hosting provied with ddos protection

[Skyree]

Originally Posted by Vintage

After reading this thread from the top, I would strongly advice not to use BLCC or Black Lotus.

First of all, you cannot offer 17gbps protection. Do you know why?
1) Because 17Gbps traffic costs more than you charge.
2) There is no hardware that can filter out 17Gbps ddos attack.
3) 17Gbps ddos would bring down the whole datacenter before even reaching to your hardware (if it exists). Not mentioning the carriers that would just cut your system down in order to protect their own networks.
4) A 3.7Gbps attack that you said that targeted moneyheigh's website is VERY uncommon and usually costs much much more than what moneyheigh had to offer them.

In my opinion you are no different than the HYIP admins when you make false claims and give bullshit excuses.

Our 17 Gbps solution is not cheap and does not rely on a single datacenter. The cost of that service runs an average of $4500 - 6500 per month and makes use of anycasting to announce the IP at upstream routers in U.S., Canada, and Europe. There are numerous routers in various geographical locations that share the load of balancing this traffic. Naturally this would not be profitable if a customer received large attacks on a daily basis, the laws of probability come into play here. A more complete explanation of this is available at http://www.blacklotus.net

The 'carriers' sell us the DDoS protection technology, they're not going to cut us off for using it.

'moneyheight' did not pay $4500 - 6500. He paid $189 and refused to upgrade to $439 which would have solved his problem. Instead he paid a random person who refuses to identify himself or his product $2000 for the same basic service (and he stopped using that product too).

Your strong advice holds no bearing unless you're willing to take the time to research what you're speaking about. My strong advice is to actually find out what our company does and the different products we offer before spouting off.

[Vintage]

1) Anycast is used for loadbalancing DNS servers. It cannot be used for website traffic.

2) You cannot protect a website that has a database from a 17Gbps attack. replicating the same site to 15 datacenters over the world would be impossible from the database mirroring point of view.

3) Would you like to tell people what kind of DDOS protection you provide for lever 1 and 2? Apache scripts and litespeed are not ddos protection tools!!! They can only make the server faster and efficient and they provide ZERO DDOS protection. This is why any website on your level1 or level2 will die instantly after a tiny kiddie attack.

You are selling a non existent DDOS protection for your level 1 and 2. If you call it a DDOS protection plan then it MUST offer a ddos protection.

To any one wishing to order level 1 or level 2 from Blacl Lotus, can install this protection on their own servers almost for free.

edit:
At least gige/blockdos use their own network to filter ddos. What you are offering is a non-existant service that does not protect anything.

And when the customer's website gets down (because you didn't protect him), you lie about a massive 3.7gb attack and urge them to move to a higher plan. Then that customer will get ddoses again - you will say that the attack was 9Gbit and will urge them to upgrade to the enterprise level for 5k. And if the site will go down again you will say it was a 20Gbit attack and you couldn't do anything.

Now tell me this:
What is the difference between a Black Lotus and HYIP? In HYIP people might make money. With you they only lose it for nothing in return.

[goldup]

i wonder most of DDoS probably coming from outside USA, what if you block all non-usa traffic will that help to eliminate most of DDoS?

[Skyree]

Originally Posted by Vintage

1) Anycast is used for loadbalancing DNS servers. It cannot be used for website traffic.

2) You cannot protect a website that has a database from a 17Gbps attack. replicating the same site to 15 datacenters over the world would be impossible from the database mirroring point of view.

3) Would you like to tell people what kind of DDOS protection you provide for lever 1 and 2? Apache scripts and litespeed are not ddos protection tools!!! They can only make the server faster and efficient and they provide ZERO DDOS protection. This is why any website on your level1 or level2 will die instantly after a tiny kiddie attack.

You are selling a non existent DDOS protection for your level 1 and 2. If you call it a DDOS protection plan then it MUST offer a ddos protection.

To any one wishing to order level 1 or level 2 from Blacl Lotus, can install this protection on their own servers almost for free.

edit:
At least gige/blockdos use their own network to filter ddos. What you are offering is a non-existant service that does not protect anything.

And when the customer's website gets down (because you didn't protect him), you lie about a massive 3.7gb attack and urge them to move to a higher plan. Then that customer will get ddoses again - you will say that the attack was 9Gbit and will urge them to upgrade to the enterprise level for 5k. And if the site will go down again you will say it was a 20Gbit attack and you couldn't do anything.

Now tell me this:
What is the difference between a Black Lotus and HYIP? In HYIP people might make money. With you they only lose it for nothing in return.

That you for telling me how my business operates. You earned your Information Systems degree.. where? Excellent. I'm still more qualified to speak here.

Since you clearly require a spoon fed explanation of everything, the IP's are announced globally via anycast and GRE tunneled to the data center in Los Angeles. You're pretty much the only one who has an issue with this and you're not even a customer. The actual real life subscribers to this product do not waste time on forums crying over pure speculation.

Level 1 protection is minimal, it uses server based mitigation strategies (eg. litespeed) primarily. The Level 2 product and higher primarily rely on the network mitigation (eg. Staminus, just like BlockDOS).

On that note BlockDOS does not own any networks. They resell Staminus and GigeNET, just as we resell Staminus for our Level 2 and Level 3 products. Enterprise products are kept on a protected segment of our own network (look up BLC-92 on ARIN).

[Skyree]

Originally Posted by goldup

i wonder most of DDoS probably coming from outside USA, what if you block all non-usa traffic will that help to eliminate most of DDoS?

DDoS comes from the U.S. also. The only time i've really seen this strategy effective is when the site that is to be protected only serves a small geographic area. In one case we had an Italian customer who did not need traffic from anywhere except Italy.

This is quite rare however.

[Skyree]

Vintage,

I forgot to mention, how is the DDoS protection reselling going? http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81875

Your opinions are clearly tainted as you are a competitor, not a bystander as you wish others to believe.

[Vintage]

I'm still more qualified to speak here.

Keep your ASSumptions to yourself or you will look like a fool.

Level 1 protection is minimal, it uses server based mitigation strategies (eg. litespeed) primarily.

Here you go. No DDOS protection. Then why do you say that that plan is DDOS protected? that plan can protect only from people who click refresh 50 times a second but nothing else

I am not wishing anything. I'm just showing people not to trust people that lie, like you do about your protection. And if you lie about one thing, then you will lie about other too.

The funny thing about integrity - you either have it or you don't. You don't have it.

Do a search on this forum and you will see that anyone that used your service was always offline.

And I think (and it is only a hunch) that you DDOS your own clients in order to force them to upgrade to a higher package.
Amazingly all your clients were DDOSed several times before they quit your service to switch to other DDOS protection companies. I wonder why ... hmm...

[shark]

Skyree, you know nothing about me. So it's better for you to shut your mouth to not look like a fool.

I'm just wondering how blcc employees are so unprofessional. They are using all muddy marketing methods, splashing everything around them with mud. You have nothing related to normal business ethics. Any man of sense will never use your service after your messages here.

Skyree, I never said that you're a bad guy, I don't know where you have found this. I never said to anyone that you're a bad guy also. But if you continue to blame me for this, I will....

We are offering a quite different services so it's no point to compare them.

We are offering a full protection service without any upgrade plans, we don't want to fool our customers and talk them that they should upgrade their protection level, LOL . I have passed through these tricks myself when goldpoll was under various ddos attacks, and it's too sad to draw a conclusion that companies like blcc are playing on their customers' disaster. Make a search on the forum - everyone is blaming your service, I don't know what protection level they are blaming - but it's enough.

BTW, Moneyheight wasn't under 3.7 gbps attack. Or the attack was stopped immediately after his moving to us, LOL

[Skyree]

Originally Posted by Vintage

And I think (and it is only a hunch) that you DDOS your own clients in order to force them to upgrade to a higher package.
Amazingly all your clients were DDOSed several times before they quit your service to switch to other DDOS protection companies. I wonder why ... hmm...

That is usually what BlockDOS will tell customers to try to keep them from using us. I'm seeing the correlation materialize. We sell diffrent levels of hosting in order to target all markets. Some customers want the minimal (which means "low," not "no." Buy a dictionary) and others want significantly better which is why we offer Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, and Enterprise.

shark,

It most likely stopped, he is not down right now even without a DDoS protected host. You see where I explained our hosting levels above. What you're offering is inline with our Level 3 hosting. We simply choose to also offer lesser packages to those customers who cannot afford or do not want to buy a $439, $2000, etc. package.

[Skyree]

Originally Posted by Vintage

Amazingly all your clients were DDOSed several times before they quit your service to switch to other DDOS protection companies. I wonder why ... hmm...

Other companies see this as their opportunity to lie to our customers.