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Old 07-17-2008, 09:19 PM
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Andy is the President, Clerance is the CEO. It is a 50-50 partnership.

SOMEONE JUST SENT THIS TO ME:
ASD Cash Generator Considered Fraud:
http://www.tulsatoday.com/
By David Arnett
Tuesday, 15 July 2008
ImageA new "make money without even trying" phenomenon is heading to Tulsa in the near future - but one man hopes to derail what he claims is a potentially fraudulent economic train wreck for those who buy into the company's Web site ad-selling scheme.

According to its own company line, ASD Cash Generator (ASD) is a "gateway to financial independence." But according to one insider, it is a fraud which is inevitably moving towards collapse - and one that will hurt thousands who do not fully understand the program or the financial numbers provided. And regardless of which one is right, ASD surely raked in a respectable wad of dough at a July 12 convention in Miami, FL, and it will probably do so again on August 23 in Tulsa, as the mega-money program travels across the country this summer, dragging with it the potential to make millions from other people's greed in the process.

Whether through its Web site or its wandering convention circuit, ASD's pitch is straightforward: You, too, can earn money by purchasing advertising packages on the Internet and convincing others to do the same! Purchasers "earn rebates up to 100 percent of their ad cost" and "can also earn an additional 25 percent."

At first, the premise had sounded good to the caller - we'll call him "Robert" - who recently contacted Tulsa Today and major newspapers and media outlets throughout the nation where ASD conventions had been held or were scheduled, anxious for his cautionary ASD-related tale to be heard. As a print publisher since 1985 and an Internet publisher since 1996, I decided to hear him out.

After some of his friends and relatives had invested in ASD, Robert - requesting confidentiality due to his ties with potential victims - had carefully reviewed the company's promises and procedures, and had looked at the numbers those promises were based upon. He said he was outraged by what he considered the company's fraud, but if he called the public's attention to it, he feared ASD would almost certainly collapse and, in doing so, hurt his friends, colleagues and family. He became convinced that if he remained silent, his people might recover their investments, but thousands of others could - and, most likely, would - suffer negative consequences.

Image"People are buying these 'ad packages' with the hopes and dreams of big pay-offs," Robert said. He doesn't believe ASD is stable enough to support its mega-money claims.

ASD claims not to be an investment service, and that ASD members are purchasing advertising packages. Its Web site explains how participants can make money: "You are paid 5 percent up to 10 percent commission on all ad sales, banner ad sales and ebook sales you make personally. You are paid 3 percent up to 5 percent commission on all ad sales, banner ad sales and ebooks sales made by the advertisers you recommended."

The verbiage continues, "An advertiser may pay a monthly membership fee and reduce cash-out fees, increase referral commissions and decrease the number of sites to view on a daily basis. The amount of your monthly membership fee determines the number of times you can cash out each week, the amount of your referral commissions, and the number of sites you must view each day to receive your rebates.

"If you do not pay a membership fee, you will be paid a 3 percent referral commission on all of your personal sales only. When you pay a $10-per-month membership fee, you earn a 5 percent referral commission on your personal sales and 3 percent on your second level sales. When you pay a $25-per-month membership fee, you earn a 7 percent referral commission on your personal sales and 4 percent on your second level sales. When you pay a $100-per-month membership fee, you earn a 10 percent referral commission on your personal sales and 5 percent on your second level sales. This can mean a tremendous amount of income to you - and you decide which is right for you."

Robert summarized his understanding of ASD's philosophy: "If you buy a $10,000 ad package, you get 10,000 ad credits - which earns you $100 a day for 125 days. Thus, in 25 days, you would get back $12,500. That's a $2,500 profit."

ImageRobert said ASD appears to offer incentives for larger ad packages which seem to ensure larger payouts. "As far as I know, there is a running promotion on the Web site that agrees to match your ad package credits (investment) at 1.25 times the amount," he said. "So $10,000 gets you $12,500 x 125 days, which is $15,625 - a profit of $5,625."

He continued: "At all previous conventions, they offered promotions to double ad package credits to the purchasers and also match the amount to the person who initiated the sale. In addition, the immediate up leg gets 10 percent commission and 5 percent to next up leg.

"So $10,000 gets the purchaser $20,000 in ad credits - and the up leg guy gets $10,000 in ad credits, as well. This creates insurmountable accounting issues. In addition, ASD receives 50 percent of all revenue generated. This is the whole reason why the myth of riches and pay-offs continues to be perpetuated - even though there is no money left to pay out," he concluded.

On the surface, ASD seems to be making the big money it needs to make the big payouts, but Robert isn't so sure that life will continue to be rosy for the company and its participants.

"Take the last convention in Tampa as an example - that gathered $40 million in purchased ad credits. ASD gets $20 million off the top. Commissions are paid at 10 percent to the first leg and trickles up to total 11.1 percent paid commissions. Commissions are paid at 5 percent to the second leg, which also trickles up to equal 5.5 percent to reach a grand total of $6.6 million in commissions paid. Of the total cash ($40 million) gathered, $20 million goes to ASD and $6.6 million goes to commissions - which leaves only $13.4 million to be distributed towards payments promised to ad credits," Robert said.

"Ad credits are $40 X 2 for the double promotion, plus $40 million for the match up leg promotion - which equals $120 million, paid at $1.2 million a day for 125 days. They can only pay these people for about 11 days with the cash on hand. From my best research, there have been five conferences/conventions in about 30 days which have offered double promotions," he said.

"By the time the ASD conference hits Tulsa, the company could be $1 billion upside-down. I don't see how anyone in Tulsa could get their money back out of this program. In fact, the odds are that no one, even as early as Saturday in Miami, could get their money back out," Robert added.

Image"The argument from ASD is that they have additional streams of income. By requiring ad purchasers to surf, ASD asserts this activity creates value. However, given the promised payouts, outside revenue is irrelevant, insignificant and appears to be no more than a smokescreen," Robert said.

Robert said he felt a personal calling to warn the public against buying into ASD's web of false Webvertising.

Later, by e-mail, Robert asserted, "ASD charges one dollar for each ad package, and each ad package includes one credit. One credit equals one showing of your Web site (or the Web site of your choice). In my best assessment, the market value for one hit on your Web site is 1 cent or less, which is less than one percent of what people are paying for each ad package. Furthermore, the vast majority of the purchasers of ASD ad packages that I know are using somebody else's Web site and don't have any intention of utilizing the advertising services."

However, Robert claims that ASD is careful to avoid rules governing 'investments' and 'deposits.' Terms and conditions posted note, "All payments made to ASD are considered advertising purchases, not investments or deposits of any kind. All sales are final. ASD does not guarantee any earnings and/or rebates. All rebates paid to advertisers are for the service of viewing other advertiser's Web sites. All commissions are for referring advertisers to ASD. All advertising purchases are non-refundable after the passing of the 3 days right of rescission."

To be sure, ASD Cash Generator doesn't make it easy to understand its machinations, but it does appear to want to make it clear that its participants are bound by their decision to affiliate with the company.

From my own Web publisher's standpoint, the ASD program appears on its face to be insane. Web site traffic creates value only when real customers respond to that advertising by purchasing products or services from the advertiser. Tulsa Today is successful not simply because we reach over 100,000 unique readers per month (2.8 million page views and 5.5 million hits in the last year alone), but because our readers respond to Tulsa Today advertising and discuss our news - which generates more advertising impressions and creates more sales.

To think that anyone could earn money by viewing Web sites when they have no interest in the content or advertised products of such sites is just silly. The old saw, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" would probably be a good phrase to remember right about now.

But the cracks in ASD's foundation are beginning to show.

Currently, it appears that each conference/convention provides just enough cash to keep participants hopeful. In apparent propaganda, the company claims the tremendously positive response of the program has caused accounting process to be overwhelmed. A recent e-mail sent by ASD said, "The new ACH cash out process for U.S. members should be online, hopefully, tomorrow and the office will be back on track with cash-outs. There was a delay with cash-outs while this new service was put into place to replace direct deposit cash-outs. Also, Bank of America will now be handling the live check cash-outs for ASD. ASD will send the information to Bank of America and they will print and mail out the checks for us now. There was training involved with the Bank of America folks, teaching the ASD accounting people how to do the new ACH process. All of these new processes played into the delay of recent cash-outs. Again, please be as patient as you can."

In addition, many members requesting some or all of their money back have been given the "Devil-in-the-Detail Shuffle." Yet another e-mail from ASD points to the submission of conflicting names as a major issue in payment delay, saying, "Please make sure that you have a W-9 submitted to the ASD office (U.S. members only) prior to requesting a cash-out. Also, you must make sure that your name on your ASD Web site is exactly the same as what you have on your W-9. If there is even the slightest difference, then your cash-out will not go through." Apparently, many members signed up as individuals, but turned in their W-9s with business names and tax ID numbers, which ASD claims has been a factor in the delay of payments.

ImageIn addition to last Saturday's convention in Miami, events are scheduled for Saturday, July 19 in Arlington Heights, IL (outside Chicago); Saturday, August 23 in Tulsa, OK; and Saturday, Sept. 13 in Anaheim, CA - a two-day, quarterly ASD Conference called a "Mini-Convention."

A cynic might suggest that there's good money to be made outside every ASD conference/convention - just offer to save potential attendees thousands of dollars for a cool hundred bucks - then hand them this article and a simple business card inscribed, "Keep your money in your pocket and run like hell."
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David Arnett
About the Author:
David Arnett began his career in professional journalism in 1985 and has published Tulsa Today since 1996 - before Al Gore invented the Internet. He has won two national awards as a First Amendment Publisher. Arnett is a Constitutional Republican, Public Information Specialist and Conservative Media Critic. This analysis may be reproduced without charge with proper attribution and links back to the original source. Arnett is available for interview by recognized media.
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:25 PM
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Every time I try to post link it comes up wrong.
Then error occurs and say something like technical error contact support.

but here is this: http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/15336335.pdf


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purplecity65, where is the proof that Clarence Busby is the CEO of GoldenPanda in your link???... It's NOT clearly stated.

LynnRE, ASD never said that Busby was the CEO... OK! show me the proof where did you read this please?

I repeat again Andy Bowdoin is the CEO of GoldenPanda. Clarence Busby has an important responsibility with GoldenPanda BUT he's only one of the directors of the program.

Purplecity65, you are riddiculous, here:

http://img112.**************/img112/3...8192800he2.jpg

This link is inaccessible and your informations are totally FALSE... I didn't know you were ready to LIE only because you're unable to prove that ASD is a SCAM!...

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Old 07-17-2008, 09:34 PM
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purplecity65, where is the proof that Clarence Busby is the CEO of GoldenPanda in your link???... It's NOT clearly stated.

LynnRE, ASD never said that Busby was the CEO... OK! show me the proof where did you read this please?

I repeat again Andy Bowdoin is the CEO of GoldenPanda. Clarence Busby has an important responsibility with GoldenPanda BUT he's only one of the directors of the program.

Purplecity65, you are riddiculous, here:

http://img112.**************/img112/3...8192800he2.jpg

This link is inaccessible and your informations are totally FALSE... I didn't know you were ready to LIE only because you're unable to prove that ASD is a SCAM!...
Since you asked, here it is: Golden Panda's Terms and Conditions states that Clarence Busby, Jr. is the CEO. Andy is the president of Golden Panda. ASD's position is that the Panda site is a separate corporation and is NOT ASD.

You're right, it is from unreliable sources. How silly of me to believe it. That raises the question, is Any really the CEO of ASD since it is from an unreliable source?
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:30 AM
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I still havent heard from
some one about the section on changing
the terms, I never got an answer about
the OFFICAL Calculator wasn't true now
it seems ASD is the only Company that
has (we can change the terms when
every we feel like it.) Makes one go
Hmmmm in the nite. but keep up
the good work and advice.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:22 AM
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Since you asked, here it is: Golden Panda's Terms and Conditions states that Clarence Busby, Jr. is the CEO. Andy is the president of Golden Panda. ASD's position is that the Panda site is a separate corporation and is NOT ASD.

You're right, it is from unreliable sources. How silly of me to believe it. That raises the question, is Any really the CEO of ASD since it is from an unreliable source?
Update: Andy is no longer the President of Panda. This is from his statement made today, and I quote:

"Posted July 17, 2008

To All Members of ASD and La Fuente Dinero from President, Andy Bowdoin:

Due to the amount of time I must dedicate to manage ASD and La Fuente Dinero, I have resigned my position as President of Golden Panda and have relinquished my ownership and affiliation with the Golden Panda Ad Builder Company.

I have much respect for Clarence Busby and wish him great success in his endeavor.


Sincerely,

Andy Bowdoin

Now since this came directly from ASD, and we now know they are not a reliable source, I can only hope this is true.
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I got two payments yesterday to STP for two pendings 7/7, 7/8 requests and one payment today to STP for one pending 7/10. Thanks to all who make this happen. ASD is a great program!!

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Quote form ASD member.


So, think about this for a second.

Has anybody noticed a trend that the site is down for "maintenance" after each convention?

Didn't they shut down the system in May for 10 days and said they could now handle 500,000 or 1 million people? We are at 98,000 on the English site.

Two weeks ago they said they were going to get EVRYBODY caught up and paid, checks sent out. That happened for the most part, people started getting checks this week.

But...we have not recieved our rebates all week! Reason is system maintenance....really?

What if I put this thought in your head. ASD has not paid out all week because they broke themselves sending out all those checks, probably worth millions!

Here is my guess....and anybody, please chime in.....

I bet we don't get our rebates until next week, after they pull in 40 million or so from Chicago. Enough money to get us back on track and pay out the rebates. We are being paid only what people bring into the ASD, not enough outside resources to cover the rest.
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So, think about this for a second.

Has anybody noticed a trend that the site is down for "maintenance" after each convention?

Didn't they shut down the system in May for 10 days and said they could now handle 500,000 or 1 million people? We are at 98,000 on the English site.

Two weeks ago they said they were going to get EVRYBODY caught up and paid, checks sent out. That happened for the most part, people started getting checks this week.

But...we have not recieved our rebates all week! Reason is system maintenance....really?

What if I put this thought in your head. ASD has not paid out all week because they broke themselves sending out all those checks, probably worth millions!

Here is my guess....and anybody, please chime in.....

I bet we don't get our rebates until next week, after they pull in 40 million or so from Chicago. Enough money to get us back on track and pay out the rebates. We are being paid only what people bring into the ASD, not enough outside resources to cover the rest.
BINGO!!!....Been that way since the day asd opened
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Quote form ASD member.


So, think about this for a second.

Has anybody noticed a trend that the site is down for "maintenance" after each convention?

Didn't they shut down the system in May for 10 days and said they could now handle 500,000 or 1 million people? We are at 98,000 on the English site.

Two weeks ago they said they were going to get EVRYBODY caught up and paid, checks sent out. That happened for the most part, people started getting checks this week.

But...we have not recieved our rebates all week! Reason is system maintenance....really?

What if I put this thought in your head. ASD has not paid out all week because they broke themselves sending out all those checks, probably worth millions!

Here is my guess....and anybody, please chime in.....

I bet we don't get our rebates until next week, after they pull in 40 million or so from Chicago. Enough money to get us back on track and pay out the rebates. We are being paid only what people bring into the ASD, not enough outside resources to cover the rest.
Good points. From my research what i do know is that the company has had this happen before and they issued global percentages ranging from 5-8%. That must be on the total. So instead of 1% compounded, you got 8% of what was in your account at the start of when the website went down.

That's not a substitution for not supplying the advertising though, which is technically what you pay for.

Maybe the rebate money is going towards hiring those lawyers to sue all of the people on the internet that think it's a scam. Personally, I think they should use it to advertise that they are legit, not sue the people that think they aren't. They'd get more members by showing that it's legit, right? If 10 people don't believe them, and they sue the 1 that published something, wouldn't the funds be better suited to convincing all 10 people that it's a good idea?
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