Freelandopps Is Back.. (or not as the case may be...... )

[bumblebee]

I have to admit that I didn't feel very well with Sterling's recent post.

Why is he mentioning that "money" is necessary for every business? does it mean Flo2 is running short of it already?

THAT is the part that is making me feel uneasy. Too late since I've already invested this month.

And for some reason, with his posts I get the feeling that our moneyis not being invested with the grandfather group... If it was then there would be NO need of explanations and trying to get people to "believe" they are for real. I've started to think they need investors with money and that's why they are strugggling to loook honorable. Really, if there was a grandfather group then who cares how many people invest in the program!! who cares what people in other places would be saying!

[dandjboo]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

I have to admit that I didn't feel very well with Sterling's recent post.

Why is he mentioning that "money" is necessary for every business? does it mean Flo2 is running short of it already?

THAT is the part that is making me feel uneasy. Too late since I've already invested this month.

And for some reason, with his posts I get the feeling that our moneyis not being invested with the grandfather group... If it was then there would be NO need of explanations and trying to get people to "believe" they are for real. I've started to think they need investors with money and that's why they are strugggling to loook honorable. Really, if there was a grandfather group then who cares how many people invest in the program!! who cares what people in other places would be saying!

I wouldn't expect to be paid at all. Have you not been reading about all the people burned the first time -- including myself??????

[goldye]

Originally Posted by Bottoms

All HYIP's days are numbered, it's just the matter of figuring out which number is correct :-)

Excellent choice of words Bottoms! I treat them all the SAME...some I feel will last longer than others, but all of the will eventually DIE....

[Bottoms]

I wouldn't expect to be paid at all. Have you not been reading about all the people burned the first time -- including myself??????

Of course we heard, BUT did you not hear about all the members that made 10's of thousands of dollars before you got burned?

There is a huge difference between the member that joins in the beginning and makes a killing and the one that joins at the end and gets killed!

Then there is a huge difference between the member who joins and let's it ride and never takes a dime out and the member who takes thier original out ASAP and never loses a dime.

I know which one I am!

With over 1,000 spending members in 5 weeks they are not about to run any time soon, they have way more suckers to lure in before they run! Thier's is not a cash flow problem coming in I can assure you, it is a Processor / exchanger problem!

Good luck to all and as I have said and you have been told countless times, get your original out ASAP and take the scammers for all you can!

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

And for some reason, with his posts I get the feeling that our moneyis not being invested with the grandfather group... If it was then there would be NO need of explanations and trying to get people to "believe" they are for real. I've started to think they need investors with money and that's why they are strugggling to loook honorable. Really, if there was a grandfather group then who cares how many people invest in the program!! who cares what people in other places would be saying!

Yes, bumblebee, exactly. If there were a grandfather group, and if there were investments on real markets, creating real income, Sterling and Nolan would not need to be worrying about e-gold or the authorities or anything else.

They need ever increasing amounts of money because this is a ponzi - structured scheme. For the moment, although there are 4000 accounts registered, there are only a bit more than 1200 actual people with real money in it. [see number of `forum leaders`versus the number of `members`. One of the mods has stated that `forum leaders` is the real number of investors]. Thank goodness one of the bulldog mods is keeping track of the number of ``members``: on February 22, there were about 2800 ``members`` (read: the total number of accounts, including people who had signed up but not deposited, double or triple accounts belonging to the same person...) . It is now March 19th and with a ``membership`` of a little over 4000, that`s only an increase of about 1200 - not deposits, just account numbers. Not exactly the kind of exponential growth needed to feed a ponzi... Heavens, little autosurfs have more members and more active accounts than that in a couple of months. It also makes you wonder if the `craig` spam emails are not self-generated, to try to pull in more people.

The scheme encourages members to compound because that means you are not withdrawing hard cash from their reserves... keeping money IN the scheme is the name of the game. Don`t play it. Take your money out.

[Mr. Deltoid]

Originally Posted by georgemelchers

i can't guess ,please tell me ,

What the Hell are you blathering on about?

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

Mr Deltoid, georgemelchers is most likely the nick of someone trying to build up his post count so that he can look like a respected member in the Money Exchange forum. He has been deleted - 12 posts of meaningless, irrelevant stuff in about half an hour...

[wannabe-exFFinvestor]

Just been musing a bit on Sterling`s obvious cash flow problems, given the current number of actually paying people.

Let`s imagine that members A, B, C, D and E all venture $25 dollars in the 190%/28 day `plan` and wisely set their autocompounding to 0 so that they can take out all the money... Income: $125. Outgoing: $225. So Sterling needs 4 new members at $25 a shot, F, G, H and I , if he wants to pay the first 5 the $45 each they have `earned`. But those 4 new members need to be paid too, and since their money has already disappeared into the pockets of the first five, he needs to find $180 in new money to pay them: that`s another 7.2 members at $25 each: J, K, L , M, N, O and P.... To pay 9 members, he needs 16.2 members... and to pay back the 7.2 new members from the last bunch, he needs yet another 12.96 new members.... aaargh!

Now, nightmare of nightmares for Sterling. What happens if member Q is a high roller and puts in $6000 for 28 days. He needs to be paid $11,400 at the end of the month, which is 456 new little $25 dollar guys. Of course, the $6000 will initially solve a lot of Sterling`s headaches, but will then cause him to have to try to find $21660 in new spends to pay off the 456 little guys he used to pay off high roller Q... and then another $41154 to pay off the ones he used to pay off the ones he used to pay off high roller Q.

Unless high roller Q can be convinced to compound at 100% or even 50%.... good old Sterling gets to breathe...

Which is why the limited number of real, honest-to-goodness paying members is not exactly enough right now, LOL....and why tales are being spun about the joys of compounding... The current 1200 or so actually paying members [not the spurious number of accounts, bulldog!!!] would pay off 632 members once if everyone deposited $25 for 28 days at 190%.....but then the 570 or so members whose money went to the first 632 would have to bring in another 1083 if they themselves wanted to get paid...

If a member decides of his own free will not to withdraw money, that`s just money Sterling doesn`t have to find, and probably will NEVER have to find....

He`ll close up shop first. And blame it on the TG terrorists...

Maybe he had better find a real-life grandpa group to supplement his allowance?????

[mint123]

Also, the secluded semi enclosed members area does not look enticing to me. It's a bit of effort trying to get inside to invest -- that might also suggest the abating interest from potential investors. They should have just overhauled the whole look of the site - the bad nostalgia is still lingering there because of the look.

But then again, that's all secondary. The primary issues are more serious in nature.

[Lanelli]

Do you guys have any idea of how long this 'soap opera' continues? I mean one of both parties will get tired of this 'war' someday? Or in case of FLO, they may get caught one day.

I hope sooner then later.

-Dave