question to your God

[attacker3x]

Everything comes up for a reason and a valid reason right..

1.Then why do your God create everything?
does your God become so bored of his life that he needs to create everything for his fulfillment? does your God creates us for fun or for some reason that will benefit him?

2.Your God absolutely knows everything right?
then if he knows everything then why does he never knew that Satan one of his angel will become bad and will traitor him?


3.If he knows all things that will happen and nothing will never be hidden from him then why does let us do mistakes and pass to the heaven instantly without the judgment for what you have did when you are alive.
and if God really knows everything and nothing will kept hidden from him
judgment day is nonsense since he already knew who will be good and who will be bad.

4.Why does he never just put everything in right places in the 1st place so that nothing will be called bad.

5.Why does your God want us to worship him?
are we slave in his eyes and need to do everything he says even if this is not what we want.

[JackSmart]

Originally Posted by attacker3x

Everything comes up for a reason and a valid reason right..

1.Then why do your God create everything?

2.Your God absolutely knows everything right?
3.If he knows all things that will happen and nothing will never be hidden from him then why does let us do mistakes and pass to the heaven instantly without the judgment for what you have did when you are alive.
and if God really knows everything and nothing will kept hidden from him
judgment day is nonsense since he already knew who will be good and who will be bad.
4.Why does he never just put everything in right places in the 1st place so that nothing will be called bad.
5.Why does your God want us to worship him?
.

1. Because of the balance
2. I don't have My own..personal God. God is for everyone.
3. Because we have a choice! And we have to chose.
4. Because there is a heaven and we have to live in the right way if we want to get there.
5. Because He gave us live and we have to respect it!

[attacker3x]

i questioned Gods because according to bible that most Catholic use and obey Gods created us,and he knew everything,he knew all the things,he knew what we thinks and even the future of ours..

to wasi90lk:
if he knew everything then why does he never do something to eradicate Satan or the bad things that will lend us to evil before he creates us?
if we put in hell does it means that its because he wants us to be there as you says that everything he wants will be happen to us no matter we like it or not?

if he owns us all,and he wants us to obey him no matter what is that fair?
God wants us to be good but he knew we cannot be good 100% then why don't he make a move in the past before Satan or the king of all evil did a move against him.


to 1st post of jgold:
if God gave us free will then why does he will give us punishment if we do bad things in the 1st place he allowed us to do that?
he must face all the consequences after what he do also..
God wants us to follow his path but he don't do anything instead he allowed Satan to live and give temptations to us.

i don't believe in any God/i don't believe in any religions..for me its just a rules made by those smart people in the past so that they can ruled all those people specially those dumb..
i only believe in truth..anything that can prove and has a valid proof..i never believe in any myths or legends..
and for me Go is only a myth as long as their is no evidence that will lead to his real existence.i may believe in Christ as their is a evidence,but not as God's son instead a normal human like us and the difference is he is just so smart that he knew all things that most people don't know that time and he is born in a wrong time..


to knew22:

if he knew Satan would be bad why he did not eradicate Satan before he makes us before,that would prevent us to becoming bad..and if there is no source of bad there is no sense to let us learn the hard ways..he wants to be followed but don't act what is supposed to do.
God is selfish in a way that he wants to be worship but never valued his people.
i truly believe what people thinks about Gods is not true,its a legend that become almost real that comes to the point of we are completely deceive.


to 2nd post of jgold:
God cannot own you but did you come to church to pray?
do you worship God for what purpose?
do you worship him to get fame or just nothing?

[301ouncer]

Originally Posted by attacker3x

Everything comes up for a reason and a valid reason right..

1.Then why do your God create everything?
does your God become so bored of his life that he needs to create everything for his fulfillment? does your God creates us for fun or for some reason that will benefit him?

Hi. The attribut of boredom is a human attribute and not of the creator. He is unique and nothing like unto us. Therefore this attribut does not apply to the creator but only to us. Some other attributes of his Majistic is included in us and most are exclusive unto the creator.

He created mankind out of his mercy and love. To share in his majistic paradise. This is the ultimate gift to mankind. We put on earth to be tested. Do we follow his messangers or do we reject? Do we follow our own wimps and desires or his commandmants and the path of his messagners? We decide.

Will leave you with these Ayas (signs from the Quran) for you to ponder upon:

(12) "Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?"
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1575;***1604;***1605;***1572;***1605;***1606;***1608;***1606; , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #115)

(86) Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving;
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1575;***1604;***1605;***1604;***1603; , Al-Mulk, Chapter #67, Verse #2)

(10) We created not the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for a (mere) play.
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1575;***1604;***1571;***1606;***1576;***1610;***1575;***1569; , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #16)


Will come back later to answer your other point InshAllah.

[301ouncer]

Originally Posted by attacker3x

Everything comes up for a reason and a valid reason right..

2.Your God absolutely knows everything right?
then if he knows everything then why does he never knew that Satan one of his angel will become bad and will traitor him?.

When I say Allah then please do recognise that I am talking about the creator of Mankind, universe, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Mohammed, etc. Pbuh. I do not like to mention the name "god" as it is origin comes from the pagan gods of odin, etc.

Yes, one of his names is the all knowing. In our Quran we believe in both The divine book on earth and a heavenly book with the creator (Not an earthly book) called "Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuth (Book of Decrees)":

(10) Verily, We have created all things with Qadar (Divine Preordainments of all things before their creation as written in the Book of Decrees Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz).
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1575;***1604;***1602;***1605;***1585; , Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #49)

(7) Those who disbelieve say: "The Hour will not come to us." Say: "Yes, by my Lord, the All-Knower of the Unseen, it will come to you; not even the weight of an atom (or a small ant) or less than that or greater escapes His Knowledge in the heavens or in the earth but it is in a Clear Book (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz).
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1587;***1576;***1571; , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #3)

Therefore everything that spoken in the Quran like it has already passed for the Allah in this life we living. All the verses are past tense.

Satan was not an angle but a Jinn created from smokeless fire. Angles created from pure light. Angles do not make decisions but obey commands. Jinn and Man can make decisions. Therefore Allah created all of mankind and jinn and give them the ability to make decisions even though Allah would know which decision they took. But it comes down to which decisions they took in their lifespan. Allah knows both before and after which decision they took but it is down to Man and Jinn to decide which course of actions to take.

(16) Allah cursed him. And he [Shaitan (satan)] said: "I will take an appointed portion of your servents.
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1575;***1604;***1606;***1587;***1575;***1569; , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #118)

No one is becoming a traitor against Allah. They are only becoming traitors against themselves:

(8) Truly! Allah wrongs not mankind in aught; but mankind wrong themselves.
( ***1587;***1608;***1585;***1577; ***1610;***1608;***1606;***1587; , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #44)

[301ouncer]

Originally Posted by attacker3x

Everything comes up for a reason and a valid reason right..

3.If he knows all things that will happen and nothing will never be hidden from him then why does let us do mistakes and pass to the heaven instantly without the judgment for what you have did when you are alive.
and if God really knows everything and nothing will kept hidden from him
judgment day is nonsense since he already knew who will be good and who will be bad.

I think you refering to the salvation by the cruxificion and the attonement by the blood? As in the christian teachings.

In Islam Allah repeatedly addressed us that no man bears the salvation of another man. No created being takes the burden of another created being. You make the mistake. You took the decision. Your responsibility. To repent from such a mistake is upto the individul before their time is up. It is only Allah who forgives the Sin. Our creator statement after statement addressed us that as long as we return to him back in repentence Alone and do not repeat the mistake again, then he promised to forgive the mistakes.

I already touched on the nature and past tense speech of the Quran in the previous reply to your NO.2 question. The day judgement has already happened to us and Allah as he is the all knowing already knows what happened on the day of judgement.

Yes. Allah already know who is good and who is bad. BUT our Quran teach us that from one day to the next you could change the status of the person from good to bad or from bad to good. You always have that chance of changing before the time is up. No matter which decision the person takes Allah already knows the outcome.

So in reality day of judgement is not none-sense but the day of judgement already happened but is it upto me to change to the desired outcome.

[301ouncer]

Will answer point 4 and 5 tomorrow.

[anarchojoseph]

There is no god

[gomzy]

God is omnipresent. The Bhagavad Gita verse the few lines below when Krishna(the 8th avatar of the lord on earth) came on earth. There are still 427,000 years more for Him to reincarnate as Kalki.

The Appearance of Lord Kalki, the Avatar or incarnation of Godhead, is foretold in the Srimad Bhagavatam 12th Canto and described also in detail in the Brahmanda-purana. Therein it gives predictions as to where he will appear (the village name), who his parents will be, what his mission will be, and when he will appear.

It is described that he will appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The great cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present age of Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kuruksetra and the end of the regime of King Pariksit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished, till the advent of Lord Kalki. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The name of His father, Visnu Yasa, a learned brahmana, and the village Sambhala are also mentioned.


The mission of Kalki Avatara is to re-establish the religious principles, which have disappeared by the end of Kali Yuga, the iron age of hypocrisy and quarrel.


the words are mentioned in the Holy Gita by the lord as Krishna Avatar

yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijamy aham

It means

"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself."


The age of Kali-yuga is said to start from the year 3102 BC, after the disappearance of Lord Krishna. Lord Caitanya appeared 500 years ago, at which time the Golden Age within Kali-yuga is supposed to start and last another 10,000 years. As the Golden Age within of Kali-yuga comes to a close, the lower modes of material nature will become so strong that people will lose interest in spiritual topics. It is said that everyone will become godless. Whatever devotees, bhaktas, and sages are left on the planet will be so unique in character and peculiar compared with the rest of society that they will be ridiculed and hunted down in the cities for sport like animals. Thus, they will flee the cities to live underground in caves or high up in the mountains, or simply disengage from the earthly plane of existence. In this way, they will disappear from the face of the earth. That is the time when the dark influence of the age of Kali-yuga will become so dominant that its full influence will manifest without hindrance.

Finally, after 432,000 years from the beginning of the age of Kali, Lord Kalki will appear as the twenty-second incarnation of God. This is very similar to what some people call the second coming of Christ.



Rest Assured Guys, nothing will happened as Judgement day as well as nothing will happened to the Earth even in 2012. We are facing the Kali Yuga, the iron age of hypocrisy and quarrel and this will continue till the end of this kali yuga.

This kali yuga will end and at that time

"At the end of the Kali yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residents of the so-called Saints"
When the power of government is transferred to the hands of the ministers elected from the low born
When nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice,even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the Supreme Chastiser.

When the practices taught in the Vedas and institute of laws have nearly ceased.

When the non aryans who pose as kings begin devouring men who appear righteous and feed on human beings.

Lord Kalki, the lord of the universe will mount his swift white horse, Devadatta and his sword in hands

Travel over the earth exhibiting his 8 mystic opulences and 8 special qualities of godhead, displaying his unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed.

He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as Kings

[attacker3x]

Originally Posted by anarchojoseph

There is no god

does that mean GOD is directly not that good as what is publish in the bible..
if you cannot questioned everything and we are prohibited to know everything is that fair?
being unfair is injustice,being injustice is not good,thus also adding to my belief that we are living in a false belief..
according to religions we people is design accordingly to the image of God as because we are very special to him..
then if we are that really special then why does it feels like he treat us like pets..
imagine yourself limiting your dog to eat in dog bowl, not feeding in your same plate,hence you say that dog is very special to you.


to anarchojoseph:

yes i do now really think that what we move into a higher form of dimension after we die,as our soul is not affected of the law of gravity,but affected by the law of a much higher form of law "graveton"

i also not believe in the place of heaven and hell as there is no valid evidence to prove it.

there is a study that we are into parallel universe,and past,present and future is actually happening at the same time at the same place,but we never actually sense and feel it as we are only capable as of now to obey 4 dimensional rule..

nasa is currently building a science lab in i think canada for the purpose of studying the string theory,and even the reason why big bang is occured.what is space before the bigbang..
there is a study that bigbang happen because of the colliding of other universe and this collision is the source of the high energy that resulted to bigbang,but this is theory (more of theory as it is mathematically corrected but of course they want to physically correct it also)
it states that we are into the several lowest universe or space.


if this studies succeed then its another issue to debate on science and religion..
and since in the past religion has no valid answer to every discoveries of science but purely a bible facts that no one can claim to be true.