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Old 10-05-2009, 07:18 PM
Poverello Poverello is offline
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Phoenix ATu joined and immediately started posting negatively about us impersonating a potential client. No potential client ever behaves like this person. All the posts ever done were attacks at me for competitive reasons. Now making untrue claims like we are not a law firm. No clients of asset protection law firms would violate their attorney client privilege by posting negatively.
Next step is more new phantom users posting negatively. This is not worth anymore time and will ignore. Suggest all ignore this obvious malicious abuser of the forum.

Prove you are a legit law firm ....we are waiting...



P.S. For a change , try to answer the question.
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Old 10-07-2009, 03:53 AM
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Prove you are a legit law firm ....we are waiting...



P.S. For a change , try to answer the question.

Poverello,

My bet is that we will all be waiting for a very long time for Guatemala Legal aka Panama Legal to prove that they are a legitimate law firm or even have any lawyers "working" for them.

True enough, they refuse to answer any question! Now why do you suppose that is? To practice law in ANY country, even Guatemala, you have to have a license to do so and that license would be a matter of public record. There are no "secret" law firms, I became suspicious of this guy, while doing my due diligence, when I realized that they don't show up on any law firm data base ANYWHERE.

Seems pretty obvious to me what the truth is about this "organization".

I walked into my bank (in the USA) a few months ago, asked for a letter of reference and walked out the door a few minutes later with a "To Whom It May Concern" letter of reference from them. How about that!
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:58 PM
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Poverello,

My bet is that we will all be waiting for a very long time for Guatemala Legal aka Panama Legal to prove that they are a legitimate law firm or even have any lawyers "working" for them.

True enough, they refuse to answer any question! Now why do you suppose that is? To practice law in ANY country, even Guatemala, you have to have a license to do so and that license would be a matter of public record. There are no "secret" law firms, I became suspicious of this guy, while doing my due diligence, when I realized that they don't show up on any law firm data base ANYWHERE.

Seems pretty obvious to me what the truth is about this "organization".

I walked into my bank (in the USA) a few months ago, asked for a letter of reference and walked out the door a few minutes later with a "To Whom It May Concern" letter of reference from them. How about that!
Well, well, well. Just as I predicted we have been waiting quite a while now for panamalaw.org to respond to this simple request to merely provide ANY professional references or proof that they are anything other than a HUGH SCAM operation.

While I have been waiting, I have been surfing. Here are a few interesting links which seem to shed some light on the subject of "client" experiences with this "organization".

http://www.panamaforum.com/legal-iss...org-legit.html

http://www.businesspanama.com/panamablog/?p=33

Over to you Panama Legal, this is where you either don't even respond or post another one of your "these are just competitors trying to make us look bad" posts. Which by the way is getting pretty lame. I doesn't appear that you need any help in "looking bad"!
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:00 PM
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Regarding Panama Legal, Cutino International, LaLegal etc.
The negative poster is a criminal named Christopher Welty, see his wanted reward poster:
http://www.internationalattorney-etc.com/
also you can call for more information if site is attacked by him
Phone is in Guatemala country code 502-4590-4135


I am tracking Christopher Welty professionally. I now work in the private sector. Welty has a sordid history and a long list of victims who would like restitution and compensation for damages. There are numerous judgments against him for real estate fraud from private individuals. These cases are in the USA. His problems are in Florida and Georgia.

He is a criminal having masterminded a 38 million dollar mortgage fraud in Florida. See the court case here filed by the Florida Attorney General:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&hl=en&ct=clnk

Anyone can get on a forum and say anything. This is a government case not some wild story told by some new poster. It is not just a civil case the word felony is used several times in the case. The police in several countries are seeking this Christopher Welty. He is desperate resorting to extortion, blackmail, ddos attacks with blackmail, death threats, etc. He likes forums and ddos attacks. He used a woman as a front person in the large mortgage fraud named Bethann Schulinder (mentioned in the case) to do the mortgage frauds apparently a girlfriend and she is in a protection program due to him threatening to kill her after she turned into a witness against him. There is an alias Chad Lee in the case which is believed to be Welty. Welty is proficient at forging ID documents, tax returns, etc which can be seen by reading the case. Welty set up Schulinder to take the charges when the mortgage fraud exploded. She decided to testify against him. He took the money and ran leaving her, and then threatening to kill her after she decided to testify for leniency. He was seen with a woman impersonating Schulinder probably to try to implicate the real Schulinder in some crimes in Panama to get revenge. This included forging a power of attorney for her.

Welty is trying to get some funds from the law firms attempting to forge a clients name on documents which he will cannot authenticate and the client is not in communication with the law firm, just Welty. Apparently the client had some involvements with this Welty on different levels and Welty is after this person. The law firm saw through this scam and thus the issue arose when they tried to protect the clients interests. Welty has decided to torment these folks. The operative word is extortion and blackmail with ddos attacks sprinkled in. Welty goes to attorneys and promises them large commissions if they help with a recovery of money and since he lacks appropriate documentation you can imagine the type of attorney he attracts. We cannot find any attorney who was ever paid by him or who still represents him after they hear the facts. The attorneys he retains on commission generally do not know where he is living or located which again speaks to the quality of the lawyers that work with him.

It is suspected that he has a Panama Cedulla and Passport which were obtained through fraudulent means. It is also thought he possibly has Nicaraguan and Mexican Identity Documents. The documents will be in a different name. If he is in Panama he will be in the bars frequented by Americans, Canadians, Aussies and Brits. He will often pose as a retired navy pilot, investment counselor, or physician. He prefers to keep a woman around that he is using. He has had numerous wives and is possibly still married.

If his story was correct and he had freedom to travel, testify in court, etc. all he need do is hire an attorney in Guatemala and sue the law firm and press criminal charges. Guatemala is a democracy with 15 million people. Over 100 cruise ships stop there each year for tourism. It is a normal country in Latin America. That is the correct remedy that any normal person would follow if his story was true. The list of people damaged financially by Welty runs into the dozens and his lawsuits are stacking up and some of these people are not pleased with the way Welty ripped them off. He prefers to stalk and terrorize females having them followed, calling them on the phone with threats, emailing them etc. The operative words are stalking, extortion, blackmail, intimidation, sexual harassment, etc.

It is my job (I am in the private sector) to find this individual and any help would be appreciated and there is a $50,000 reward. Some of you pointed out that he is a new poster and jumps right in with slander. There is also a Guatemala Phone number you can call anonymously with tips or to negotiate terms of reward protecting your identity. I am mentioning the law firms since it is relevant to the post. Welty’s other enemies are not mentioned here but they can be determined from the Florida Attorney general Lawsuit although there are many more enemies and victims of his.

There is a possible Welty Scam website:
http://www.panamalawgroup.net/
We have suspicions of this belonging to Chris Welty. The scammer thinks he is going to learn the business and rip people off or perhaps gain their trust learn about their finances and blackmail them. Thus his interest in forums asking questions to learn the business, he makes friends who he tries to convert into victims. The address is bogus unless he has the whole 15th floor of that expensive building which would cost over $8,000 a month in rent which is doubtful for a business that does not answer their phone. I have been tracking his forum activity looking for leads. Some of you may have an IP address from him on an email or if you are the moderator from a post. This may be from a proxy service in that he prefers to always use proxies. You can contact the proxy service and ask them to split the reward with you if they reveal his true IP address that he logged in with. I can help you to negotiate with the proxy service.

The reference attorney given by Welty was looked up on the internet:

http://www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_13...ws_briefs.html
Extract follows:
Jácome comes back to find pink slip
Jaime Jácome, who was sent on vacation a few months back after the legislature and president passed a law that temporarily gives the Attorney General the power to hire those who hold his post as director of the Judicial Technical Police (PTJ), surely knew he wasn't getting his job back. That a couple of days before he had been called before prosecutors to be interrogated in a criminal investigation of allegations that he promoted unqualified people was just one hint. And when his vacation was over, he came to work to find the letter notifying him that he was fired. The firing might be challenged in court. The criminal case has more than anything to do with the qualifications of a Colombian academy and, although at a glance it does not look all that strong, promises to drag on for a long time.

And more:

http://www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_12...ws_briefs.html
extract follows:

PTJ detectives caught erasing files
On June 28 three PTJ detectives were arrested after having been caught in the act of erasing the criminal records from the files of people applying for weapons permits. The bust has prompted a prosecutors' investigation to see how widespread the practice of erasing criminal records may have been --- it was rumored that an Alabama rape suspect lived openly in Boquete for several years until being found out after an altercation with neighbors by having information about his case in the USA erased from INTERPOL files that the PTJ has, and it may be the reason why millionaire convicted child molester Ronald H. Kelly is still here more than a year after the PTJ said it was investigating his past, which is notorious in Canada. The case adds to the growing pressure on PTJ chief Jaime Jácome to resign. The PTJ is part of the Public Ministry rather than the Ministry of Government and Justice like the National Police. Its chief is appointed by the Supreme Court but under the supervision of the Attorney General.

We could not find a website for this attorney but we did find that he has a hotmail email address which makes us wonder.

Thank you for your cooperation and please do not let this criminal use your forum for further frauds. We cannot discuss more details since it could interfere with the apprehension of this person. I will post again when he is apprehended and in custody.
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Old 10-06-2009, 04:02 PM
PanamaLegal PanamaLegal is offline
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Well in our experience we have encountered this numerous times from many people. Mostly from USA and UK but also in other countries. If anyone doubts this go ask your bank for a reference letter and see how they handle it.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:22 PM
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Phoenix ATU and Povrello - I think you are both the same and promoting this business is your goal, see website below. It is a knock off of our name thus the bad mouthing with a complete lack of logic, you're not even clients.
http://www.panamalawgroup.net/
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:41 PM
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Regarding Christopher Welty

First where ever he is extradition should be possible. All that is needed is a location of his residence or place of business if he has such a thing but this is not a guy who likes to work. He probably frequents bars where he is likely to meet non-latinos. This would be him fishing for new marks and women to use. He may also be joining foreigner societies as well for the same reasons. People in the bar or expat society may know where he lives. Think of a good reason why you need to go to his house. You may be able to see the car he drives and get the tag number.

Regarding Welty saying the Florida Attorney General Lawsuit does not name him. This was their first draft. In order to show him deeply involved with the Florida Attorney General case see below two extracts of court cases from orange County Florida. See his name alongside Bethann Schuldiner and Chad Lee in these mortgage fraud foreclosure cases and they are named in the attorney general case. He is tied right in there and the case filed does use the word felony more than once. These plaintiffs and properties are involved with the case filed by the Florida Attorney General and also some additional frauds. We have a full list of extracts of his mortgage fraud cases on the website.

For your viewing pleasure we have posted just two court extracts so you can see the association of welty – countrywide then deutsche bank

Here is another link showing Chris Welty as the general contractor for Bethann Sculdiner in an official filing:

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/

Please note at this time this lengthy list of mortgage fraud cases is only from one county in Florida and this list is still incomplete. He has involvements in other counties in Florida and Georgia as well. See how he makes his case when he counter posted. He is the poor victim. He is slick as snot which explains why he was able to fraud 38 million dollars plus other frauds probably not yet in the public spotlight. And he says he is not wanted, come on. This boy is not wanted, he is in demand.

If you have any knowledge about this Welty please help us bring him to justice before he racks up more innocent victims. He so stated he intends to go into investment/offshore law business and how do you think that will end with his resume being what it is? There are other measures being implemented in the immediate future to locate this chap so please move quickly for reward purposes. Here is a page where people who saw these frauds happening in Florida posted so you can get an idea of the vermin these people are.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:57 PM
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It starts getting pretty murky and risky as soon as we look offshore. I like malaysia because there banking system is extremly stable and there is no chance they will cooperate with the IRS anytime soon. Plus holding companies have 0% Tax.
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