Is cisco going down-under??

Just for you, cowboy!

[saxifrage]

Originally Posted by cisco

I take it by your question that you don't believe in a God!

Nor do I, while we're showing our hands.

[okosh]

Originally Posted by cisco

I looked and looked for a document that I read last year written by a PLO boss, who at the time was under Arafat. I can't find it anywhere on the net, but I'll try to give another look-see later. Anyway, this document admits that there is no such thing as a Palestinian. It's a made up term to unite the middle east people against Israel. Truth is, if all these Arab states were so concerned about the welfare of the Palestinians then they would have given them a piece of their unused land. There are tens of thousands of square miles that could have been given to the Palestinians. It's unoccupied, why not give it to them? They'd rather use the Palestinians to further their hatred of the jews.

Sorry Spit, but when the U.N. gave Israel their present day land, Israel had every right to expel anyone that it didn't want there. They're a sovereign nation and can do as they please. As the Bible scholar that you are, you should know that the Hebrews are God's chosen people.

@ Spit....


I'm going to introduce you to someone...


This is Rabbi Meir Kahana....





Spit...Don't let the writing fool you...this is an American citizen.....
Born in the USA....Migrated to Israel in 1969....
YES...You can be An American & Israeli citizen at the same time...
Most Americans, Aussies etc have duel....

So he was always an American citizen

This is an election poster, (an advertisement for votes).....

The words say...
Top of pic....."THIS TIME KAHANA"

Bottom...."Because he is one of us! Give him the power to finally take care of them!"

Them= The Palestinians.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_movement

Kach (Hebrew: כ"ך‎, an acronym for Kahane LaKnesset (Hebrew: כהנא לכנסת‎, lit. Kahane to the Knesset)) was a far right political party in Israel. Founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane in the early 1970s, and following his Kahanist ideology, the party entered the Knesset in 1984 after several electoral failures. However, it was barred from participating in the next election in 1988 under the revised Knesset Elections Law banning parties that incited racism. After Kahane's assassination in 1990 the party split, with Kahane Chai (Hebrew: כהנא חי‎, lit. Kahane Lives) breaking away from the main Kach faction. The party was also barred from standing in the 1992 election, and both organisations were banned outright in 1994. Today both groups are considered terrorist organisations by Israel, Canada, the European Union and the United States.[1][2][3]

Back Ground:

Early history

Kahane immigrated to Israel from the United States in September 1969, declaring that he would not become involved in politics.[4] However, he soon became involved in controversy, initiating protests against the Black Hebrews living in Dimona, and advocating the expulsion of Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian territories. In 1972 Jewish Defense League leaflets were distributed around Hebron calling for the mayor to stand trial for the 1929 Hebron massacre.

Kahane soon founded a new party, Kach, which ran in the 1973 elections. The party won 12,811 votes (0.82%), just 2,857 (0.18%) short of the electoral threshold (1%) and winning a seat. The party was less successful in the 1977 elections, in which it won 4,396 votes, and in 1980 Kahane was sentenced to six months in prison for his involvement in a plan to commit an "act of provocation" on the Temple Mount.[4] The 1981 elections were another failure, with Kach receiving only 5,128 votes.

Electoral success
Kach poster from the 1984 elections. It reads "This time Kahane: Because he is one of us! Give him the power to finally take care of them!"
Kach poster from the 1984 elections. It reads "This time Kahane: Because he is one of us! Give him the power to finally take care of them!"

However, events in the next couple of years increased the party's popularity. In 1982 Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt as part of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty which involved evacuating Israeli settlers living in the peninsula. There was fierce resistance, particularly in Yamit, the largest settlement, where several extremists had barricaded themselves inside a synagogue and were threatening to commit suicide. Menachem Begin's government asked Kahane to act as an intermediary and convince them to give in.

Prior to the 1984 elections the party was barred by the Central Elections Committee for racism. It successfully appealed to the Supreme Court, which reversed the CEC's decision, ruling that the Knesset Elections Law (one of the Basic Laws of Israel) did not allow a party to be barred on the grounds of racism, but did suggest that the law be amended.[4] In the elections the party won 25,907 votes (1.2%), passing the electoral threshold for the first time, and winning one seat, which was duly taken by Kahane.

In response to Kach's election and following up on the recommendation of the Supreme Court, the Knesset passed an amendment to the Elections Law, which stated:[4]

A candidates list shall not participate in elections to the Knesset if its objects or actions, expressly or by implication, include one of the following:

(1) negation of the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people;
(2) negation of the democratic character of the State
(3) incitement to racism

As a result, Kach was disqualified from running in the 1988 elections by the Central Elections Committee. The party once again appealed the decision, with Kahane claiming that security needs were justification for discrimination against Arabs. This time the appeal was unsuccessful, with the court stating that the aims and action of Kach were "manifestly racist".[4]


Kahane's death and party split

On 5 November 1990, Kahane was assassinated [5] after making a speech in New York. The party subsequently split in two, with Binyamin Ze'ev Kahane (Kahane's son) leading a breakaway faction, Kahane Chai, based in Kfar Tapuach (a West Bank settlement) and Kach intitially under the leadership of Rabbi Avraham Toledano (later replaced by Baruch Marzel) in Kiryat Arba. Both parties were banned from participating in the 1992 elections on the basis that they were followers of the original Kach.

Following both parties noting their support of a grenade attack in Jerusalem's Old City, government minister Amnon Rubinstein asked the Attorney General to launch criminal proceedings against both Kahane and Marzel on the charges of incitement to terrorism.

In 1994 both groups were banned outright by the Israeli cabinet under 1948 anti-terrorism laws [6] following statements in support of Baruch Goldstein's massacre of 29 Palestinians at the Cave of the Patriarchs (Goldstein himself was a Kach supporter).[7] Many of their leaders spent time in Israeli jail under administrative detention, particularly Noam Federman, who spent more than 6 months in lockup without being indicted. Yigal Amir, who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin in 1995 was a member of Eyal (the Jewish Fighting Organization), linked to Kach and Kahane Chai and established and headed by Avishai Raviv (a paid government informant).

After being convicted for sedition for distributing pamphlets advocating violence against Arabs, Binyamin Kahane and his wife were both killed in a Palestinian ambush in December 2000.[8]

Aftermath
Kach logo spraypainted on a cement block reading "Kahana Chai"
Kach logo spraypainted on a cement block reading "Kahana Chai"
Kahanist graffiti in Hebron on a Palestinian home. The words to the top right say "Kahane Chai". The fist inside the Star of David is the party logo. Below is the acronym for "Kahane Chai" which is also the Hebrew word for strength.
Kahanist graffiti in Hebron on a Palestinian home. The words to the top right say "Kahane Chai". The fist inside the Star of David is the party logo. Below is the acronym for "Kahane Chai" which is also the Hebrew word for strength.

Following the banning of Kach and Kahane Chai, the movements officially disbanded. The leadership of the former Kahane Chai formed an advocacy group known as The Kahane Movement. The group's activities consist mainly of maintaining the Kahane website, kahane.org. However, the Kahane Movement is listed on the United States' list of terrorist organizations as an alias for "Kach", though the group denies this.

The New Kach Movement existed during between 2001 and 2003 and maintained websites posting Kahanist political commentary and held meetings with informal members. Headed by Israeli-born student Efraim Hershkovits, it had chapters worldwide as well as a youth movement, Noar Meir. Upon returning to live in Israel in 2003, Hershkovits disbanded the movement to avoid harassment by the Israeli government, advising its former members to support the Kahane Movement. After the organization had disbanded, its name was also added to the United States' list of terrorist organizations as an alias for "Kach". Hershkovits was arrested on August 7, 2005 and placed in administrative detention for three months by Israeli authorities.

Today the United States continues to designate the group a terrorist organization [2] and says that it has engaged in terrorist activity by

* using explosives or fire arms with intent to endanger the safety of individuals or cause substantial damage to property (including an attempt to leave an explosive-packed trailer outside a Palestinian girls school and hospital in East Jerusalem)
* threatening and conspiring to carry out assassinations
* soliciting funds and members for a terrorist organization

The State Department also says that the group is suspected of involvement in a number of low-level attacks since the start of the Second Intifada in 2000.

In the 2003 elections former Kach leader Baruch Marzel ran as number two on the Herut – The National Movement party list. The party narrowly missed obtaining a seat. In 2004 he founded the Jewish National Front, which gained 24,824 votes (0.7%) in the 2006 elections, less than half needed to win a seat.

Former Kahane Chai chief executive [1]Mike Guzofsky continues to solicit funds in the US, with the support of US Kahanists.[9]

[MichaelC45]

Why not ask him about what he said/did, to his widowed neighbor that irritated her so much she told him to never speak to her again..........

Originally Posted by cisco

While you're gracing us here, I've got a question for you. I saw a quote of yours on another forum where you once accused Gil of liking children a little too much. Then in another quote you denied making that accusation. Care to comment on which is correct?

Yep. The second one is correct. The denial. The first is not a quote of mine because I have never said that. Anybody that says I did is a liar.

[okosh]

Originally Posted by saxifrage

Given the billions of dollars in aid that the US gives Israel, if Spit worked for a living I reckon he'd have more right to comment on what the Israelis get up to than you or I.

Obviously, that's a moot point.

Why in your opinion does America do this??

Why does America give a stuff about Israel??

What is the agenda of the USA Government??

Originally Posted by MichaelC45

Why not ask him about what he said/did, to his widowed neighbor that irritated her so much she told him to never speak to her again..........

Why don't you tell him where you got that info from? Better still produce a quote.(with a link to an actual post)

[MichaelC45]

Originally Posted by GoodProxy

Yep. The second one is correct. The denial. The first is not a quote of mine because I have never said that. Anybody that says I did is a liar.

Thefatman
Banned Join Date: Oct 2005
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Re: Phoenix Dollar, Scam or not?

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OK, just to put the record straight once more. Not that any of you care but at least here it can't be deleted by a WWSN mod.

Yes, I made an inference that I shouldn't have done. I regretted it and have regretted it ever since. I have long since apologised to Gil for it and he accepted my apologies.

What was said once and once only was this.

Gil said that he had kids out to his place for day outings. I replied "so does Michael Jackson" That was wrong. I have never repeated it except in a post like this where I make it clear that whatever impression was given was the wrong impression.

Now if you want to compare that to the campaign that has been mounted against me, so be it.

[cisco]

Originally Posted by GoodProxy

Yep. The second one is correct. The denial. The first is not a quote of mine because I have never said that. Anybody that says I did is a liar.

Oh, okay, I see. Thank you Eddie.

[okosh]

Originally Posted by cisco

I saw an interesting documentary a couple of years ago. It was about the 6 day war. At one point in the conflict the Arabs amassed a huge amount of weaponry along the Israeli border. Countless pieces of artillery and tanks, not to mention manpower. As they awaited orders to proceed into Israel, the Arab forces suddenly and inexplicably took off away from Israel, running for their lives and leaving all their equipment. What caused them to run, nobody knew at the time. Years later, while putting together this documentary, the producer tracked down some of the Arab soldiers to find out. They interviewed the men in different locations and at different times. To a man they all gave the same answer. They all said as they prepared to enter Israel there appeared a group of angels along that border. The angels were huge and armed. It terrified them so bad they fled for their lives. They also proclaimed that Israel doesn't fight fair by using angels. When I saw that, it sent chills down my spine.

Mass hallucinations? maybe...divine intervention? possibly.

DO you believe also in the curse of the Kennedy's(JFK)??...