Iraqi Dinar investments

[Offshore-Wealth]

Originally Posted by obera

It's not looking good for Iraq.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...366064559.html

(but who needs Kissenger to tell you what common sense will tell you anyway?)

Interesting,

Iraq situation could never be solved by military actions, yet Bush and cronies were too stupid to understand this, just look back to his announcement when Saddam was caught, as if that was going to end conflict. lol

Kissinger is only repeating what all of us already know who have been following Iraq fiasco, so what he says is only repeating what many have already determined from the mess that was already made and waste of over 3,000 lives needlessly.

It would have been far more effective to simply spend the hundreds of billions by investing in the people first, as in give them an incentive not to blow themselves up in suicide attacks. It would have solved the majority of killings in months, not four years. Too bad nobody in whitehouse or military has any common sense. Most of the suicide attacks are done for money, not a specific cause, yet this was totally overlooked.

It is ashame it took our leaders four years to figure this out, so it is to be expected that people like Kissinger will jump on the economic bandwagon now, especially since the military bandwagon lost its wheels years ago. There are more heads rolling in gov. than we will ever know, so maybe they are finally going to get it right for a change. Put money in the hands of poor, and problem solved, simple.

There will always be sectarian hatred, violence and killing, but put money on the line and most will eventually learn to get along if they will lose their share of oil profits. Cut off whole families who are attached to violence and this problem will be over in a hearbeat and our soldiers can come home. Nothing will stop killing and violence more quickly than wealth to the people.

Good luck to all, Mike

[Visigoth]

You are obviously not trained in the military arts Mike.

April 5, 2007: With things quieting down in Baghdad, more forces are following the terrorist groups to their new bases in the suburbs. A major breakthrough in counter-terrorist operations is the ability to actually track down the people behind the specific terrorist bombings. People are more willing to talk, especially in the Sunni Arab community. There, the attitude is that the terror campaign has failed, the Shia and Kurds have an unassailable military edge, and that if the violence does not stop, the Sunni Arab community will be destroyed. Even Sunni Arabs in neighboring countries are telling the Iraqi Sunnis that resistance is futile. This has created an even more intense backlash against al Qaeda, for whom surrender is unthinkable. Al Qaeda has made a major commitment to success in Iraq. Failure here will be a major defeat. But failure is what is happening. Iraqi Sunni Arab tribes are actively going after al Qaeda groups, and now these Sunni Arab tribal militias are cooperating with the American and government security forces in tracking down the al Qaeda bomb factories, bomb builder and bomb delivery teams. But al Qaeda has a deep bench in Iraq, courtesy of Saddam's many henchmen. These guys are on death lists for the crimes they committed for Saddam. If vengeful kin don't get them, there's the prospect of prosecution for crimes against humanity. The world may have forgotten about these fellows, but many Iraqis have not. The only way out for Saddam's killers is to get back into power, or get amnesty. The government has been unable to promise a wide enough amnesty because, as a democracy, the majority of the population is against it. So it's a fight to the death, and the bad guys are losing.



The number of terrorist bombings is down, because of the losses the terrorists are suffering. So they have changed their strategy and gone for the kind of attacks that elicit the most public outrage (mass killings of civilians), In Tal Afar, one such bombing in a market place did trigger revenge killings. About a hundred people were killed in the bombing on March 29th. The media reported 152 dead, but these media reports are almost always exaggerations. The revenge attacks by Shia police and death squads left about 70 Sunni Arabs dead. Police and death squad members were arrested, but will probably not be prosecuted. However, in Iraqi terms, that is a major change in attitude. The death squads are no longer tolerated, even if some squad members are cops. A large local terrorist atrocity will generate a local spasm of revenge violence, but it no longer spreads and reverberates for weeks. This has been a major blow to the radical Shia political parties backed by Iran. These groups, and their Iranian backers, had hoped to exploit the desire for revenge to gather more popular support. But most Iraqis are tired of the violence. Saddam's victims still want revenge, but are more willing to wait for it. Saddams henchmen know this, that their crimes will never be forgotten, or forgiven.



Iraqi security forces have taken control of Maysan province, in the south. Iraq has 18 provinces, and one by one, control of security is being transferred from Coalition troops to Iraqi forces. Security, however, isn't the biggest problem in Iraq, corruption is. The concept of freely stealing public money is an ancient one in this part of the world. It took the West centuries of effort to get corruption under control, but in places like Iraq, the problem is still a major obstacle to effective government. A large minority of Iraqis accept that the corruption must stop if Iraq is to realize its full potential. But the anti-corruption groups are faced with death threats, and a constitution that protects the corrupt. By law, government ministers can block corruption investigations, and hundreds have been halted because the thief had a powerful friend (who was probably being paid for the favor). We're talking big money here. The anti-corruption organization (the Public Integrity Commission) estimates that $8 billion has been stolen in the past three years. Most of it does not go to foreign bank accounts and luxuries, but to support tribal, political and religious factions. Patronage, in effect. In Iraq, like anywhere else, power is calculated by the number, and devotion, of your followers. If you are a tribal leader, you have the respect, and some loyalty, from members of the tribe. But if you also have a large number of tribal members on your payroll, the loyalty is more intense. Saddam understood that, which was why, when he was in charge, the 20 percent of the population that supported him (mainly the Sunni Arab minority) got access to about 80 percent of the oil revenue. That stopped in early 2003, and that's a primary reason why the Sunni Arabs have continued to fight. As with most problems in the world, if you want to find the cause, follow the money.

[Offshore-Wealth]

Interesting,

Military arts, now there is an oxymoron for you. (g) I agree with your overview, but my point was we would have seen a lot faster results by paying off citizens not to become suicide bombers by paying them more than the terrorists were paying them. Heck, some were blowing themselves up for a measly $500. to go to their families.

As to current situation, they are like ****roaches, and simply moving out of Baghdad into surrounding towns, so still, the military actions are not solving problem, just deferring it out of Baghdad. Having wasted $300B on military might has done little to slow violence overall, giving it to the poor would have saved thousands of lives, both Iraqi and U.S. forces. This is indeed an economic war, always was, always will be, so that was my point, military actions, increased or not are still not the answer to end this conflict among sects.

Good luck to all, Mike

[igold]

I'm sure dinar iraq value will boom in next 3 or 5 years.
but i've got question here,
naybody have buy iraqi dinar and get the qenuine one in good price?
hope u can give me the link to website.
thanks

[mike963brown]

go to chase bank
or use
safedinar.com

99.999999999999999% is authentic iraqi dinar

[Visigoth]

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

Having wasted $300B on military might has done little to slow violence overall, giving it to the poor would have saved thousands of lives, both Iraqi and U.S. forces. This is indeed an economic war, always was, always will be, so that was my point, military actions, increased or not are still not the answer to end this conflict among sects.

Good luck to all, Mike

The 9-11 attack cost the US over 1 trillion in economic activity.
By changing the direction of the conflict we are spared that every month (that was their plan, a 9-11 every month until we folded); 300 Bills over 4 years is a deal. pre-emption works.

otoh I appreciate the (g) when you refer to "Military arts". But consider, you would have no safety or security if the police did not have guns.
Violence is the final argument. Violence works.
If you lose the conflict, your values and opinion does not matter. You have to accept whatever the victor imposes on you.

[Visigoth]

Warrior Ethos


"Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?" - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy, November 24, 1997
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there that will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, which is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up! Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- From sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

"Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"


"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke
Here is the point I like to emphasize; especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

[ecclesconium]

Excellent post Visigoth. I understand what you mean by your 'Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves' analogy, but I'm afraid you are off the mark.

What Offshore-Wealth was saying was that the situation in Iraq cannot be resolved just by sending more sheepdogs to Iraq to kill wolves (and sheeps in certain cases). Because of the poverty in Iraq at the moment, more sheeps are turning into wolves because of what the wolves are paying them.

When you have lots of sheeps turning into wolves constantly, sending more sheepdogs to fight the ever increasing number of wolves would prove too costly, and it certainly wouldn't solve the problem.

But if you could get more money into the hands of the sheeps than the wolves, then it is more unlikely that the sheeps will turn into wolves. Do you see the point here? Then the problem could be solved. The problem cannot be solved by brute force alone.

An anology we can use here is that you don't hire 100 men to tear down a large concrete building with hammers alone - you invest some money in machinery or dynamite to do the job of demolition. Hiring several thousand more men to tear down a multistorey concrete building like the Empire State Building with hammers alone would be a total waste of time and money, and sweat. A well experienced demolition team would do the job with a lot less effort and less time than several hundred thousand men with hammers.

The equal distribution of money and wealth and the eradication of poverty is the dynamite here. One of the reasons why more sheeps are turning into wolves is poverty and the unequal distribution of wealth, and wealth is the dynamite that will demolish the cause of the problem, not sheer military might.

[Offshore-Wealth]

Originally Posted by ecclesconium

Excellent post Visigoth. I understand what you mean by your 'Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves' analogy, but I'm afraid you are off the mark.

What Offshore-Wealth was saying was that the situation in Iraq cannot be resolved just by sending more sheepdogs to Iraq to kill wolves (and sheeps in certain cases). Because of the poverty in Iraq at the moment, more sheeps are turning into wolves because of what the wolves are paying them.

When you have lots of sheeps turning into wolves constantly, sending more sheepdogs to fight the ever increasing number of wolves would prove too costly, and it certainly wouldn't solve the problem.

But if you could get more money into the hands of the sheeps than the wolves, then it is more unlikely that the sheeps will turn into wolves. Do you see the point here? Then the problem could be solved. The problem cannot be solved by brute force alone.

An anology we can use here is that you don't hire 100 men to tear down a large concrete building with hammers alone - you invest some money in machinery or dynamite to do the job of demolition. Hiring several thousand more men to tear down a multistorey concrete building like the Empire State Building with hammers alone would be a total waste of time and money, and sweat. A well experienced demolition team would do the job with a lot less effort and less time than several hundred thousand men with hammers.

The equal distribution of money and wealth and the eradication of poverty is the dynamite here. One of the reasons why more sheeps are turning into wolves is poverty and the unequal distribution of wealth, and wealth is the dynamite that will demolish the cause of the problem, not sheer military might.

Exactly,

You hit the nail on the head, this is not a war where weapons will win, it is a war of economics, always was, always will be, and sooner or later these idiots behind this fiasco will figure it out. Poor people do not blow themselves up. Today I heard an insurgent enlisted a father, and I use that decription only so readers can understand the situation in real terms, he was enlisted to send his disabled son to blow himself up for money, yes, MONEY. A few dinar is all his sons life was worth, can you even imagine trying to fight an enemy who would blow themselves up, but imagine an enemy where those you are fighting would sacrifice their own children for money?

Sick, very sick, yet this is what we are dealing with in Iraq. Putting money into the hands of these poor soles is the only way to stem the violence and senseless killing, and all the weapons of war in the world will never solve this core issue, and yet no one figured this out until recently, simply amazing.

Good luck and health to all, Mike

I have been working in the middle east since 2003 post invasion of Iraq and I have learned that nothing is guaranteed and is changing by the week. War is big business and hope that the Iraqi government can start governing like they are suppose to and provide services to the Iraqi people which often it is very limited or non-existent.

Tomorrow members of the Iraqi cabinet will be leaving their posts who are aligned with the shiite militia groups mainly al-Sadr. I am sure it is going to be an interesting week.