um there is nothing here!

[jiminoregon]

Is this over now...should I head out...or any questions for me...I'm happy to answer.

Ken...if you are Ken...lol PM me if you want any info...sorry I forgot where you were born...the only city reference I remember was Stockton...and that it was the armpit of America...but if you were born there...that I don't remember.

Jim

[fun&fortunes]

Originally Posted by awty

Wanna play with a 'wild hair' theory? Dec - egold suddenly 'down'. Turns out later, apparently investigators gathering information.

* Stormpay - DDOS, or 'information collection'? *
Possible?

If so, those records might just be making their way to credit cards, banks....
And for those who withdrew from, say, 12dp, and then asked for a 'chargeback'.....

Just wild hair theories...

The people who withdrew money from 12DP and then did a chargeback are greedy and wrong. It'll come back to them. It's called Karma and you can't run from it.

[homebiznews]

Originally Posted by awty

Another thing, if I may - Stormpay - if they're making good profits on funds moving in/out, getting a % on both ways - WHY would they kill a cash cow (12dp)? Their own choice, or -outside influence- of SOME type....
This appears to be a key question, at least for me.

Oh absolutely and I have posted several times saying just that! There has to be some force acting to make ANY businessman kill a cash cow.....

[awty]

I didn't see the egold deal either. However, I've anticipated that most, if not all, exchangers that were involved with pips, would be looked into at some point. Somebody puts the records, identification, and fund flows together from most of the payment processors, and - well - I'm sure there are some 'stories' there... Some, I'm guessing, might end up with some 'surprise visits', as some pips members apparently already have.

[awty]

Audience growing, lol... Maybe we shouldn't 'teach' too much, lol...

[jiminoregon]

Originally Posted by awty

Another thing, if I may - Stormpay - if they're making good profits on funds moving in/out, getting a % on both ways - WHY would they kill a cash cow (12dp)? Their own choice, or -outside influence- of SOME type....
This appears to be a key question, at least for me.

My take on it was the entrance of EMO...and her asking for a large withdrawal...can hardly wait to discover the real facts...my opinion is both are dirty...but again just an opinion!

Jim

[nano22]

No one knows it but the person who claimed it and they never showed any links to show that they were. I can tell you they are 0.00 accounts, doing Unauthorized chargebacks on their clients. Doing Charge back on accounts that are suspended etc... How do you know they are not raiding BC's and CC's? Are you affiliated with tjh by chance? Cause she/he knew info on an account I gave him/her. If you ain't associated with Sunkist, tjh, etc.. sorry

Originally Posted by Spitfire

That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about StormPay raiding bank accounts and credit cards. A lot of us think that is a total vicious rumor to make StormPay look bad.

[sean_in_cali]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Sean, you, Jim and Nano seems to be all over me for posting my experience with StormPay. StormPay is a ligit business. My experience dictates me that I want to find out the truth. But, I do agree with Jeff, and HBN that you all seemed to be playing mind games. Especially Jim accusing me of being Sunkist. I agreed with you that Jeff and Saxi was banned because I saw them as listed banned when I posted. But, I was not here when the others got banned, and someone was deleted nor was I here with that fake thread scam of puggy.

i also agree that SP is a legit company regardles of its past deeds and service records. But thi has nothgin to do with that fact that they are holding my money. they have broken the contract i paid for. they are in the wrong in my case.

they also represented themslevsunder false pretense by putting up netiba signs on their website as well as calling in thiord party verificatin service.

they also removed funds from my acct withotu permission and after having taken fees out

i dont mean to come across as being all over you. but SP has committed crimes to me. and they will have to pay

[jiminoregon]

Originally Posted by fun&fortunes

Lets be fair. The truth "AS WE KNOW IT" is that some of our funds were zero'd out without even a "complimentary" email telling us that everything should be ok, fine, or whatever. Speculation on ANYONE'S part, including yours, including mine, holds little weight with intelligent people. You can't tell people how to "feel" or how to "react". There are lots of lies. Lots of people with different names. Scare tactics.

Amen...A pox on both their houses!

Jim

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by awty

Wanna play with a 'wild hair' theory? Dec - egold suddenly 'down'. Turns out later, apparently investigators gathering information.

* Stormpay - DDOS, or 'information collection'? *
Possible?

If so, those records might just be making their way to credit cards, banks....
And for those who withdrew from, say, 12dp, and then asked for a 'chargeback'.....

Just wild hair theories...

We have to go further back than that. I found an article about EMO and IntGold going be taking to court. Somebody hacked into EMO's member base back in August. Federal law enforcement got involved. EMO accused IntGold have hacking and stolen the database. IntGold is sueing EMO for the false lies.

Next thing in December, IntGold went down because they got raided. Then next was EGold. Then StormPay and at the same time, MoneyBrookers and EMO seems to be freezing accounts. PayPal was freezing accounts last year as well. So, there is something with all these processors have in common as well.