Debra - how dare you come here with your dirty laundry!!

[Spring_FLO_2]

Dearest Debra,

You quit your job as Assistant Admin and then posted publicly, private communication between you and Xavier on the update page last November and talked of scam then. So why would you expect Xavier to contact you after that? You clearly showed then you don't understand privacy and anonymity.

Now you have forsaken all of those that stood behind you and belive (rightly or wrongly) that things will work out fine.

Now you bring your problems over here and expect all that believe to come here and support you in public when you've turned your back on the 1000 or so that were allowed to gather in the private forum in peace because of one person who was angry at Xavier for not surfacing. I was one in the private forum and can attest to what others have said - it was nothing more than 1000 or so that were allowed in there as trusted people by invitation only just so they could be out of the public eye because the free forum was open to anyone. There was nothing shared there that isn't public in other places and no special insight was offered.

In support of you, I do belive that you probably have no information to share. But on the other hand, if Xavier WERE to communicate with you and told you NOT to reveal it, you would keep the secret most likely. So the fact that you haven't heard from doesn't really wash very well. You could be in contact and as you stated before, you might be waiting for claification or more answers before you post.

Now you've asked the membership to come here and support you with facts. You expect a member of FVG or Xavier to come forward in a public place such as this full of naysayers and be on your side when you disowned all that support you and belive in you. Have you had too much to drink or too much to smoke? What clouds your thinking for being logical.?

You don't handle things too well. If I were Xavier you would never be contacted by me and would never receive an invitation to the private program. You set up forums he did not want nor approve of. It was good for the membership and there was lots of education provided that was good for everyone. But still, they were never santioned by Xavier or FVG.

But you did not have the courage of your convictions and instead of withdrawing from public and staying with those who belive and support you you did the opposite.

You are asking people to come forward about proving FVG. Do you recall one Saturday night in the Chat Room when you made this statement "FVG has plenty of money , trust me, they don't need money".

Don't recall it? Would you like a copy? Why did you say that then and now want others to come forward in a public place. What did you know then to cause you to make that statement?

In short you've betrayed everyone. Xavier, FVG and the membership and now expect support?

I am a very firm beliver in Xavier, FVG and the private program. Why, because very simply if one looks at all of the FACTS and then applies common sense, logic, knowledge of off shore matters along with facts reported by reliable sources the positive things far outweigh the negative ones and it all makes perfect sense.

For the naysayers reading this, do not expect anyone to come forward in this forum to make anyone's opinion go in one direction or another. Xavier does not live in a cave, he's doing business on behalf of the membership and there are those that know him and his whereabouts and have shared this information with TRUSTED people. You Deb, have not been one of them since November.

Because you quit publicly and posted Xaviers private communications to you in a public place you lost the trust of those who would share things with you privately and broke Xaviers trust by doing and that is why he stopped communicating with you. Why should he? No one will bring you facts now now, not publicly and not privately.

Spring Flo 2

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Spring_FLO_2

Dearest Debra,

You quit your job as Assistant Admin and then posted publicly, private communication between you and Xavier on the update page last November and talked of scam then. So why would you expect Xavier to contact you after that? You clearly showed then you don't understand privacy and anonymity.

Now you have forsaken all of those that stood behind you and belive (rightly or wrongly) that things will work out fine.

Now you bring your problems over here and expect all that believe to come here and support you in public when you've turned your back on the 1000 or so that were allowed to gather in the private forum in peace because of one person who was angry at Xavier for not surfacing. I was one in the private forum and can attest to what others have said - it was nothing more than 1000 or so that were allowed in there as trusted people by invitation only just so they could be out of the public eye because the free forum was open to anyone. There was nothing shared there that isn't public in other places and no special insight was offered.

In support of you, I do belive that you probably have no information to share. But on the other hand, if Xavier WERE to communicate with you and told you NOT to reveal it, you would keep the secret most likely. So the fact that you haven't heard from doesn't really wash very well. You could be in contact and as you stated before, you might be waiting for claification or more answers before you post.

Now you've asked the membership to come here and support you with facts. You expect a member of FVG or Xavier to come forward in a public place such as this full of naysayers and be on your side when you disowned all that support you and belive in you. Have you had too much to drink or too much to smoke? What clouds your thinking for being logical.?

You don't handle things too well. If I were Xavier you would never be contacted by me and would never receive an invitation to the private program. You set up forums he did not want nor approve of. It was good for the membership and there was lots of education provided that was good for everyone. But still, they were never santioned by Xavier or FVG.

But you did not have the courage of your convictions and instead of withdrawing from public and staying with those who belive and support you you did the opposite.

You are asking people to come forward about proving FVG. Do you recall one Saturday night in the Chat Room when you made this statement "FVG has plenty of money , trust me, they don't need money".

Don't recall it? Would you like a copy? Why did you say that then and now want others to come forward in a public place. What did you know then to cause you to make that statement?

In short you've betrayed everyone. Xavier, FVG and the membership and now expect support?

I am a very firm beliver in Xavier, FVG and the private program. Why, because very simply if one looks at all of the FACTS and then applies common sense, logic, knowledge of off shore matters along with facts reported by reliable sources the positive things far outweigh the negative ones and it all makes perfect sense.

For the naysayers reading this, do not expect anyone to come forward in this forum to make anyone's opinion go in one direction or another. Xavier does not live in a cave, he's doing business on behalf of the membership and there are those that know him and his whereabouts and have shared this information with TRUSTED people. You Deb, have not been one of them since November.

Because you quit publicly and posted Xaviers private communications to you in a public place you lost the trust of those who would share things with you privately and broke Xaviers trust by doing and that is why he stopped communicating with you. Why should he? No one will bring you facts now now, not publicly and not privately.

Spring Flo 2

This is an interesting post!

Now there appears to be another inner circle that does not include Debra:

I am a very firm beliver in Xavier, FVG and the private program. Why, because very simply if one looks at all of the FACTS and then applies common sense, logic, knowledge of off shore matters along with facts reported by reliable sources the positive things far outweigh the negative ones and it all makes perfect sense.

For the naysayers reading this, do not expect anyone to come forward in this forum to make anyone's opinion go in one direction or another. Xavier does not live in a cave, he's doing business on behalf of the membership and there are those that know him and his whereabouts and have shared this information with TRUSTED people.

I wonder what Debra feels about this?

It's obvious this is yet another deception! Unfortunately this statement is
not based on any truth as I am sure even Debra will confirm. NO ONE has
heard from Xavier you can be sure about that there are no "reliable sources".

Debra can you see what is happening here, members are being manipulated
by others who have stepped into the fray for whatever reason. You have now
been cast out by these elite elite group as a naysayer.

Another interesting point is that there is obviously some other communications
going on between Debra and other members, she apparently asked her flock
to come here and support her. And the elite elite group that Spring-Flo
belongs claim to have reliable source contacts direct to Xavier.

This leads to the conclusion that there are still active forums out there that
the majority of FLO members are not privvy to, phew! what's that smell oh
yes it's bullshit!

Like I said interesting!

TM

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

Exellent attempt at disinformation and psych destruction, SpringFLo.

Debra did not use the word 'scam' in November, and did not use it when she resigned. She posted what EX told her to post - although the hummer metaphor was lousy. Really.

She resigned because of lack of communication. Unfortunately she did not sufficiently come out on the side of FLO=Scam at that point. I personally regret that she didn't. It would have saved us all a lot of time.

The rest of your post is a spoiled little kid crying 'cause somebody's taken his gameboy away and is making him do his homework. 'Bad mommy, bad mommy. I hate you. I hate you forever!' Get a grip, Spring.

[Spring_FLO_2]

Originally Posted by wannabe-exFFinvestor

Exellent attempt at disinformation and psych destruction, SpringFLo.

Debra did not use the word 'scam' in November, and did not use it when she resigned. She posted what EX told her to post - although the hummer metaphor was lousy. Really.

She resigned because of lack of communication. Unfortunately she did not sufficiently come out on the side of FLO=Scam at that point. I personally regret that she didn't. It would have saved us all a lot of time.

The rest of your post is a spoiled little kid crying 'cause somebody's taken his gameboy away and is making him do his homework. 'Bad mommy, bad mommy. I hate you. I hate you forever!' Get a grip, Spring.

Wannabe - this is a direct quote from Debra's post on 11-04-2004 on the update page.

Many people think FLO is a scam. They might be right?

Actually the word is used several times in that post. It was on the update page for the world to see. Get you head out of the cave. If you would like, I'd be happy to bring thentire post here. She was the first one in FLO to use the word scam in a public arena as she was addressing the membership.

The lack of communication came after she resigned, talked of scam and posted private communication between her and Xavier.

That's the truth whether you like it or not.

Spring Flo 2

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

So, SpringFLO, here is the whole text, posted here by Mustard, copy-pasted from Debra on the GH forum. Please note that she is not calling FLO a scam, unless of course you have failed Grade 3 reading comprehension. Yes, she uses the word 'scam' a number of times, but definitely not in any context where she actually might be calling it that. So, my dear, try to get your sources right before you start yelling.

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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:22 am Post subject: For those of you who think FLO is a SCAM!!! Reply with quote
All members will conduct themselves with the utmost respect toward fellow members. Violators will be removed from the forum without recourse.

No information from this forum can be posted or quoted on any other forum. Violation of this rule will result in instant expulsion.

Personal attacks upon any member of this forum will result in immediate expulsion.

Posts referring to Scams must be backed up by proof and fact. Scurrilous and unsubstantiated gossip and innuendo is NOT WELCOME HERE.

These are the RULES of GH, for those of you that are inferring that FLO is a SCAM, read the rules and follow them!!! Many of you posting such derogatory comments are not following the rules and the ones who continue to violate the rules will be put on a list and submitted for banning.

FLO pays for this folder, FLO has the right to moderate it and until you have PROOF AND FACTS that back up your bold words I would seriously advise you stop posting them!

There are other forums that allow you to say anything you want and I encourage you to go there and post until your heart is content.

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[themaster]

Originally Posted by Spring_FLO_2

Wannabe - this is a direct quote from Debra's post on 11-04-2004 on the update page.

Many people think FLO is a scam. They might be right?

Actually the word is used several times in that post. It was on the update page for the world to see. Get you head out of the cave. If you would like, I'd be happy to bring thentire post here. She was the first one in FLO to use the word scam in a public arena as she was addressing the membership.

The lack of communication came after she resigned, talked of scam and posted private communication between her and Xavier.

That's the truth whether you like it or not.

Spring Flo 2

What you have stated here is rubbish, she certainly was not the first one to
use the word scam in relation to FLO. Why are you trying to pretend that
you are in a privleged position and know more than everyone else. You
are being missled by those who claim to know Xavier, what are you giving
these people that they need from you. Are you supporting some obscure or
not so obscure cause? Think about it!

TM

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

Spring Flo, you don't mean Debra's second post of November either, do you?

Also posted here in good ol' TG, by Mustard, copy-pasted from GH.

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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:18 am Post subject: It is obvious!!! Reply with quote
Yes, it is obvious, many of you are unhappy. You asked for more information and you got it! It isn't what you wanted to hear and that is fine. If you are unhappy and dont wish to continue with the future plans, please ask for a refund.

This forum is getting out of control and many posts are breaking the forum rules set by Gold Horizons. I do not prohibit Free Speech but what some of you are saying in here is outright despicable! So you don't want to be part of FLO anymore. You just want your money. Yes we heard you loud and clear. Yes Xavier knows very well that people want their refunds. They are creating a way to do that. I think if some of you knew the monumental tasks that were taking place you wouldn't say such derogatory things. But once again, here we have a split in the membership. We have had it before and had many ask for refunds. It is now time for the next group who are unhappy to do the same. You can demand, and scream all you want, but honestly it wont do you a bit of good. When the time is right, the refunds will be made. So please, I respectfully ask any of you who are NOT happy, to just put in your request and focus on something else. There is a group who are still happy with FLO and are happy to stay in it for the long haul. You all wanted to know if FLO was a scam, well the question was asked and the answer was given. You don't like the answer, you think it is a lie? OK, fine we understand. We get the point. What good is it doing you personally to write mean and hateful things? If you just need to release the tension there are better ways.

For the members who are happy, who are here for the long haul, I am REQUESTING that you DO NOT get into back and forth banters with the ones who are unhappy. This is only fueling the fire and is NOT productive. There are members who are not happy. It is obvious! There is NOTHING you can say to CHANGE THEM! So stop trying. Rise above the negativity and present yourself in a positive manner! We are all adults here and we should act accordingly. This forum will come back to some order starting immediately. There are forum rules that you must obey and let's not forget that. If you are mad and have something nasty to say, type it out, read it a couple of times and delete it. It will make you feel better. Please think before you post and realize that nothing is going to change. The questions were asked and the answers were given!

I wish all of those who are leaving the very best! It is my hope that you will stop and reflect for just ONE moment on ALL the GOOD!!! Focus on that for just a few minutes. Think about all that you learned, think about all the security, privacy and anonymity tools that were provided. There was a day when you were VERY happy with FLO, reflect on that and let the anger go. It really hurts only the one who is holding it.

I wish you all nothing but peace and happiness,
_________________
Have a great day!

Debra
FreelandOpps Admin. Assistant

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[frank]

Spring Flo 2

You have said a lot things in your post that do nothing but create more questions. Are you going to be reasonable and answer all of the questions that your post creates? Or are you going to play the same game as Deb and the mods and be better than everyone else because of your apparent high and lofty position of "being in the know"?

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

And now, SpringFLO, as a final document in Debra's saga, this time posted here by Pluggy, who copy-pasted it from GH, Debra's resignation post, dated December 27, 2004.

Unfortunately, she doesn't come out and call FLO a scam here either. She talks about lack of communication. Spring, I read. I remember. I do sometimes get stuff wrong (Mario for Mike, etc.) You seem to create fiction. A good job if it's a book you're writing, but not too good in an argument.

I wish she'd used the word 'scam' in her own description of her opinion of FLO. She didn't. Therefore we have wasted 4 months, and people like NeOblahblah and MiddieMMod took over the sheep forums.

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I have enjoyed a few days away and have had time to reflect on the happenings of FLO. I came here to read what the members were saying and I am forced to voice my own thoughts, feelings and beliefs.

I would first like to say that I know and honor each person as an individual and accept you for being you. We are not all the same, we do not all think the same and we should not all be the same. When someone thinks or acts differently then you that does not make them right or wrong, better or worse than yourself. It amazes me to see some people acting as if they are “better” than someone because their attitude is different than others. If someone shows any signs of doubt or being afraid they are looked at in a negative manner and told to just “believe, have faith etc.”. I have to say that this disturbs me! Xavier is not God and is not someone who is perfect and there are some people writing about him like he is. Xavier is a man, he is human and he makes mistakes just like you and me. I can judge his actions and have the right to consider his actions a mistake if that is what I believe. People make mistakes. Can we forgive them for their mistakes? I forgive people for their mistakes when I have a better understanding of why they have made them. Perhaps there are reasons why they were made. Perhaps they weren’t mistakes after all. Communication is the key to understanding and giving forgiveness.

Now, I am sure you are all very confused and wonder what in the earth is Deb saying. Well, Bottom Line Deb will tell you what she is saying!

I have doubts! I have fears! Is someone going to bash me for them? Why do I have them? When you are left in a position and have no communication from your “boss” for over 30 days, it is very normal to have fears, doubts, and for questions to enter your mind. Remember, I am human. I have feelings and emotions just like anyone else. Some may say, but Deb, you are a leader, you are supposed to be Strong and Emotionally Stable. Well folks, guess what, because I am human, I have the right to have emotions and I also have a right to show those emotions and share those emotions. That is what makes ME…ME!!! Some may like it, some may not! I honestly don’t care what anyone else thinks because I have the right to feel how I feel.

So, now you know the truth. Deb has doubts and Deb has fears. Deb has doubts about Xavier and the future. Why does she have doubts? Because Deb has been left in a position to make decisions with no input from her “boss”. Deb’s job title was Administrative Assistant. She assisted the Administrator. Now that the Administrator is no longer active on “this side” what is she left to assist with? She was forced into a role of becoming the Administrator, one that she felt an obligation to take on because there was no one else to fall into that role. She did the best she could with what little direction she got from her “boss.”

Then one day decisions had to be made, vital ones that affected the members and because no input came from her boss, the decisions were made. Looking back now, those were wise choices. The closing of the Chat room and opening this forum were decisions that were made. They had to be made because there were no funds to continue keeping the chat and staff. A proposal was put forth for a large budget cut which included cutting the chat but kept some of the staff on payroll to maintain this forum and all that it entails. The set up and maintenance of such a project is one that is time consuming and I felt was worthy of being paid for.

I got no response to that proposal. I got no response after the decisions were made. I got no response to what will happen now. I got no response to, how about a Christmas message for the members. I have gotten no response for over 30 days from the person I was supposed to be “assisting”. So what am I left to do? If I was a “good girl” I would just Believe, I would just be Patient, I would just keep my mouth shut and pretend everything is OK! Well, I have never been a “good girl”, I was never one to just keep MY mouth shut! This NO Communication thing does not sit well with me and my “boss”, very well knows it!

But my boss wont respond to me. Now, why won’t he? I don’t know! A part of me wants to Believe and be Patient and Believe everything will be OK and Believe We will Prevail. But another part of me says, Deb let’s be realistic here and look at the facts. Xavier is not active on “this side” anymore. You haven’t heard from him in how long? You have no pay to compensate the ones who are helping keep things together. Your plea’s for Communication have gone unanswered.

We have the good and the bad. We have the Positive and the Negative. Should Deb just sit here and think happy, positive thoughts and Believe all will be OK in the end? Perhaps it will! Perhaps it won’t! The only thing Deb can do is be practical and think logical.

I can’t live today based on the idea of what might happen in the future. I have done that before and been badly disappointed. I believed what someone promised and for legitimate reasons it did not become a reality. This could very well happen again. Xavier could have the best of intentions but those intentions can’t become a reality because of other influencing factors that he did not count on. Without knowing more and understanding what is really happening on the “other side”, I am forced into doing what is necessary to protect myself and my future.

I can not and will not continue to sit here and just blindly believe everything will be OK. I must focus and direct myself on something new, something that I can accomplish today. If everything was meant to be, it will be. It wont matter what I say , it wont matter what I do because I had no control in it’s outcome anyway. For those reasons, I am stepping down as the Administrative Assistant. I am no longer being utilized and I am no longer being Communicated to, so my job duty has served it’s purpose. I will continue to hope and pray for the best and I truly hope that what Xavier has said will happen; Will happen! If I could help make it happen, nothing would stand in my way to assist with that. But since I am on “this side”, I have no control on making it happen the way it was said to happen. I have an invested interest in the success of this program because I am a member with a large stake like many of you. I will assist in anyway I can if and ONLY if I am asked to. If Xavier chooses to send messages for the members, I will be more than happy to deliver them. At this point that is all there is left for me to do.

I will not lose hope and no one can take my “faith” away from me. I still believe in the goodness of man and believe that there are those out there who live their lives to do good and strive to help others. I honestly believed Xavier was one of those men and I pray that all of our lives will be richly blessed in a few months. But for now, I must focus on the here and now and take care of myself and my family who count on me to be emotionally strong and stable. If I worry about today and live today and give my best then I will have no regrets. I must focus on something that will bring income into my home today to support my family. I must focus on something today that will make me feel like I accomplished something Good. Whatever will be; will be. By focusing on today and accomplishing something Good, I will have no regrets when March arrives because no matter the outcome of the future, I would have lived each day giving it my best and I wont feel like I wasted that time by holding back and just hoping everything would be OK.

To Xavier and FVG, I thank you for the opportunity to serve you. If I am needed in the future, please call upon me. To all the wonderful FLO Members who have become like family, I love each and every one of you. I wish you all the very best and I hope that 2005 will be a year of Great Happiness and Great Prosperity. Being Rich is not only about having money, having known you has made me rich and my life will forever be changed . This forum will remain open and be made up of all the people who post here. The Volunteers who will continue to help moderate it are recognized and appreciated and anyone who wishes to step up to help, please do so.

Follow your destiny, Wherever it leads you.

“There comes a time in your life when you realize that if you stand still, you will remain at this point forever. You realize that if you fall and stay down, life will pass you by…”

“Rather than wondering about or questioning the direction your life has taken, accept the fact that there is a path before you now. Shake off the “why’s” and “what if’s,” and rid yourself of confusion. Whatever was – is in the past. Whatever is – is what’s important. The past is a brief reflection. The future is yet to be realized. Today is here.”

Warmest Regards,

Debra

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So, Spring, I have made my point. Now go do your homework if you want to get your gameboy back.

[frank]

Wannabe, I just have to say that you are indeed entertaining! I am serious, I appreciate your wit. A lot of people are hurting over how this whole flo thing has turned out and there is nothing like good humor to take the edge off of the sting.