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[mgorcl]

But, I think they are GONE !!
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[Jungle Hunter]

Originally Posted by punkyg

The usual non-responive one-liners as expected

I gave you a chance to actually make your case in an intelligent way, but apparently you can't do that. Seriously, you hurt your case more than you help it with your own posts.

I'll keep this one simple and direct so that it will be even more obvious when you try to misdirect and obfuscate things in your response.

The 1.7% is YOUR figure.

Sorry Chico, not my figure. It comes directly from GPP's own information as presented on their site:

From their page describing "The Plan:"

The next step towards the completion of our business plan is that our organization pledge the pension insurance contract of yours for 60% of the face value of $200,000 giving a liquid assets of $120,000 to proceed further (please see the accurate calculations below). Out of this amount will be paid the single premium payment of member's insurance policy, worth $41,000 (the anticipated average premium of 34 years old person).

From their FAQ:

Q: Why does the Trust Partner want to do this business? What is the whole point of it?

A: Our partner is a wealthy offshore trust with long-term objectives. As the anticipated average age of the program members is 34 years, it takes about the same time before the pension insurance policies matures and the benefit of â***8218;¬200,000 is paid to the Trust Partner.

So, USING THEIR OWN INFORMATION that gives us:

200,000 - 120,000 = 80,000 net profit after 34 years = effective annual rate of 1.513771496%.

This varies slightly from the 1.7% that I posted previously since I was assuming 30 years and giving them the benefit of the doubt as far as when payments were made (beginning of period/end of period) and rounding.


Calculating the same investment left in a simple money market @ 5.25%:

120,000 @ 5.25% compounded annually x 34 years = 683,491.


If you question these calculations, then please present your own and the basis. Depending on assumptions as above, you may get slightly different results but any way you calculate it they'll be in the same general range and the order of magnitude of the difference will be the same.

Again, note that in addition to being VASTLY greater, the second option represents a fully liquid investment equivalent to cash. It's not stuck in 100,000 individual insurance policies with a relatively limited market and that must be managed at some cost to them which further reduces the return. ANYTHING that can be done to further invest, optimize, leverage, or otherwise improve the return at any point in the term can be done equally well or better with the second option.

Given that the whole deal is dependent on buy-in by the trust partners to source the cash to make the rest of the plan work and cannot proceed without it, please explain how under any conceivable scenario GPP's plan represents a viable deal.

You're up...

[Jungle Hunter]

You seem to have difficulties reading posts accurately without making changes that suit you. Example....I posted that all "HYIPs are scams" and GPP "IS NOT A HYIP".

Nope... you posted (as I DIRECTLY quoted in my response):

Originally Posted by punkyg
OH my ....... show me one online or offline venture that doesn't do that and I;ll show you a liar.

So what you're saying now is that all of the other HYIP programs that at the time they were running you represented here as being legitmate were scams, but that GPP is "different." Well, that should make people feel soooo much more confident in your endorsement of GPP.

[punkyg]

Originally Posted by Jungle Hunter

Nope... you posted (as I DIRECTLY quoted in my response):

So what you're saying now is that all of the other HYIP programs that at the time they were running you represented here as being legitmate were scams,

I have never "represented" any HYIP the way YOU are trying to make it appear. I have expresed opinions on HYIPs that were possibly eventual scams and said that they should pay out for a decent length of time. Even HYIPs that eventually quit are not necessarly scams, but YOU can't process that.

but that GPP is "different."

I said....GPP is not a HYIP. As for most other RPPs....most are copy cats and likely scams.

Well, that should make people feel soooo much more confident in your endorsement of GPP.

Get this through that thick head of yours.....I DO OT AND HAVE NOT endorsed any program......I have expressed an opinion that I feel that a certain program should last a while and payout for a while...anything else is your addition to what I have said...AS USUAL.

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[mgorcl]

Good **** fight going on here.. he he he

[punkyg]

Originally Posted by mgorcl

Good **** fight going on here.. he he he

Actually there's no fight involved since I refuse to fight with unarmed people an JH is definitely unarmed.

[Jungle Hunter]

I have never "represented" any HYIP the way YOU are trying to make it appear. I have expresed opinions on HYIPs that were possibly eventual scams and said that they should pay out for a decent length of time. Even HYIPs that eventually quit are not necessarly scams, but YOU can't process that.

Just as you've done here in the case of GPP, far beyond just "speaking positively" you have posted specific information supporting and validating the the programs, the concept, past experience and discussions with insiders, etc. Even after it's apparent that they are a scam in many cases, you have defended them as being legitmate. Would you like me to post some specific examples? LOTS to choose from.

Get this through that thick head of yours.....I DO OT AND HAVE NOT endorsed any program......I have expressed an opinion that I feel that a certain program should last a while and payout for a while...anything else is your addition to what I have said...AS USUAL.

What you seem not to understand is that unlike the typical HYIP that pays as it goes, GPP cannot "last a while and payout for a while." It either completes the deal through the actual payout or not. Which brings us back to my earlier post regarding the fundamental viability of the deal that you conveniently ignored.

Once again:

- On one hand, the trust partners can invest $120K with GPP to make $80K or 1.5%.

- Alternately, they can make AT MINIMUM $683,491 in a much more liquid investment.

- At any point over the life of the investment, a dollar-equivalent value in the hands of the same secret elite investor has the same potential to work whatever super secret magic known only to them that they have available. The only difference is that on one hand they have 80,000 times that value to work with, on the other they have 683,491 times that same value to work with.


This is not my "opinion," rather hard, cold facts based on THEIR OWN INFORMATION. $80,000 versus $683,491 fully liquid with no risk.

How can GPP possibly sell this poor of a deal to ANY investor? If they can't, then their deal as proposed is fundamentally flawed and it can't proceed to pay anyone.

Wanna try again?

[punkyg]

Originally Posted by Jungle Hunter

Just as you've done here in the case of GPP, far beyond just "speaking positively" you have posted specific information supporting and validating the the programs, the concept, past experience and discussions with insiders, etc. Even after it's apparent that they are a scam in many cases, you have defended them as being legitmate. Would you like me to post some specific examples? LOTS to choose from.

You do just whatever tickles your warped mind.

What you seem not to understand is that unlike the typical HYIP that pays as it goes, GPP cannot "last a while and payout for a while." It either completes the deal through the actual payout or not. Which brings us back to my earlier post regarding the fundamental viability of the deal that you conveniently ignored.

Ho hummmmmmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Once again:

- On one hand, the trust partners can invest $120K with GPP to make $80K or 1.5%.

YOU don't have a clue...you're guessing again.

- Alternately, they can make AT MINIMUM $683,491 in a much more liquid investment.

Oh, and you're sure of that...lolol

- At any point over the life of the investment, a dollar-equivalent value in the hands of the same secret elite investor has the same potential to work whatever super secret magic known only to them that they have available. The only difference is that on one hand they have 80,000 times that value to work with, on the other they have 683,491 times that same value to work with.

More anal thinking.

This is not my "opinion," rather hard, cold facts based on THEIR OWN INFORMATION. $80,000 versus $683,491 fully liquid with no risk.

You're making a lot of assumptions here.

How can GPP possibly sell this poor of a deal to ANY investor? If they can't, then their deal as proposed is fundamentally flawed and it can't proceed to pay anyone.

Wanna try again?

All they need to do is invest in real estate.

[Jungle Hunter]

Well, your response demonstrates that you're not capable of anything more and should be "impressive" to everyone here.

All they need to do is invest in real estate.

OMG!!!

Whew... OK, I've finished laughing now... that was actually pretty d@mn funny.

Ummmm... It WAS a JOKE right? Please tell me that you do understand that whatever real estate investment they could make with $80,000, they could do over 8.5 times more with $683,491?

[mybestprograms]

Originally Posted by mgorcl

But, I think they are GONE !!
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No they are not gone. I'm reading the forum right now with new posts from stella.