SunFlowerSeed.org

[sunflower]

@EuroEx:

Hallo Karsten! Wie geht es Ihnen?

Danke, gut.
Hättest aber ruhig 'Du' sagen können.

Jaja, nach dem Motto: "Test test...isser wirklich deutscher?"

@xfx:
Right. Principle included.

[draddog]

I invest your money (and mine) in 15 to 20 online programs and 2 very stable offline ones. My downline is strong enough to generate a steady flow of daily income.

Can anyone confirm that deposits are actually being invested? Any avilable evidence would be a step in the right direction.

[draddog]

The numbers here really do not add up...
The deposits can't possibly earn 50% profit per month based on the information in the SunFlowerSeed.org FAQ

The first 80% of your money:

Q-11: Who are the 2 offline private clubs where 80% of the funds flows into?
A-11: These 2 clubs are very private and offline. They have existed for 20 years and I have been in them for over 2 years. The minimum to invest in them is $50,000. The profit ratio is variable and they payout monthly. The returns are 4% to 7%.

And the other 20%:

Q-10: Who are the 15 to 20 online programs I invest into?
A-10: At this time (2005-07-01) some of them are Premium-Division, Feederfund, Prime-Fund, 4xClub...
This list is not updated regularly! So don't be confused if some of them disappear.

So 80% of your deposit earns 7% monthly (let's be generous and assume the max)
Therefore the remaining 20% would have to earn 222% in order for you to made the 50% profit advertised by SunFlowerSeed

Example:
$100 Deposit
$80 * 7% = $5.60
$20 * 222% = $44.40
Total profit = $50 for a 50% profit

So the only way the money offered is acheivable is if SunFlowerSeed can make 222% profit investing in other HYIPs. Every month.
And this is just to deliver your profit. With operating costs they'd be LOSING money just by letting you invest. Also the Weekly program pays even more interest, which means an even more astounding return would be needed.
That's a little trick I like to call 'Math'.


Seems like the admin is quite active, I'd be interested to see an explaination for this.

[saxifrage]

Of course it doesnt have to add up. Its a ponzi.

[ocean7443]

Originally Posted by saxifrage

Of course it doesnt have to add up. Its a ponzi.

every program is a ponzi in a certain way.

it is how the admin setup his own formula on how many % of investment goes into money cycling and how many % into other investments. a working formula will make the program last longer and of course the admin can turn into a scammer just like FundsWizard.

[saxifrage]

every program is a ponzi in a certain way.

No, a program that does real investing and pays an interest rate according to that return is not a ponzi.

[sunflower]

So 80% of your deposit earns 7% monthly (let's be generous and assume the max)

At first: I said "between" 4% to 7%. This doesn't mean you can calculate with a fixed rate at 7%. There are sometimes bonus which are paid out to the members.
Secondly, its 4% daily, not monthly. Because I calculated the monthly returns (+ principle) out of these two programs daily. So the profit is 20% per month (+ principle).

And furthermore, the 5% per day on Field 01 on 'Sunflower Seed' was only a promotion to attract new members.

The only problem is the redeposit function which is like compounding and I must suppress it or I implement some 'features' which can suppress it automatically.
There will be some changes in the next time on 'Sunflower Seed' to improve it.

Yes, 'Sunflower Seed' is a ponzi: But only exactly for 30 days.

But why I chose to calculate in such high rates? Its because of the competition. Because how many members can be attract if I say: "I pay 20% monthly"? Yes, some special species on this forum and others which have nothing more to do as talk every day about ponzis. WOW. Have you nothing else to do with your leisure?

[draddog]

At first: I said "between" 4% to 7%. This doesn't mean you can calculate with a fixed rate at 7%.
Secondly, its 4% daily, not monthly.

A 20 year old offline program making 4% Daily? Daily!?
Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

At their minimum investment of $50,000 over the 2 years you've been in them you must have really cleaned up. Why would you want to bother with little programs like Prime-Fund and premium-division? You've apparently found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Because I calculated the monthly returns (+ principle) out of these two programs daily. So the profit is 20% per month (+ principle).

4% each trading day
4% * 20 days = 60% per month not 20%
If you meant based on the 80% of the total deposit than it's 48% profit. Still not 20%
You're investing people's money and you can't do simple math......

And furthermore, the 5% per day on Field 01 on 'Sunflower Seed' was only a promotion to attract new members.

Your weekly program offers 224% return over 8 weeks. That's 62% profit a month. Your promotional program offers 50% profit a month.
Having noted your math skills above I'm going spell this out:
62 is a BIGGER number than 50

Yes, 'Sunflower Seed' is a ponzi: But only exactly for 30 days.

No, Sunflower Seed is a ponzi through and through.


Haha, from the NEW faq:

Q-13: Who are the 2 offline private clubs where also some of the funds flows into?
A-13: These 2 clubs are very private and offline. They have existed for 20 years and I have been in them for over 2 years. The minimum to invest in them is $50,000. The profit ratio is variable and they payout monthly.

Less info means less to argue with, eh? Pathetic....

[sunflower]

@draddog:

A 20 year old offline program making 4% Daily? Daily!? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

Have you read what I wrote? I think no. Please read it again and include the sentences below the one you have in your quote in your post.

Why would you want to bother with little programs like Prime-Fund and premium-division? You've apparently found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Because I can only invest there via bankwire. Furthermore the $50,000 are pooled and not completely my own.

4% each trading day
4% * 20 days = 60% per month not 20%
If you meant based on the 80% of the total deposit than it's 48% profit. Still not 20%
You're investing people's money and you can't do simple math......

I think you can't simple math:
If I say I calculate the monthly profit to a daily one than this is 4% daily.
Have you understand any of the words I wrote? I don't think so...
If you can't read than don't think.

our weekly program offers 224% return over 8 weeks. That's 62% profit a month. Your promotional program offers 50% profit a month.

5% ... but "daily". Read it again. For any investor the 5% daily is more attractive because he can reinvest his money after 30 days and get more out after 60 days if he do that. And the other plans closes in the future too. So I say it again: Let others do the thinking because you can't read and know nothing about me and my strategies. I don't offer my business strategies to people like you with see in any word I say a bad sign.

Less info means less to argue with, eh? Pathetic....

No, its because some peoples like you can't read and throwing any word I say in my mouth.
Thats a result of your misapprehending.

[EuroEx]

Originally Posted by sunflower

Secondly, its 4% daily, not monthly.

Thirdly, it's less than 4% daily because our principle is included... and if investment term is 30 days, real and clear profit percentage is 20%, another words we have 0.6(6)% daily and this is another story...