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Re: Think you have to lose in a ponzi?? not anymore :)
Bomber I know exactly what you are saying but your looking at it simplisticly. In traditional ponzi, explosive growth is needed so it crashes and burns quickly. Here it is a self feeding ponzi therefore it will surivive as long as theprofit potential is high enough for people to want to join AND the loss % will be equal to what the previous round of investors were paid out, nothing more nothing less(except an administrative fee). So in theory this could go on for many generations as many people will reinvest in that time their money and many people will join keeping the profit% high for a long time despite the diminishing returns because it will be offset by people wanting to join more and more. When it gets to the point that no one wants to join anymore the loss % would be probably less then 10%. A traditional ponzi unlike this one requires exponential growth and MUST fail in fairly quickly and the losses will be VERY HIGH.
Re: Think you have to lose in a ponzi?? not anymore :)
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Originally Posted by scarednvestor
Bomber I know exactly what you are saying but your looking at it simplisticly. In traditional ponzi, explosive growth is needed so it crashes and burns quickly. Here it is a self feeding ponzi therefore it will surivive as long as theprofit potential is high enough for people to want to join AND the loss % will be equal to what the previous round of investors were paid out, nothing more nothing less(except an administrative fee). So in theory this could go on for many generations as many people will reinvest in that time their money and many people will join keeping the profit% high for a long time despite the diminishing returns because it will be offset by people wanting to join more and more. When it gets to the point that no one wants to join anymore the loss % would be probably less then 10%. A traditional ponzi unlike this one requires exponential growth and MUST fail in fairly quickly and the losses will be VERY HIGH.
You contradict yourself: "and many people will join keeping the profit% high for a long time despite the diminishing returns" How would you attract more people, if the returns kept decreasing?
The only way to attract more people is to keep the returns stable, which in consequence means exponential growth = classical ponzi.
You invented bull* and keep rambling about it. Stop philosophizing and think in numbers.
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Originally Posted by scarednvestor
Bomber I know exactly what you are saying but your looking at it simplisticly. In traditional ponzi, explosive growth is needed so it crashes and burns quickly. Here it is a self feeding ponzi therefore it will surivive as long as theprofit potential is high enough for people to want to join AND the loss % will be equal to what the previous round of investors were paid out, nothing more nothing less(except an administrative fee). So in theory this could go on for many generations as many people will reinvest in that time their money and many people will join keeping the profit% high for a long time despite the diminishing returns because it will be offset by people wanting to join more and more. When it gets to the point that no one wants to join anymore the loss % would be probably less then 10%. A traditional ponzi unlike this one requires exponential growth and MUST fail in fairly quickly and the losses will be VERY HIGH.
I am not looking at it simplisticly at all... I think it is you that is doing that... Like I have asked you a couple of times already now, please give me some numbers or show me some maths as to how you think it may work. I don't care what numbers you use, just please show us the merit of your idea by giving us some simple numbers... for example: every person who invests does so with $100. 100 people get involved to start with and 10 per day join forever after. Please show me how it works with those numbers. Remember that you said you don't need exponential growth for this to work so given that you should be able to show us how it works with these numbers.
Re: Think you have to lose in a ponzi?? not anymore :)
Bomber It would not need exponential growth for the investors to PROFIT, just consistent growth because its based on calculations of the growth in the previous cycle. More people join profits are better, less people less profits. If most of the people reinvest and a steady supply of new members come(NOT exponentially) then the profits should remain constant because reinvestments plus steady new members would be exponential, but if exponential growth didn't happen the profits would just slowly decrease, but NEVER hit zero, just get closer and closer. Essentially if people were willin to go in for a profit of 1% for example then that is all the losers would lose if everyone stooped joining the ponzi at once. The loss in the end will be equal to how low in profits people are willing to join. This ponzi feeds on itself instead of some arbitrary number.
Re: Think you have to lose in a ponzi?? not anymore :)
You have still not shown us any numbers... for the 4th time now... Please show me the maths of how it will work... use whatever numbers you want to explain it.
You can talk all you want but it is not making this idea any more feasible until you actually show us how it could possibly work.
Re: Think you have to lose in a ponzi?? not anymore :)
Bomber using your example if 100 people joined on the first day and it was 10 each day forever then the profit margin would be maybe 10% for the first 10% investors in the recovery plan if it was only one day long. Then on day 2 it would be 9.9%??? Its late so im just doing things very quickly. If you understood what i was saying you wouldn't need to ask me to run through it you could figure it out visually what im saying(if your a visual thinker). Of course it would be better if everything was done in like 1 month cycles instead of one day. That would make the ponzi probably give decent profits for many years assuming people would be attracted at a steady flow to the profits and if they weren't the losses would be very low.
Basically the losses in the end would be like a bad forex trade, and it would take many generations. But whos to say there wouldn't be reinvestments? That would lead to slight exponential growth making this last for many hundreds if not thousands of payment cycles i would think.
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