[netriones]

The longevity of program is unpredictable.

[talkgoldtalks]

Originally Posted by netriones

The longevity of program is unpredictable.

Why don't you guy's invest in Predictable Program . However it's like advertising my business over here . I offer managed forex where you can earn up to 20% Profit per month. very safe investment.( don't expect more then that from me) However about loss, you lose all of your fund in HYIP if they scam you. With my managed forex service maximum loss will be 25%. check signature. or contact me on Yahoo chat

[bullskeptic]

[quote=polster]The problem with the theory on making a huge income per month is that autosurfs and HYIPS don’t have a history of lasting too long. It doesn’t matter if it’s only a 1% site like dandaves which has been around for about a year I think. Studio Traffic is a 1% site and look what’s happened with them now. Eventually as sites get too big and have terms of 1 year for upgrades to expire they eventually cant pay everyone as new growth will come to a point where it cannot meet demand of paying existing members.

Another problem with autosurfs is 99% are scams and NETIBA certification is not a legit way to invest. As we’ve seen NETIBA can be easily gotten by fake info like using a drop box and anonymous cell phone number. Look at GCI surf and see how they scammed people even though they got NETIBA.
QUOTE]

I'm sorry but I disagree with MOST of what you said. You are assuming too much. Look, the stock market is a gamble if you do not have a strategy. Autosurfs are no different. Sure there are a lot of people straight gambling on one or two programs, but as long as the net total of your wins are bigger than your losses you get positive growth. You don't even have to have positive growth every month, just most months.

ALSO, in hyips or autosurfs there is no such thing as a "buy and hold" strategy. You are never going to simply compound for a year or two in one program and now expect to cashout big every month. What you have to do is create a diversified portfolio of autosurfs that will allow the average investment to do a little more than break even. You are constantly replacing dead programs with new ones.

Let's look at the math of it. Let's say on average out of every 10 autosurfs you get in, 2 die and pay you nothing, for a complete loss of investment. Two more die but pay you back a portion of your investment. Two die and you break even on your investment. Two last long enough for you to double your money once, and two last long enough for you to double your money more than once. Assuming an equal investment in all, the two that die with a complete loss and the 2 that die after doubling your money once, cancel eachother. The 2 that die and break even on your investment are also a cancelation of themself. Which basically means that of 10 investments, the 2 that last long enough to double more than once and 2 that give you a portion back of your investment before dying are your profit It's that simple. Every month you look at the new autosurfs available, not out of a compulsion to get in on some arbitrary number, but generally looking for new solid ones to replace dead ones. If you don't have any dead ones this month, just wait - there will be.

So what's the catch? You need pick a good enough portfolio to mimic at least the numbers above or better. There must be positive growth. It's like swimming against a current. Your propulsion is the payments you receive and the new memberships you get into, the current is programs dying and membership levels expiring. As long as you swim faster than the current, there is net positive growth.

If you can not create positive growth in most months, you need to pick better programs or spread your money better. If you are absolutely sure you are in the cream fo the crop every month as well as not too heavily invested in one or the other, and you still can not turn a profit, then autosurfing as a whole may not be profitable. This is the main reason I switched from HYIPs to autosurfs - the "current" isn't as fast. It's much easier to turn a profit.

I believe this is one of the main differences between HYIPs and autosurfs. Investing in autosurfs is like picking the best stock companies and having a good diversified portfolio in a bull market. The DOW keeps going up, and over all you make money - it's easy. HYIPs are more like stock investing in a bear market - you have to pick individual winners.

[Doubt]

bullskeptic,

Agh what is the point of all that?

It would be MUCH wiser to simply invest into REAL investment funds where you can get anywhere from 5 to 30% return on average. Then you CAN actually afford to have them compounded and receive many times your money in one year. Not only that, but playing autosurfs like that will never really let you use any significant funds IMO either.

[bullskeptic]

Originally Posted by Doubt

bullskeptic,

Agh what is the point of all that?

It would be MUCH wiser to simply invest into REAL investment funds where you can get anywhere from 5 to 30% return on average. Then you CAN actually afford to have them compounded and receive many times your money in one year. Not only that, but playing autosurfs like that will never really let you use any significant funds IMO either.

What's the point? Try an average monthly NET profit of about 30%. No I'm not talking about the theoretical earnings of one program, I'm talking about all wins and all losses averaged together for a TOTAL NET growth of 20-30% a month average. That is what I am getting right now.

I know a lot of people think you shouldn't put a lot into autosurfs or HYIPs, unless you're already rich and $50,000 is risk capital to you. I know of at least a couple of people that started with very little and now have a hefty 6 figure autosurf portfolio. One major well known guy (won't mention who) has at least $250,000 spread into 20-40 autosurfs, and I KNOW he didn't start with 6 figures.

I guess I can't prove it with theory. Thirty percent a month may be easy to acheive with a few thousand, but I won't know if I can acheive it with hundreds of thousands. I know other people are at this very moment, but by the time I get there the autosurf "DOW" may be going down.

[poldo]

Originally Posted by polster

ALSO, in hyips or autosurfs there is no such thing as a "buy and hold" strategy. You are never going to simply compound for a year or two in one program and now expect to cashout big every month. What you have to do is create a diversified portfolio of autosurfs that will allow the average investment to do a little more than break even. You are constantly replacing dead programs with new ones.

.

Sorry I partially disagree you're wrong :-) and I can prove it
ok I agree autosurfers aren't a good thing for the long term

but lets just take Feederfund they started in 2002
well if you invested then $6000 and only compounded without making anymore contributions
in 24 months you would have $390,191.97 in your ff account
if you did that directly with FXIG it would be even more in fact FXIG has been around even longer than FF.. FXIG truly made millionaires out of
a bunch of lucky people.

This is a fact you can't forget.

I am happy with my pick I think it is on it's way to become the next FXIG
in fact i am confident I will retire early through them, the fact is even if they fail to last that long I would have only lost my initial $1500
of course I have to resist taking chunks out for unecessary things like plasma tv's new car etc..

[bullskeptic]

Originally Posted by poldo

Sorry I partially disagree you're wrong :-) and I can prove it
ok I agree autosurfers aren't a good thing for the long term

but lets just take Feederfund they started in 2002
well if you invested then $6000 and only compounded without making anymore contributions
in 24 months you would have $390,191.97 in your ff account
if you did that directly with FXIG it would be even more in fact FXIG has been around even longer than FF.. FXIG truly made millionaires out of
a bunch of lucky people.

This is a fact you can't forget.

I am happy with my pick I think it is on it's way to become the next FXIG
in fact i am confident I will retire early through them, the fact is even if they fail to last that long I would have only lost my initial $1500
of course I have to resist taking chunks out for unecessary things like plasma tv's new car etc..

First of all, I said "hyips and autosurfs" - I know we all talk about FF as a stable HYIP, but it's really not. I don't consider FF an HYIP, just an investment club, or "myip" (medium yeild...) I know it's a little strange becuase FXIG has HYIP written all over it. In fact, some have criticised or even left FF because of their addition of FXIG into their list of approved pooled programs. I talked about FF in a previous post in this thread, but I'll say it again...I don't care how much I trust a program. I don't care of my best friend or twin brother is a master forex trader. I never put all of my eggs into one basket.

[poldo]

Originally Posted by xrezax

Let's say you start with $6,000 and invest all the money you make
into different programs and different investments, in a year wouldnt you be
making $30,000+ a month, my plan is use my 12daily profit put it into dadndaves, and use the 12daily and dadndaves profit and put it into feederfund for a good year, then just start withdrawing.

I'm pretty sure there is people on here who are making these amounts...
Is there something I'm missing or it dam right possible to become a millionare off investing for a few years?

This is like my strategy though 30k a month is not possible because you don't know how long 12dp and DND are going to stay in business.
One loss and you're done..don't rely on 12dp or dnd for the long term.

I started with much less $1500 into 12dp, by Jan I should have around $6-7k in Udachu, that is going to grow quickly around $50k in 15 months
after that I think part of it will go in stocks the rest will stay and compound
but no more than $2000 in autosurfers.
I started investing in Udachu as soon as I got $1k and referrals are adding up quickly i might get to $5k faster than expected even without 12dp

[poldo]

Originally Posted by xrezax

Let's say you start with $6,000 and invest all the money you make
into different programs and different investments, in a year wouldnt you be
making $30,000+ a month, my plan is use my 12daily profit put it into dadndaves, and use the 12daily and dadndaves profit and put it into feederfund for a good year, then just start withdrawing.

I'm pretty sure there is people on here who are making these amounts...
Is there something I'm missing or it dam right possible to become a millionare off investing for a few years?

Let me add that if I had 6K to start I would not even consider 12dp,dnd or any autosurfer I would just put it straight into Udachu
maybe keep $1k for 12dp but that's it

[m3rn]

Just use autosurfmonitor.com, click on new and invest in todays' latest premium program, take the upgrades purchased amount and divide it by the number of members and invest that amount there, do that everyday and you will be making more than 10k monthly in a month. (Without losing)