rules. I got no response. That really surprised me, as I have always gotten a response from the Mods at TALKGOLD when ever I have Pmed them. ALWAYS at TALKGOLD.
Oh Oh, I think I am writing another book...LOL...sorry.